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Has the Mass Effect 3 ending been explained yet?


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Before the extended cut, it had Anderson, Joker and Liara. I didn't know why Liara showed up. After checking around come to find out that anyone who didn't romanced Kaidan/Ashley/ Liara always had Liara show up. When the extended cut was released, I had Samantha show up in the third flashback, Anderson was still in the first flashback and depending on the playthrough, anyone could be in the second flashback. 

 

I preferred the pre-EC flashbacks since Joker was always in it, now I gotta do some voodoo to get him to show up again. Joker, Anderson, LI/most used squadmate, that's what it should be, Joker should always be there. 



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I preferred the pre-EC flashbacks since Joker was always in it, now I gotta do some voodoo to get him to show up again. Joker, Anderson, LI/most used squadmate, that's what it should be, Joker should always be there. 

I'd have Anderson replaced by Joker. Really, I never cared about Anderson, he was a decent man (although stupid as a brick sometimes) but he was never on the same level as, say, Joker or any squadmate in the games. He was on the same level, as, say, Aria.


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I preferred the pre-EC flashbacks since Joker was always in it, now I gotta do some voodoo to get him to show up again. Joker, Anderson, LI/most used squadmate, that's what it should be, Joker should always be there. 

Not for me. I don't want Anderson in the flashback at all, but I have to put up with it. At least Joker isn't in the flashback anymore.



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I'd have Anderson replaced by Joker. Really, I never cared about Anderson, he was a decent man (although stupid as a brick sometimes) but he was never on the same level as, say, Joker or any squadmate in the games. He was on the same level, as, say, Aria.

You know I always did find it odd the level of attachment the fanbase had to Anderson since the start. So many fans seem to relate him as being some sort of father figure to Shepard. 



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You know I always did find it odd the level of attachment the fanbase had to Anderson since the start. So many fans seem to relate him as being some sort of father figure to Shepard. 

I liked Anderson, read the novels about his adventures and admired his dedication and trust in Shepard. However, to act as a mentor he needed to, well, mentor Shepard more. The fact that he didn't condemn Shepard's actions also took away from his supposed mentor status. "You're a damn hero in my books" was his agenda throughout the trilogy and it didn't change despite all the crazy renegade actions that Shepard might've done. My Shepards view Anderson in the same light as Anderson himself viewed Jon Grissom in Mass Effect: Revelation. 



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You know I always did find it odd the level of attachment the fanbase had to Anderson since the start. So many fans seem to relate him as being some sort of father figure to Shepard. 

 

So did the writers. I don't remember anything to the contrary, but did Shepard actually know Anderson well by the beginning of ME1? It seemed like he had only been under his command for a brief period of time on the Normandy and hadn't has any previous interaction with him. In ME3 it seems like Anderson was some sort of surrogate figure when we could have purely professional with him in ME1 and not interact at all in ME2.


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So did the writers. I don't remember anything to the contrary, but did Shepard actually know Anderson well by the beginning of ME1? It seemed like he had only been under his command for a brief period of time on the Normandy and hadn't has any previous interaction with him. In ME3 it seems like Anderson was some sort of surrogate figure when we could have purely professional with him in ME1 and not interact at all in ME2.

The last event with Shepard's participation prior to Mass Effect 1 takes place either in 2176, 2177 or 2178 depending on the background (War Hero, Sole Survivor, Ruthless correspondingly). ME1 events take place in 2183. So, there is room for Shepard to work with Anderson for at least 4-5 years. Normandy was finished in 2183, Anderson was assigned as its captain, Joker was chosen as its pilot (He Who Laughs Best) and Shepard was appointed as executive officer. Considering that Anderson had the final say in Joker's candidacy, I assume he picked his second in command knowing him/her beforehand. 

 

Edit: Mike's right. Shepard asks "What do you know about Captain Anderson?". Doesn't sound like someone who knows him for a few years :D


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I remember Shepard asking Dr. Chakwas, if the player chooses to, about Anderson in ME1 as if he/she doesn't  know the guy 


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Also, doesn't Anderson say to Chakwas "how's our new XO holding up" after the Ede Prime mission? I could be wrong about that line but I seem to remember there being an implication Shepard is really new to the crew, and not just as a player device.


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Also, doesn't Anderson say to Chakwas "how's our new XO holding up" after the Ede Prime mission? I could be wrong about that line but I seem to remember there being an implication Shepard is really new to the crew, and not just as a player device.

 

Just recently started a new playthrough of the trilogy. I can confirm he simply says "XO" not new. I didn't get any implication Shepard was new to the crew so far through playing. Only Jenkins feels new.



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Just recently started a new playthrough of the trilogy. I can confirm he simply says "XO" not new. I didn't get any implication Shepard was new to the crew so far through playing. Only Jenkins feels new.

Thanks for clarifying that Hero, I wasn't entirely sure.



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Thanks for clarifying that Hero, I wasn't entirely sure.

 

Worth mentioning, at least, that the events of the first game and Shepard being XO of the Normandy all occur in the same year. Take that with the context that Shepard can ask about Anderson it doesn't seem likely that they actually had any history or knew each other for any extended period of time. So personally I wouldn't be too surprised if Shepard is fairly new. Its even possible that Jenkins wasn't as new as Shepard... Adams mentions the crew was struck hard by his loss so that also implies he was there at least long enough to gain their attachment.



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Lol I got Thane kaidan and Jacob (And Anderson) in my dream sequence. Jacob died in the suicide mission, thane died regularly, and I romanced Kaidan. No idea why all the dead people show up in mine 



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It kinda astonishes me how people can get so attached to something unreal and fantastic. Granted, it's a wonderful story, you get to know the characters (more or less in some cases), eventually have them touch your heart and so forth. But to truly leave a mark on humanity so to speak, you have to be really smart and think of everything to make it a coherent experience (Example: J.R.R. Tolkien's writings) or just have a dumb enough audience believing everything without having a 2nd thought if it could really be that way (Examples: Bible, Q'ran, Torah and so forth). In essence, everything that is written by man (or woman) and making up something that "could've been" or "probably will be someday" is fantasy, or in this case Science Fiction.

 

You don't like it how it played out (ending wise) ? Too bad - not you're going to decide the outcome, they (aka Bioware / EA) do. Scream, rant, cry, beg, threaten all you want, the only thing they might do is feed some more crumbs (aka Extended Cut) to stop the majority from yelling. And even if they don't succeed with that, they just wait until the stoutest of screamers eventually stops bothering with it.

 

Mass Effect Series is their creation, and just because they presented it to the public doesn't mean the public gets to say what they do with it in the end. "I've created you, and i will end you" pretty much.

 

And come on, what aside of PROFIT is on their minds in the first place anyways ? As long as enough people pay for their games, things are ok. That's as simple as it gets. And no amount of "welfare" videos they show just how much they "care" about the gaming community is going to change one iota of that. Without money, these people won't lift a finger to get a game created. Just as much as you wouldn't want to work if you knew there be no pay coming for your labor. Maybe some are in there who would be doing it out of sheer fun of the challenge presented to them, but they are relics from the 1980's where programming stuff was actually fun and you did it because you wanted to see how far you could push the boundaries, and not because you were thinking of a big fat paycheck.

 

One more thing regarding the Endings of ME 3 and what happens to all the people, namely those on the Citadel as it was moved by TIM. So possibly they're all dead, and everything you did in the past to help them (like Kelly Chambers for example) was in vain. So ? War isn't fair,it kills people in troves and doesn't give damn about if it's "fair". Assume all are dead, you couldn't save them, so what ? It's not as if Shepard wouldn't be used to sacrifice people willingly for the sake of the greater good (Arrival DLC in ME2 specifically). So if you either have 1 Sqadmember on Virmire, 300000+ Batarians on Aratoht  or a couple million people on the Citadel to sacrifice doesn't make any difference at all. You have to save a Galaxy, and every dead organic or synthetic being is worth the cause, regardless if it goes willingly into it's own demise or if you force that decision on it.

 

Best quote on that is from Javik "Stand amongst the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters." Never.


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Sweet necro, bro. 



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So cool. Shepard hardly knew Anderson and in ME3 Anderson is his/her father figure? Holy crap! How did we get from "how is our new XO holding up," and Anderson and Shepard hardly knowing each other to father figure? I know... Space Magic!


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So cool. Shepard hardly knew Anderson and in ME3 Anderson is his/her father figure? Holy crap! How did we get from "how is our new XO holding up," and Anderson and Shepard hardly knowing each other to father figure? I know... Space Magic!

Remember. The third game in the trilogy is the best place to start. New players wouldn't know what happened in the previous 2 games. 


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Count me as an Anderson fanboy. I always head canon some period when Shep meets him early.. just doesn't necessarily work under him. He could've been one of the Alliance troops that pulled Colonist Shep out of the rubble. Or happened to be on Earth when Thug Shep was running from law enforcement or something... maybe Shep caused a buzz and impressed Anderson with his antics. Then gave him an ultimatum to join the Alliance.

 

I think he might be even more forgiving to a Renegade if you were biotic.. Anderson's always been interested in humanity forging a place and "ascending" in one way or another. Biotics are rare commodities. That's also why I think he's the "brass" that hooked Jack up with Kahlee. Either him or Hackett... I don't know.


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My spacer Shepard still has a living parent. Anderson is as much a father figure as the turian that served her ryncol is. 



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My spacer Shepard still has a living parent. Anderson is as much a father figure as the turian that served her ryncol is. 

 

Yeah they dropped the ball there...... repeatedly.



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It cant be explained it's broken



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It cant be explained it's broken


Omg xD

People like you make me laugh so much.

The ending is not broken.

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So cool. Shepard hardly knew Anderson and in ME3 Anderson is his/her father figure? Holy crap! How did we get from "how is our new XO holding up," and Anderson and Shepard hardly knowing each other to father figure? I know... Space Magic!

 

Anderson also handpicked the crew. 

 

He believed in Shepard, and whether or not it makes sense to certain gamers or to others, Anderson is one of the only people who had Shepard's back from the very beginning, taking his word as gospel truth (which it was) without evidence. Anderson also sacrifices himself so Shepard can steal the Normandy, steps down so Shepard could take command of the ship that was meant to be his (and it was on its maiden voyage, barely out for a test flight as was the cover story to Eden Prime) without completing a single tour on it. 

 

It does require a little bit of headcanon to have it make perfect sense, but there's enough there to build up the relationship between the two. 



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A father figure is not a literal father stand-in.

 

A father figure can be a teacher - heck, a brother.

 

Anderson has helped and guided Shepard at the times Shepard needed it most. It is actually (IMO, though I know I may be looking too deep into things) very appropriately symbolic when on Vancouver Anderson stops Shepard from plummeting into the pit.

 

He's a reminder that while everything hinges on Shepard - no matter our RP, Shepard does depend on some people in some ways to survive and get his job done. And Anderson partially is relied on as a mentor. You can expand how much of a mentor Anderson is, but he's always somewhat one.

 

Of course Shepard surpasses Anderson quickly enough in even ME1, but ME3 is supposed to be the time of Shepard's doubts and weakness (in some ways), so Anderson is propped up again as the resistance fighter and Shepard is supposed to make him proud. You can minimize the presence of this kind of thing, but its a part of the core narrative that we can't completely avoid, like with our sorts of interactions with TIM, Liara, etc.

 

ME3 is a 'best (or rather, okay) place to start in that it actually rehashes some elements of ME1. The relationship with Anderson is kinda that, and taken to another level.

 

No, Shepard doesn't really see Anderson as his father, figuratively or literally. But he does always, to an extent, whether the player likes it or not, look up to Anderson and his accomplishments, morality, duty, and initiative, in the son-father relationship archetype. This is only barely there (but there nonetheless) in ME1 and ME2 and Bioware decided to focus on it and grow it as a more prominent fixture of the narrative in ME3.

 

 

While it can be argued in the canon that TIM set up Shepard's journey and propelled it forward, it was Anderson that made that journey happen more personally, and whose character and actions ensured it could even be propelled. We're (generally) to give more of an emotional damn about Anderson, he is 'family' compared at least to TIM, regardless of more logical conclusions about TIM's cause-and-effect resulting in Shepard being alive and using the tools he uses to win.

 

 

EDIT: A reminder that ME3 is on the backdrop of an extinction level war. I think the dramatic point being made in all sorts of events and relationships in the game is that this is basically the suicide mission for the galaxy. It encourages many to find family in each other, even if not literally and not permanently. Reapers arriving --> Shepard looking for more guidance from Anderson. Even the 'unbreakable' and 'personality-less' (at least when looking at ME1) Shepard doubting his abilities and judgement and using Anderson as an example to push forward. Not all the time. Not in a hugely overt way. But yes, when Shepard and Anderson are dying next to each other, they sure as hell are going to look to each other for emotional support in a semi father-son way.


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I am not a fan of Anderson

 

- Why did he mention Shepard's vision's in front of the council?

- Why does he need to ask Shepard on what to do to unlock the Normandy? Will Shepard have to escort him to the restroom?

- In ME2 he says its up to Shepard to stop the reapers. Yeah. He really didn't care. He made no effort to find a way to stop the reapers while Shepard was dead just like the rest of the ME1 characters. 

- Once he learns Shepard is alive, he sends a message. Was that suppose to make Shepard feel better? He and the Alliance made no attenpt to find and retrieve Shepard's body.

- At the beginning of ME3, he says a little soft on the sides. He may want to look in the mirror. Too bad I couldn't smash him in the face for that stupid comment

- he says there's something big headed our way. Its the reapers. He's not sure. Idiot. What else would it be?

- He asks Shepard to find a way to stop the reapers. Why now? Why didn't he along with the ME1 characters find a way after the SR1 was destroyed? 

- Back in London he says too bad it took the reapers to unite the galaxy. Idiot. It was Shepard. That's what I meant he says. No it wasn't otherwise he would've said that to begin with

- Hey Shepard? I'm going to send you where there's the most resistance. 

- after the firing the first set of missles, he heads to Shepard's location. Why? The destroyer is distracted Anderson. Get to the beam

- where was he during the what-the-crap evac scene? Why wasn't he helping get injured on the Normandy? 

- Why couldn't Anderson help shoot the husks and Mirauder? Got to love the mentor/father figure crap. With friends like him, who needs enemies

- then he says to femshep, you did good child. What? I'm not a child. Just die already. I just have TIM shoot him to put the guy out his misery


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