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[In Exile]

There were some people who got their Shepards killed at the end of Mass Effect 2 but that didn't stop Bioware from making Mass Effect 3 with Shepard as the main character. Shepard's death wasn't canon and the same is true for The Warden.

 

Bioware was clear that the Shepard dying scenario was more of an Easter egg than an ending, and would not be canon. There was no suggestion the US was not canon, or the equivalent of an Easter Egg for failing to get enough plot coupons. 

[Ranadiel Marius]

There were some people who got their Shepards killed at the end of Mass Effect 2 but that didn't stop Bioware from making Mass Effect 3 with Shepard as the main character. Shepard's death wasn't canon and the same is true for The Warden.

Know what else isn't canon? The Warden surviving. There is no canon for DA. Closest thing to a "canon" for DA is the default world state, and the Warden did the US in that.

[erilben]

There were some people who got their Shepards killed at the end of Mass Effect 2 but that didn't stop Bioware from making Mass Effect 3 with Shepard as the main character. Shepard's death wasn't canon and the same is true for The Warden.

 

For Shepard to die, you have to have less than 2 squad mate surviving the suicide mission. This isn't easy to do.

 

It was likely only done to prevent people from having less than 2 squad members when playing past ending. Because there is really no other good reason that Shepard had to die here. Mass Effect has always done weird things to stop you from getting in the position of having less than 2 squad mates. If killing Wrex in ME1 means you will drop below two squad members, it becomes impossible to kill Wrex.

 

Shepard dying just to protect people from having less than a full squad mate is not at all anything like choosing for the Warden to die in DAO.

[MrMrPendragon]

At this point, I don't even care anymore.

 

They could kill him off-screen, or put in him in some DLC as an NPC, or whatever.

[Valkyrja]

[robertthebard]

There were some people who got their Shepards killed at the end of Mass Effect 2 but that didn't stop Bioware from making Mass Effect 3 with Shepard as the main character. Shepard's death wasn't canon and the same is true for The Warden.

As others have pointed out, it's not even close to the same thing. We've been told I have no idea how many times, but I don't think it'd be too much of an exaggeration to say hundreds of times, that the Warden's story was done with Origins/Awakening. No where did anyone state that ME would have a different protag for 2, and again for 3. In fact, we were told, I believe, that ME was Shepard's story. So how are these the same thing?

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Don't listen to the Warden haters here. They are the vocal minority. The Warden has to be back. Only he can save this franchise from the downfall after DA:O.

 

Oh for crying out loud.

 

I don't hate the Warden, but here some facts for you:

1) Dragon Age is not about the Warden, Hawke, or The Inquisitor it's about the world of Thedas. 

 

2) The Warden's story is basically over, reguardless of the endings. The Warden ended the Blight that was her main role. Anything else that happened if she survived is a coda at best or an alternate timeline at worse.

 

3) It's fans like you that will make a lot of people hate the Warden because of your endless crying about her/him and make countless and pointless threads about how the Warden needs to be brought back. 

 

4) If you don't like the sequels to DA:O please stay in the DA:O forum because posts like this could be considered flamebait or trolling and don't offer anything to the discussion.   

[dsl08002]

As others have pointed out, it's not even close to the same thing. We've been told I have no idea how many times, but I don't think it'd be too much of an exaggeration to say hundreds of times, that the Warden's story was done with Origins/Awakening. No where did anyone state that ME would have a different protag for 2, and again for 3. In fact, we were told, I believe, that ME was Shepard's story. So how are these the same thing?

Because DA 2:s ending smashed and shattered the whole the "wardens story is over" into a thousend pieces. Biowares own ignorance brought the warden back unintentionally or intentionally.

[AresKeith]

Because DA 2:s ending smashed and shattered the whole the "wardens story is over" into a thousend pieces. Biowares own ignorance brought the warden back unintentionally or intentionally.

 

Just because Leliana and Cassandra was looking for the Warden (if alive) doesn't automatically mean the warden has more story 

[dsl08002]

Just because Leliana and Cassandra was looking for the Warden (if alive) doesn't automatically mean the warden has more story
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They had as original idea, ( they admitted that themself) to include the warden but changed their minds, so when people talked already before regarding the warden, bioware was looking for a way to include him/ her that way ignoring the story was over. The reason why they didn't implemented the warden was because it would be difficult as an NPC and not because of the story

And in DAI the warden went on a search for a " cure " that can remove the callng from all wardens. That is a very big deal.

So yes more story. And what i have scurried is that people regardless of having the warden back or not wants to see that resolved. So yes automatically bioware has shattered the "wardens story is over" by bringing him back with this very importent quest.

[AH37]

I think people will forget about the warden if the protagonists are better tbh. I could relate to the warden in my decision and if I want to roleplay multiple personalities; it is achievable. Because silent?

 

Hawke on the other hand, is limited to 3; it's a bit limited but it worked because those 3 can define the main personality of the character.

 

The inquisitor on the other hand has a personality of a potato, imo. Tried to relate to my 3 characters but couldn't. Perhaps it's one of the reasons why the warden threads won't stop?

[Aren]

If your Shepard die in Mass effect 2  then simply don't buy Mass effect 3 and your choice will be respected.

Death is usually a joke in the DA franchise,death via US however is final(mm well maybe not......DAA)

[Ariella]

Just because Leliana and Cassandra was looking for the Warden (if alive) doesn't automatically mean the warden has more story[/ quote]They had as original idea, ( they admitted that themself) to include the warden but changed their minds, so when people talked already before regarding the warden, bioware was looking for a way to include him/ her that way ignoring the story was over. The reason why they didn't implemented the warden was because it would be difficult as an NPC and not because of the storyAnd in DAI the warden went on a search for a " cure " that can remove the callng from all wardens. That is a very big deal.So yes more story. And what i have scurried is that people regardless of having the warden back or not wants to see that resolved. So yes automatically bioware has shattered the "wardens story is over" by bringing him back with this very importent quest.

Where did they say this? We've been told over and over that the Warden's story ended.

Ending the Calling isn't that important. It was a way to acknowledge that s/he was still out there for those who took the dark ritual path. There is a reason why it is war table.

[dsl08002]

Where did they say this? We've been told over and over that the Warden's story ended.

Ending the Calling isn't that important. It was a way to acknowledge that s/he was still out there for those who took the dark ritual path. There is a reason why it is war table.

That would be saying that a cure for Cancer isn't important, or ebola, or alzaimers, claiming otherwise is just ridicolous

and search the thread I think it was "warden in the trailer isn't your warden" (this was 9 months ago) or in in another thread from that time, hard to keep track, there so many.

[Ariella]

That would be saying that a cure for Cancer isn't important, or ebola, or alzaimers, claiming otherwise is just ridicolousand search the thread I think it was "warden in the trailer isn't your warden" (this was 9 months ago) or in in another thread from that time, hard to keep track.

It wasn't. It was Alistair. As for curing the Calling being equal to Cancer cure, what ? The Calling isn't an illness that strikes just anyone. A very small percentage of the population is afflicted with it. Unlike the illnesses you mention.

If it was hugely important to the plot, they wouldn't have stuck it in the war table missions.

[Aren]

Where did they say this? We've been told over and over that the Warden's story ended.

Ending the Calling isn't that important. It was a way to acknowledge that s/he was still out there for those who took the dark ritual path. There is a reason why it is war table.

Redemption path,Warden commander path, DR is not the only way.

Ending the calling is extremely irrelevant i agree,especially when good lad like Avernus have already found a way to use the taint to prolong your life for centuries,if someone can find the cure is an expert warden/mage like him to which i would give the nobel prize for the greatest discovery of this age(nobel prize even to the Architect for the disciples).

The truth is that the Warden is simply watered down by the fact that he/she is not mandatory anymore like the OGB,both of them can cease to exist for the mere possibility of an US,this speak more of an US canon rather than an one with a survived warden,unless someone is content that their survived character is just reduced to be a codex and nothing more.

[dsl08002]

It wasn't. It was Alistair. As for curing the Calling being equal to Cancer cure, what ? The Calling isn't an illness that strikes just anyone. A very small percentage of the population is afflicted with it. Unlike the illnesses you mention.

If it was hugely important to the plot, they wouldn't have stuck it in the war table missions.

so what you are saying is that because it strikes a certain people it isn't of notice then? just let them die out.

and don't speak to soon we arnt done yet with the story DLC:s

[Ariella]

so what you are saying is that because it strikes a certain people it isn't of notice then? just let them die out.and don't speak to soon we arnt done yet with the story DLC:s

They've said straight out it is over, and doing a story dlc about a character who's dead in a good portion of the fanbase's playthroughs is a great way to tick people off.

And you're the one who compared it to cancer, not me. And it doesn't 'strike'. You drink, you gain a reprieve from the taint which also allows you to sense darkspawn, and kill the archdemon. This isn't some random wayward event.

And no, storywise curing the Calling doesn't seem to me as important as any number of other plot threads hanging out there like Mythal and Solas, or what really happened to the Black City... And it's especially not important enough to alienate those who took the US.

[robertthebard]

Because DA 2:s ending smashed and shattered the whole the "wardens story is over" into a thousend pieces. Biowares own ignorance brought the warden back unintentionally or intentionally.

No, it didn't. Because if you took the US, they're looking for the Commander of the Grey, which is not the HoF. Again, however, this is why people are sick of "bring back the Warden". Once again, people want to throw everyone that didn't do what they did under a bus. I swear, I'm going to start "Weed out the riff raff Wednesday", and start making a new thread every week, or more if I'm bored, about how the US should be canon, and just throw everyone that didn't want to take it under the bus.

I was content to leave those people alone, not everyone has the intestinal fortitude required to know that an action is going to kill off their character and take it. However, as we can see, there are some people that can't respect other player's choices, and insist that the only choices that matter are their own. What did DG say? Oh yeah, Suck it up Princess, you're not the only person who played the game, and the way you chose to end it wasn't the only offered option. The very fact that you could choose to kill off your character should have been a clue. It wasn't, perhaps it was too subtle for some players to pick up on it.

[Cobra's_back]

Because DA 2:s ending smashed and shattered the whole the "wardens story is over" into a thousend pieces. Biowares own ignorance brought the warden back unintentionally or intentionally.

 

 

I'll second this. The game has left a big question mark on the wardens. At least a DLC can help explain what will happen to them. We know there are still Darkspawn and two old gods left.

[Ariella]

@robertthebard you are my new hero.

I'll second this. The game has left a big question mark on the wardens. At least a DLC can help explain what will happen to them. We know there are still Darkspawn and two old gods left.

You don't need to have the Warden to deal with the Grey Wardens, since we already have a plot hook. And I doubt we're going to see another archdemon any time soon. As for darkspawn. Normal people can fight darkspawn, just the risks are bigger.

[Cobra's_back]

No, it didn't. Because if you took the US, they're looking for the Commander of the Grey, which is not the HoF. Again, however, this is why people are sick of "bring back the Warden". Once again, people want to throw everyone that didn't do what they did under a bus. I swear, I'm going to start "Weed out the riff raff Wednesday", and start making a new thread every week, or more if I'm bored, about how the US should be canon, and just throw everyone that didn't want to take it under the bus.

I was content to leave those people alone, not everyone has the intestinal fortitude required to know that an action is going to kill off their character and take it. However, as we can see, there are some people that can't respect other player's choices, and insist that the only choices that matter are their own. What did DG say? Oh yeah, Suck it up Princess, you're not the only person who played the game, and the way you chose to end it wasn't the only offered option. The very fact that you could choose to kill off your character should have been a clue. It wasn't, perhaps it was too subtle for some players to pick up on it.

 

 

I didn't read that from his comment. Personally, I killed my warden in DAO. The ending concerning the wardens in DAI is not clear at all. It seems they have some issues to address. So they could fix it with a DLC, side quest, book or codex entries. 

 

It still is an organization with a purpose.

[Cobra's_back]

@robertthebard you are my new hero.


You don't need to have the Warden to deal with the Grey Wardens, since we already have a plot hook. And I doubt we're going to see another archdemon any time soon. As for darkspawn. Normal people can fight darkspawn, just the risks are bigger.

 

Interesting. Can you explain more about plot hook? My background is engineering. I'm more problem/solution. I would like to know more about your thoughts please.

[Ariella]

I didn't read that from his comment. Personally, I killed my warden in DAO. The ending concerning the wardens in DAI is not clear at all. It seems they have some issues to address. So they could fix it with a DLC, side quest, book or codex entries. 
 
It still is an organization with a purpose.

No one is arguing that the Wardens are done, and I expect one of the story dlc is going to cover Weisshaupt, but the Hero of Ferelden needs to be left alone.

[Ariella]

Interesting. Can you explain more about plot hook? My background is engineering. I'm more problem/solution. I would like to know more about your thoughts please.

The plot hook into the Wardens is Hawke/Stroud/Alistair/Loghaine going there and then going quiet. That's the Inquisitor's connection point to the Wardens. I'm not sure what the ending for banishing the gw from Orlais is, but keeping them as allies also causes a rift between the Order in the south and Weisshaupt fortress. Which is another potential hook.

In short there are already logical links to this conflict with the Wardens set up in dai without using the Hero.