I love that the Inquisitor has the option to show that they totally get it, and not just be all, "Huh wut? What are you a man or a woman????
My Inquisitor said: "So how long have you known?"
To which Krem replied: "I've always known."
That was great.
Krem is biologically female under the armour however he identifies as male.
He's a man. He just so happens to also have a vagina. Continuing to say he's female just because of his biology is not only insensitive but exceedingly ignorant. Gender is linked to much more than chromosomal makeup. Unless you specify that the only way he is female is biologically you are undermining his identity as a man.
Granted he is a video game character but reading some of the responses here is telling for how society truly views those who were not assigned the correct gender by mother nature.
I love that the Inquisitor has the option to show that they totally get it, and not just be all, "Huh wut? What are you a man or a woman????
My Inquisitor said: "So how long have you known?"
To which Krem replied: "I've always known."
That was great.
I waiting to ask Krem about it one-on-one because I didn't think it would be appropriate to play 20-questions about his gender-identity in front of the rest of the chargers.
sandalisthemaker, on 26 Nov 2014 - 8:06 PM, said:I love that the Inquisitor has the option to show that they totally get it, and not just be all, "Huh wut? What are you a man or a woman????
My Inquisitor said: "So how long have you known?"
To which Krem replied: "I've always known."
That was great.
I preferred the seriously confused about it options, They were so hilarious. Same thing happened when Dorian revealed he was gay and my Inquisitor was all like "wait you don't like girls? How is that possible?" 
Krem is biologically female under the armour however he identifies as male.
He's a man. He just so happens to also have a vagina. Continuing to say he's female just because of his biology is not only insensitive but exceedingly ignorant. Gender is linked to much more than chromosomal makeup. Unless you specify that the only way he is female is biologically you are undermining his identity as a man.
Granted he is a video game character but reading some of the responses here is telling for how society truly views those who were not assigned the correct gender by mother nature.
But biologically he is a female, why is the truth offensive? I consider him a man, but he can never be a male, this is due to biological factors he had no control over, but him not liking it doesn't make it not so.
He's a man. He just so happens to also have a vagina. Continuing to say he's female just because of his biology is not only insensitive but exceedingly ignorant. Gender is linked to much more than chromosomal makeup. Unless you specify that the only way he is female is biologically you are undermining his identity as a man.
And, frankly, even clarifying to say that he's actually biologically a female just seems needlessly antagonistic. Who doesn't know that? Why feel the need to harp on it. It just seems like it's a nice little loophole that people can use to needle trans people and then fall back on, "Well, I'm only speaking biologically, so what's the problem with that?" I just don't see the point.
And, frankly, even clarifying to say that he's actually biologically a female just seems needlessly antagonistic. Who doesn't know that? Why feel the need to harp on it. It just seems like it's a nice little loophole that people can use to needle trans people and then fall back on, "Well, I'm only speaking biologically, so what's the problem with that?" I just don't see the point.
The entire point if this thread was asking what Krem is. The op asked and someone responded, they were wrong so I corrected them. You just wan't to be offended.
The entire point if this thread was asking what Krem is. The op asked and someone responded, they were wrong so I corrected them. You just wan't to be offended.
Unless you are planning to either have sexual relations with Krem or be Krem's doctor, Krem's biological sex does not matter. If you insisted on calling him a her after being informed of his preferred pronoun, that would be very rude of you, and I would not bet on you in a fight versus Krem.
Unless you are planning to either have sexual relations with Krem or be Krem's doctor, Krem's biological sex does not matter. If you insisted on calling him a her after being informed of his preferred pronoun, that would be very rude of you, and I would not bet on you in a fight versus Krem.
Where exactly in this thread have I referred to Krem as a "her"?
@Daveliam: I disagree - in a society today that prides itself on fact and literalism... I would find it wildly hypocritical for, example, someone to deride someone for the belief in a God or Santa... but demand respect for someone who wants to identify as male when they are biologically female. I am not saying that this is you - I don't know you - but I can understand how it can exist in our society without resorting to prejudice and bigotry.
Regardless of what that person thinks - to everyone else who does not identify with them, they are playing make believe. There is nothing, other than the word of the person, that they are "male".
"I" am fine with this - as I believe fact based literalists are the lowest form of intellect. Abstract belief based intellect is far higher to me - leaving someone who identifies as being a man, when factually and literally a woman, totally free to be whomever they wish in my mind.
There are people who identify with being lizards and cats - so much so that they get facial reconstruction - do we also embrace them? We must of course - since the realm of "identity" is largely make belief.
Note: I cannot control what the term "make believe" means to others - but it is in no way derogatory nor demeaning in my usage.
Frankly, I don't understand how anyone can be offended. Krem is a person who identifies as a man, but has female sexual organs. Where's the offensive part?
Mother nature doesn't "assign wrong genders", people are what they are. You can't choose whether you feel comfortable with your biological gender or not, you either do or don't. Like sexual orientation. The only thing your biological gender indicates are your sexual organs, hormonal levels and role in eventual breeding. Everything else is up to you.
You can choose whether to actually conform to the (debatable) general characteristics assigned to your gender or not. But I definitely disagree with the notion that you can either "live like a man" or "live like a woman". There is no such thing. You prefer to be identified as a man, whatever you biology is? I'll use male pronouns and do that, sure. But that doesn't change the fact that you have a vagina, and there's nothing offensive or shameful about admitting it. It's just a body. Having female sexual organs has very little to do with your personality, attitude, ideals and goals. It works the other way around too.
Well, to be fair, there's probably alot of other things that would complicate this. Being with Krem would mean that you were in a gay relationship. He fundamentally does not identify as a female. He acts and views himself as a male. Krem, if he were to be with you, would be identifying as a gay male specifically. There are a lot of nuances regarding gender in relationships where one partner is trans.
When it all works out, though, it's truly brilliant. My husband and I have a 'couple-friend' where one partner is a bisexual transman (like Krem) and the other is a bisexual woman. Gender and sexuality are just such a non-issue for their own worldviews that it's amazing to me to watch. It then reminds me how hung up on gender identity I can be, even as a gay guy.
I love that characters like Krem can introduce conversations like this to the community.
I suppose he would be identifying as a gay man (as someone who views themselves as a man and is attracted to people with male genitalia). I would still consider myself heterosexual for being attracted to him as he is female. I don't want to personally consider him as "acting as a male" because, personally, I don't think such a definition should exist. He's acting as would stereotypically be seen as "masculine", but really I'd call it just another set of behaviors. I want to see that as being unrelated to sex, but I get that most people see it as being directly related. I totally understand that he views himself as a man, but that doesn't make him male (biologically). He would still be a female who likes males (even if he's a man… if that makes any sense). If two females see themselves as men and are in relationship, I guess they'd be gay men (albeit gay men who like being with people who have female genitalia? I'm quite confused at this point), but then what makes them different than two butch lesbians in a relationship, but nouns/pronouns? I'd say nothing, but either way I'd respect their wishes with regards to how they wish to be viewed. Idk, maybe it's more nuanced than I think.
It definitely is nice to hear of your friends being in a happy relationship that falls outside the norms of society. I don't like the idea of gender identity at all, although, I do fit the "masculine" stereotype, I guess. Anyways, I have male genitalia and feel attracted to people with female genitalia (and therefore consider myself heterosexual), but I like them more when they dress in a stereotypically "masculine" or "butch" manner: that is to say suits & ties, baggy jeans, t-shirts, hoodies, sneakers, boots, short hair etc. I know women like that are rare, but I can dream that I'll find someone like that that I click with.
It's probably best that I avoid such relations, but that doesn't stop me from admiring the appearance of some pre-op f2m trans-people. Anyways, I'm just going to say I respect these people and want to respect how they wish to be viewed, but I think it'd get too confusing were I to actually get involved with someone of this type.
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I admit I don't like the idea that "gender" means nothing but "gender is whatever I say it is." This is too simplistic of an understanding of it for me. (I have similar reservations about "orientation" too which is complicated and not something I think can be summed up in nice, tidy labels).
However, on a practical level, I can call someone "he" or "she" or whatever they want to be called out of respect for them as a person. There's no need to be rude or publicly dissect everybody's identity constructions for the sake of philosophy.
No he is not. To be male you need an XY chromosome pairing. He can be what culture and society deems to be a man, but he can never be a male on a biological level.
Female as a cultural adjective =/= female as a scientific noun. The same word can mean different things in different contexts, that's part of what makes language what it is.
Hey if Krem wants to be an Otherkin is his business and I for one won't spend 10 posts saying "but.. but.. he doesn't have a dragon's tail".
People are so rude sometimes!
Hey if Krem wants to be an Otherkin is his business and I for one won't spend 10 posts saying "but.. but.. he doesn't have a dragon's tail".
People are so rude sometimes!
I don't really care about being rude, we live in a society that gets offended by everything so it's par the course.
I could solve world hunger and someone would still get offended.
I always knew that he (she?) is a woman. Same thing with Mary in Black Flag, the voice acting just gives it away from the first time you meet them.
I loved Krem, he was a nice surprise and Hale did an excellent job with the voice work.
I think a lot of the problems everyone is having in this thread, and in the world in general, are language based. English just used to few words too mean too many things. As said up thread, sex and gender are not the same thing, but they are used interchangeably.
Sex: Krem is female
Gender: Krem is male
Awesome: Krem just is.
Lets move on.
Krem is transmale.
I feel like some people here are confusing him as:
Crossdressing woman, who is still woman but dresses as man (sometimes).
Woman who acts/looks masculine which means tomboy (or other terms you want to use).
Krem isn't either of those, he's man. Not woman who acts like a man or woman who dresses like a man.
he's fakatoko'ua
knew he was a chick straight away
Does Krem have a purpose in the game other than being the transgender character? I'm only 40 something hours in but I feel like he is just like the pilot from ME3, there just so Bioware can say "look what we put in our game, praise us for it". Is he important to the story at all? I don't mind at all that there is a trans character in game, I'm just hoping there is more of a point to him other than to prove how open minded bioware is. So far it seems like they did such a poor job including him into the game world.
Krem is transmale.
I feel like some people here are confusing him as:
Crossdressing woman, who is still woman but dresses as man (sometimes).
Woman who acts/looks masculine which means tomboy (or other terms you want to use).
Krem isn't either of those, he's man. Not woman who acts like a man or woman who dresses like a man.
As much sense as that may make in theory, fundamentally there is minimal difference between those except what they wish to be referred to as. You can't tell their gender identity/which pronouns to use, without asking the person or having them tell you what they'd prefer. I'd argue even if they were dressed in stereotypical "feminine" clothing, they could still technically see themselves as a man or want to be called "he". If someone tells me they'd like to be called by a different pronoun, that's alright with me. There is so much variation in the world that categorizing people can become very confusing to me and mostly I'd just like to say everyone should be respected and categories are sometimes just insufficient.
Krem is whoever he/she wants to be.
Since he specifically said he identifies himself as a man, he is a man.
Your definition of what is meant to be man (e.g. can only be someone with male genitialia) does not matter to him. It shouldn't anyway.
I feel fairly sure that Gwendoline Christie was originally going to voice Krem, but it didn't work out for whatever reason. Maybe her voice wasn't androgynous enough.
You can tell by the tweets she made on the subject. #hornsup , etc.
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