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#51
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Ultimately I will miss them. Not because they were half naked, but because in previous titles they lead to either...

 

A: Difficult battles. Such as the battle for Connor where you only get to control a single person.

 

B. Interesting and creepy moral choices. Such as the young girl with the possessed cat.

 

They could have been presented differently or they could have come up with a way to customize them to the tastes of individual players. Something that you encounter that is initially shapeless or not visible, that adapts to your desires through a conversation.

 

Lost a loved one? Demon presents itself as them.

Crave power? Demon presents itself as someone or something that can grant it.

Crave wealth? Demon presents itself as a King or a Noblewoman.

and yes even room for the traditional Desire Demon perhaps both a male and female version being available.

 

I am sure many other examples could be made. Ultimately it would have taken a fair amount of time to come up with something like this. So much time that it would likely only be present for a single quest, but that would have been sufficent in my eyes. When dealing with other NPCs in that game that have been charmed by them you could have them represented in any number of ways, seeing them as the victim sees them.


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*snip*

 

Hey, put this into the spoiler.

 

Edit: Thanks!


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The OP's point is that there aren't Desire Demons in the game.

 

Given the predisposition of such creatures one has to ask, how do you know?



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Ultimately I will miss them. Not because they were half naked, but because in previous titles they lead to either...

 

A: Difficult battles. Such as the battle for Connor where you only get to control a single person.

 

B. Interesting and creepy moral choices. Such as the young girl with the possessed cat.

 

They could have been presented differently or they could have come up with a way to customize them to the tastes of individual players. Something that you encounter that is initially shapeless or not visible, that adapts to your desires through a conversation.

 

Lost a loved one? Demon presents itself as them.

Crave power? Demon presents itself as someone or something that can grant it.

Crave wealth? Demon presents itself as a King or a Noblewoman.

and yes even room for the traditional Desire Demon perhaps both a male and female version being available.

Agreed on all points. The bold especially has a lot of potential for an interesting encounter. I've always liked the idea of the desire demon - it's the most classic "deal with the devil" type - but I've thrown serious side eye at the execution, so it would be nice if they could be brought back with a bit of maturity and nuance as opposed to...I don't know, I'm trying to think of a description that's funny yet appropriate but am apparently unable to strike a balance  :lol:


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Are there feminists who thought that the whole self-petting nipple-chains thing as the incarnation of wicked desire was problematic and ill conceived? Absolutely. I am one of them. But did I get the coven together and use the magic power of our feminism to bend the poor helpless game developers to our will? Don't be absurd. Or, rather, stop being absurd.

If you want to "imagine" what happened imagine that, for example, David Gaider went on the record saying: "The difference between sexy and sexualized… Sexy is good, but I think that a lot of people, they have a sexualized character and they think, 'That’s sexy. Everyone should think that’s sexy and think that’s a good thing to look at.' It becomes this pattern across the industry. That’s when it becomes an issue. So yeah, these things do have to be individually challenged." Actually, don't imagine that, remember it. It happened almost two years ago. Now apply that kind of thinking to Ms. Nipple-Chains.

 

It's time to stop imagining that some all-powerful cabal, the feminist illuminati, is manipulating this unwilling multi-billion-with-a-B dollar industry. It's time to stop imagining that I'm putting the thumbscrews to the Ray Muzyka right after I get the kids to bed and making him put a sweatshirt on the Desire Demon. Things aren't changing because of some ridiculous conspiracy, things are changing because more and more people are coming to reject institutionalized privilege and to prioritize inclusion and equity. This is a good thing.

 

And you had better get used to it. It's not going away.

 

I asked a simple question, and I guess that made you angry.  I'm sorry.  I'm not sure exactly what I can address here; a lot of it feels too emotionally charged and combative.

 

I will address one point, however.  You say, "...and to prioritize inclusion and equity[sic]."  First off, I assume you meant to type "equality" (trust me, I've made way worse typos!), but if not then please disregard this next part.

 

If inclusion and equality is the goal, why is the complete and utter removal of the concept the acceptable solution?  To be honest, I find nudity in games to be weird and awkward, so I'd actually prefer the art design of desire demons to be changed as well.  Like another poster mentioned, I think it would have been neat if desire demons could take different forms of desire.  There would be "seductive" versions (male, too), there would be versions that look like someone you've lost, perhaps a rich-looking person to entice the desire for wealth, etc.

 

But rather than being changed to be made equal or even just less offensive, they were removed entirely.  

 

I really enjoyed Origin's initial depiction of demons.  Since DA2, and now with DAI, demons are just random mooks that fall out of green holes.  Their labeling exists only to paint them in a certain color and alert the player of a certain ability set.  But initially, they represented the various sins and were integrated into the world in complex ways.  I specifically enjoyed the concept of the desire demon because I think it offered the most complex and meaningful type of characterization to the player.  The choices the desire demon gave to you were extremely varied and I found that really intriguing.

 

But now they're gone, almost retconned out of the game from what I understand, and I think that's a shame.


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SomberXIII

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There were two versions of female spirit in The Art of Dragon Age Inquisition. One is non-sexualized Desire Demon. Second is more like a fairy. None made it into the game. :(

 

 

EDIT: The link is down. Buy the artbook if you want to see.  :P



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Non-sexualized Desire Demon, hmmmmmm

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Nathair Nimheil

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I asked a simple question, and I guess that made you angry.

Not at all.
 

I will address one point, however.  You say, "...and to prioritize inclusion and equity[sic]."  First off, I assume you meant to type "equality" (trust me, I've made way worse typos!)

No, I meant "equity", defined as "the quality of being fair". The internet abounds with free dictionaries and thesauri, before you [sic], might I suggest that you Google?
 

If inclusion and equality is the goal, why is the complete and utter removal of the concept the acceptable solution?

Perhaps it was just easier than dealing with the poo-flinging outrage that would surely have resulted from certain quarters should a Desire Demon have appeared in a less salacious form. Who knows? One thing is true though, if one can not be inclusive in this sense it is still worthwhile to not be actively and overtly exclusive.
 

But rather than being changed to be made equal or even just less offensive, they were removed entirely.

Yup, unfortunate if true. We (or at least I) have no actual idea whether the DDemons were removed or simply not included. Certainly in this incarnation demons are far less "human" and far more "monsters".



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The Dragon Age peeps have always seemed uncomfortable with their T*tties McBoobies demon.

I'm sad to see them go but maybe we'll meet their spirit kin someday, and the Fade won't be a giant sausage fest.

 

What?In Inuqisition, no demon type had any gender, from despair to terror, fear, envy or nightmare.

 

I just remember a spirit of command in Crestwood, who was in fact, female.And the big bad crab thing in the fade who was male.

 

Also, pride is female, at least Solas's friend was.



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Non-sexualized Desire Demon, hmmmmmm

 

A desire demon in the shape of a chocolate chip cookie?


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Hey, put this into the spoiler.

 

Sorry, didn't realize I had clicked the no-spoilers section of the board.  All fixed :) thanks for pointing it out to me.


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PhroXenGold

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A desire demon in the shape of a chocolate chip cookie?

 

Totally worth selling my soul for...



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Lebanese Dude

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Totally worth selling my soul for...

I wouldn't...unless the chocolate was Lindt.

 

Then I'd be screwed.


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Nathair Nimheil

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Totally worth selling my soul for...

I wasn't really using it anyway.



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They got streamlined out like half of the previous enemies

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They got streamlined out like half of the previous enemies

 

Which is a problem because:

 

1_They were one of the most (if not directly the most) interesting type of enemy of Dragon Age, not only for their battles, but for the dialogues with them and the ocassional choices they offered. Really, the potential for interesting sidequest Desire Demons have is incredible.

 

2_It seems like Bioware/EA stars to worry about those stupid feminist groups trying to imposse their **** to the rest of the world.

 

Not having Desire Demons

 

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is one of the big flaws I see in this game, laugh all you want but the abscence of the most interesting type of enemy characters (because given their personality I consider Desire Demons more like hostile NPCs than enemy pawns, in other words, characters) really hurts the game for me and really, I love this game. I hope in future DA games we get Desire Demons (the same model as DA Origins Desire Demons) back, and if any DLC is planned for DA Inquisition (and being a Bioware & EA game we can bet that there is) I hope they have Desire Demons and that it include at least one sidequest related with a Desire Demon with the typical "bargain or kill" scenario.



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Jnaathra

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Anybody know what happens if

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Anybody know what happens if

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one of the big flaws I see in this game, the abscence of the most interesting type of enemy characters (because given their personality I consider Desire Demons)

So, the addition of newer enemies doesn't count but the loss of a certain sex-service-cake does. Nice.



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There's an envy demon that could have been replaced with a desire demon I guess- only real difference is creepy looking thing vs. half naked lady.



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I just want parity. If you're going to have a demonic sexualized female demon, make a male one too. Oh wait... Iron Bull.

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Bring back desire demons in their original form please.....this game is awesome, but I feel like something is missing without desire demons. They were such a fun/interesting enemy. Please reinstate them in DLC.
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