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[ImaginaryMatter]

The Stanley Parable is a good game(?) though.

 

Very meta.

[Valmar]

I guess that this

 

 

is the main reason why many people like the IT.

Imo it´s not the worst decision to accept "the game never ended" (maybe with some headcanon) instead of accepting the real end.

 

I get why people like it, that wasn't my argument. I questioned why people were satisfied with it. Much like the original endings pre-EC, the IT has no closure or conclusion - two things that were most widely criticized about the ending.

 

We're upset the ending didn't give us closure with the ending so we in turn are satisfied by an ending that provides nothing? Even the original had more closure than the IT.

[Rusted Cage]

After the original ending, before the Extended Cut, I believed the ending message "thanks for playing, watch out for future DLC" was proof the original idea was to have the real ending released as dlc. After all the outcry, it seemed that Bioware backslid and decided to stay with their released ending. A few people have said the same but was this ever confirmed to be true?

[CaIIisto]

I never believed that theory. The ending, the original ending, was rushed, and it had plenty of holes, but I doubt that it wasn't the intended 'ending'. I can't imagine BW putting out a 'real' ending via DLC for the simple reason that most people don't buy DLC, hence you'd have the majority of people never experiencing the 'true' ending of the trilogy.

[ImaginaryMatter]

I never believed that theory. The ending, the original ending, was rushed, and it had plenty of holes, but I doubt that it wasn't the intended 'ending'. I can't imagine BW putting out a 'real' ending via DLC for the simple reason that most people don't buy DLC, hence you'd have the majority of people never experiencing the 'true' ending of the trilogy.

 

If they did do that I assumed they would have made it free, as it would have been something planned.

[CaIIisto]

If they did do that I assumed they would have made it free, as it would have been something planned.

Even then though you're reliant on people picking it up. The EC was free but not everyone picked it up. Some, simply won't be aware of it, others would have moved on in the meantime.

[Rusted Cage]

If they did do that I assumed they would have made it free, as it would have been something planned.

Call me cynical but this is EA who's decision to release From Ashes as a dlc despite already existing on the game disc was a little controversial at the time. I wish I could find some of the dev tweets from that era as they implied, in answer to confused questions about the endings, that something was incoming which we should get excited about long before the EC. So unless the EC was planned, meaning the terrible original endings were planned too, there is more here than meets the eye.

 

I don't think it was until the words "artistic integrity" reared their grim head that Bioware realised they'd written themselves into a corner, forcing them to either twist and  admit they were going to release the real ending as dlc or stick with the ending we got. The latter decision is the least controversial and makes them look like they have a little bit of honour.

[angol fear]

Call me cynical but this is EA who's decision to release From Ashes as a dlc despite already existing on the game disc was a little controversial at the time. I wish I could find some of the dev tweets from that era as they implied, in answer to confused questions about the endings, that something was incoming which we should get excited about long before the EC. So unless the EC was planned, meaning the terrible original endings were planned too, there is more here than meets the eye.

 

I don't think it was until the words "artistic integrity" reared their grim head that Bioware realised they'd written themselves into a corner, forcing them to either twist and  admit they were going to release the real ending as dlc or stick with the ending we got. The latter decision is the least controversial and makes them look like they have a little bit of honour.

 

If they planned the "real ending" to be a DLC (which I totally disagree) then why the extended cut is a compromise between the original ending and what people were asking : everything that has been added was what people on the forum were asking for. Then, from the narration point of view, why the extended cut doesn't work while the original ending fits perfectly?

[ImaginaryMatter]

If they planned the "real ending" to be a DLC (which I totally disagree) then why the extended cut is a compromise between the original ending and what people were asking : everything that has been added was what people on the forum were asking for. Then, from the narration point of view, why the extended cut doesn't work while the original ending fits perfectly?

 

Well, you seem to think it's fits better. That seems to be far from the common opinion nor does it seem to be a particularly defensible stance.

[Valmar]

If they planned the "real ending" to be a DLC (which I totally disagree) then why the extended cut is a compromise between the original ending and what people were asking : everything that has been added was what people on the forum were asking for. Then, from the narration point of view, why the extended cut doesn't work while the original ending fits perfectly?

 

I don't believe the 'real ending' was ever meant to be DLC, either. Which so far is true since there is no DLC that adds a 'real' ending. The extended cut only elaborates on what is already there, much to the displeasure of many fans who wanted them to just trash the ending entirely and start from scratch. Putting sprinkles on crap doesn't magically make it less like crap. I'm a believer of that rumor that the ending was written up at the last moment by Casey without any peer-review process from the others. Might be a load of crock but it explains things better than IT ever did. IT gives Bioware way too much credit, imo.

 

Personally I believe the EC is better than the original, that it does give it more depth then it had before (an easy task given that they gave us nothing originally) and it addresses some of the plotholes and other issues fans had with the ending. The only way I'd think the original ending fits better is if you want to believe IT - I believe IT fits better with the original ending more then it does the EC. You're the first person I've seen that actually prefers the original and thinks it fits better.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The EC being a compromise really satisfied no one, but it was the best we were going to get, and added stuff for the Leviathan DLC to the code. Also contained "brilliant" lines like "Who created the Crucible?" "You would not know them and there isn't time to explain." It still left the most offensive part of the ending intact.

 

[SilJeff]

EC satisfied me as it made choices matter by showing us the state of the galaxy post-ending. I enjoy trying different choice combinations for things like the krogan related decisions. I am still hoping to see the rachni take over tuchanka that I saw in a video showing every possible slide. There are a lot I have yet to see.

[Vazgen]

EC satisfied me as it made choices matter by showing us the state of the galaxy post-ending. I enjoy trying different choice combinations for things like the krogan related decisions. I am still hoping to see the rachni take over tuchanka that I saw in a video showing every possible slide. There are a lot I have yet to see.

As far as I know you need to have rachni queen saved in ME1 and ME3 and have genophage sabotaged I always roleplay that the rachni act as a limiting factor for future krogan urges if genophage is cured

[MegaIllusiveMan]

EC satisfied me as it made choices matter by showing us the state of the galaxy post-ending. I enjoy trying different choice combinations for things like the krogan related decisions. I am still hoping to see the rachni take over tuchanka that I saw in a video showing every possible slide. There are a lot I have yet to see.

 

Yes, this. So much decisions, too much to be made yet.

 

I would deffo like to get those:

 

Spoiler

 

Spoiler

 

 

And another two that I can't find that shows: 1- A Female Krogan with no hope for survival ready to sacrifice herself to a Thresher Maw and 2-One that shows only a Krogan Skeleton and a desolated Tuchanka.

[themikefest]

The best thing I can say about the extended cut is that it fixed the flashbacks.

[MegaIllusiveMan]

The best thing I can say about the extended cut is that it fixed the flashbacks.

 

Fixed? How so?

[themikefest]

Fixed? How so?

Before the extended cut, it had Anderson, Joker and Liara. I didn't know why Liara showed up. After checking around come to find out that anyone who didn't romanced Kaidan/Ashley/ Liara always had Liara show up. When the extended cut was released, I had Samantha show up in the third flashback, Anderson was still in the first flashback and depending on the playthrough, anyone could be in the second flashback. 

[Rusted Cage]

Question about the Refusal Ending: It is implied that Liara's hologram is activated far into the future, long after Shepard's cycle is over. But is this really the case and has it been confirmed? I mean, could it not simply be activated anytime, that if the camera pans a little more to the right we'd see Liara standing there checking it works before walking out of the vault?

[CaIIisto]

You still get the Stargazer scene post-credits with the refusal ending, so either that's how the Reapers were stopped, or they were stopped another way, which makes no sense - "yes the Reapers were stopped, but not by this way that we showed you, but some other way that we didn't".

[MegaIllusiveMan]

Before the extended cut, it had Anderson, Joker and Liara. I didn't know why Liara showed up. After checking around come to find out that anyone who didn't romanced Kaidan/Ashley/ Liara always had Liara show up. When the extended cut was released, I had Samantha show up in the third flashback, Anderson was still in the first flashback and depending on the playthrough, anyone could be in the second flashback.

Ahh, right. Thx, Mike.

 

You still get the Stargazer scene post-credits with the refusal ending, so either that's how the Reapers were stopped, or they were stopped another way, which makes no sense - "yes the Reapers were stopped, but not by this way that we showed you, but some other way that we didn't".

The stargazer scene is different. If you chose refuse, it's a unknown alien specie and if you choose the other three endings, it will be Buzz Aldrin and some other kid. Human (or supposedly human)

[Vazgen]

If I'm not mistaken the stargazer replacement is voiced by Claudia Black So... Admiral Xen survived

 

As for the next cycle stopping the Reapers, they probably built the Crucible and were presented with the same choices, although the person to choose was not  "I won't let fear compromise who I am" type of guy/gal

[Display Name Owner]

After the original ending, before the Extended Cut, I believed the ending message "thanks for playing, watch out for future DLC" was proof the original idea was to have the real ending released as dlc. After all the outcry, it seemed that Bioware backslid and decided to stay with their released ending. A few people have said the same but was this ever confirmed to be true?

 

There's a thread about that, apparently someone who used to work at Bioware or knew people who did or something said that was exactly the plan. Imo It was a pretty bad idea if true, most people are neither that patient nor that clever, myself included. If I see a rushed ending I assume the ending was rushed, end of. Subtle hints that the ending was going to be released in episodes (which I'm not keen on regardless, even if I would probably have bought them anyway) were never going to be picked up on by the masses.

[CaIIisto]

The stargazer scene is different. If you chose refuse, it's a unknown alien specie and if you choose the other three endings, it will be Buzz Aldrin and some other kid. Human (or supposedly human)

With the Destroy, Control and Synthesis endings they're all technically 'wins' - some semblance of the current galactic civilisation survives. Under refusal, this cycle definitely loses and all of the major races are wiped out, hence the Stargazer scene would have to feature another alien race, representing a whole new cycle.

I think with this particular question, yes, technically, it could just be Liara testing that the capsule works, but given the scenes either side of it, I highly doubt it.

[themikefest]

I would be curious if Shepard ever made it back on the Normandy if he/she refused.

[Rusted Cage]

There's a thread about that, apparently someone who used to work at Bioware or knew people who did or something said that was exactly the plan. Imo It was a pretty bad idea if true, most people are neither that patient nor that clever, myself included. If I see a rushed ending I assume the ending was rushed, end of. Subtle hints that the ending was going to be released in episodes (which I'm not keen on regardless, even if I would probably have bought them anyway) were never going to be picked up on by the masses.

 

Absolutely, part of the reason I think they could never have gone with that idea, specially after the controversy. It'd be like chucking fuel on an already raging fire. After all, Dallas never got over that "I shot JR" storyline.

 

As far as I know you need to have rachni queen saved in ME1 and ME3 and have genophage sabotaged I always roleplay that the rachni act as a limiting factor for future krogan urges if genophage is cured

 

Clever idea

 

Ahh, right. Thx, Mike.

 
The stargazer scene is different. If you chose refuse, it's a unknown alien specie and if you choose the other three endings, it will be Buzz Aldrin and some other kid. Human (or supposedly human)

 

So they truly did write themselves into a corner. Shame, the refusal ending would have been a good way out of it. Not that I take the Stargazer scene all that seriously, mind