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[Keithian]

I keep seeing posts with folks referencing metacritic and even being discouraged as a result of the user scores and deciding to hold off based on those scores. One might get the impression if you were to go to metacritic and look at the user scores for the PC, PS4 and XBOX one that the game is horrible with the pS4 version being the best of the 3. Then you go start reading the user reviews and there are so many folks with duplicate accounts putting zero or not using any logic with their score.

 

Then you go to the Playstation store which has more than double the amount of PC reviews currently (3543 on PS4 votes to 1337 votes on Metacritic) and the game gets 5 stars on average for the PS4 and a 5.5 on Metacritic for the PC (basically 2 1/2 stars). The PS4 version gets only a 7.3 on Metacritic with 1/7th the amount of reviews.

 

What is wrong with that site? Anyone with any logic skills can see that its obvious that the critic scores are much more in line with the average user experience for the 99.9% of folks that don't go to Metacritic, don't rate the game, or don't visit forums in general. That site shouldn't even allow user scores as they are hurting the gaming industry, not helping when the reviews are so obviously filled with trolls...and no...I don't think the proportion of folks or their intent of rating a game a 10 is in line with the proportion of folks and their corresponding intent to rate the game a zero. People might be having a time of their life and rating the game a 10 despite bugs or issues installing...but to give the game a zero with this enormous complex world that is so easy on the eyes is a joke...even if it isn't your type of game. 

[largejack1000]

It wouldn't have anything to do with the piracy limitations by any chance would it???

[DragonKingReborn]

No one is discouraged by low metacritic scores.

No one.

If there are people that believe those user scores are genuine, then I have a leprechaun map to the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow available for purchase.

[Aaleel]

I read the middle of the road metacrtic scores because I figure the 10/10 scores are just as ridiculous as the 0/10.  But my best friend gave me his review and that was all I needed to hear to put off getting.  He likened the PC version the Arkham city on PC when it was first released. 

 

So I'm just reading reviews of the actual features of the game to decide if I'm going to get it after patches and fixes.

[Darkly Tranquil]

You're playing on PS4, so I don't think you appreciate how broken the PC UI is and how much it ruins the game. It's a quite different experience for PC players because the change between this and the first two games is much more jarring on PC than on console (I have played DA on both).

While all the zero reviews are idiotic, I can easily see people giving it a 5/10 depending on their own experience of all the technical issues, bugs, and design fails in it. I am a die hard DA fan and I could not give Inquisition a score any higher than 7/10 (being generous). There are just too many things wrong with it to ignore. DAI is not a zero game, but it's nowhere near a ten either.

[Adynata]

I can't think of a game in recent memory that hasn't had a few bugs in it upon release, so if some bugs and a control scheme that can be rectified by using a controller are the reasons they give the game a low score, then I'm sure these are the same people who dislike brilliant movies because they must read subtitles. Aw, it's too hard for me to enjoy this entertainment. First world problems.

[Nathair Nimheil]

You're playing on PS4, so I don't think you appreciate how broken the PC UI is and how much it ruins the game.

That's odd, I'm on the PC and apparently I don't appreciate how broken the PC UI is and how much it ruins the game either. I'm enjoying myself quite a bit. The very few serious complaints I have will, no doubt, be patched quite soon. I give it a resounding thumbs up!

[- Archangel -]

Anything that allows the unwashed masses to review anything should be taken with a grain of salt, if you look at it at all.  The online culture has turned into a culture of it's cool to hate EVERYTHING.

 

According to them every game is the worst game ever made, every TV show is the worst on television, and every movie is the worst thing ever filmed.

 

 

They have actually reached the point where they are just a parody.

[Keithian]

You're playing on PS4, so I don't think you appreciate how broken the PC UI is and how much it ruins the game. It's a quite different experience for PC players because the change between this and the first two games is much more jarring on PC than on console (I have played DA on both).

While all the zero reviews are idiotic, I can easily see people giving it a 5/10 depending on their own experience of all the technical issues, bugs, and design fails in it. I am a die hard DA fan and I could not give Inquisition a score any higher than 7/10 (being generous). There are just too many things wrong with it to ignore. DAI is not a zero game, but it's nowhere near a ten either.

I can respect your opinion in the way that you wrote it so thank you. Have you tried playing with a controller instead? Just curious. I realize the PC version is having issues and many don't like the controls, but thats exactly why I went with the PS4 version. I am a big MMO player and hadn't touched consoles for 10 years. However, if I think back over the last few years, I have spent SO MANY hours trouble shooting and fixing my own problems that Nvidia or the Developer couldn't fix..not to mention their insistence that is was my router or internet when I knew it wasn't. I have had so many anomalies that were so annoying, such as an unresolved sound bug with Age of Conan, SLI issues with Skyrim on a PC, issues currently with Elder Scrolls Online with FPS when I enter combat with dual 580Ms where my FPS drops from 80 to 12 and then  goes back to 80, issues with download corruption or launcher issues...the list goes on and on and on. So for the first time I decided to get a game on the PS4 versus the PC and I couldn't be happier. Nvidia has been getting worse and worse with working PROACTIVELY with the developers to ensure a smooth experience at launch and maybe some of these developers are getting lazy with regard to options of controlling the game on a PC...but in the end, this particular game is not a zero on any platform.

[Kantr]

Can't see anything wrong with the PC interface myself. Aside from only 8 abilities

[Aurok]

Scoring 0 or 10 is perfectly logical if your intention is to maximise the impact of your review on the average score.

If you're looking at just the average score --and if you assume a real 0-10 scale rather than a game critic 7-10 scale-- then ~6 isn't an unreasonable score for the PC version. It doesn't matter how pretty the world is if the half-assed control scheme and UI make experiencing it a chore.

[Darkly Tranquil]

For me the convenience of consoles doesn't outweigh the inferior graphics and lack of things like mods (not relevant to DAI but important in other games), indies, Steam, and the like, that PC offers. That and I have a strong preference for M&K over controller; I'm an MMO player too and controller just feels wrong to me. Although I may give a controller a try on PC at some point, I would much prefer a working M&K interface.

Regarding card manufacturers and developers, I think the real problem is this nasty pattern that has developed of card makers partnering with particular developers to prioritise one card manufacture drivers over the other during development and at launch, with the other then rushing to catch up. In doing so, they are effectively degrading the performance of their product for half their customers. rankly, it's a bad look all round and they need to knock it off; it's not going to change anyone's graphics card purchasing decisions anyway since most people are either on Team Green or Team Red already.

[Lebanese Dude]

Scoring 0 or 10 is perfectly logical if your intention is to maximise the impact of your review on the average score.

If you're looking at just the average score --and if you assume a real 0-10 scale rather than a game critic 7-10 scale-- then ~6 isn't an unreasonable score for the PC version. It doesn't matter how pretty the world is if the half-assed control scheme and UI make experiencing it a chore.

 

So you'd rate visiting Paris or Berlin a zero if you had to ride a bike everywhere?

 

Appreciating different aspects of something and not allowing the negative bits to degrade the entire experience is what enjoying life is all about.

Nothing justifies a zero, beyond an absolutely horrendous experience.

 

And some people like riding bikes everywhere.

 

My point is... you can rate the game whatever you want... I just find it odd to completely trash the game so hard for a couple of issues that may be resolved later.

 

Unless you truly hate every aspect of the game. Besides your questionable taste, why did you buy the game to begin with >.>

[Keithian]

For me the convenience of consoles doesn't outweigh the inferior graphics and lack of things like mods (not relevant to DAI but important in other games), indies, Steam, and the like, that PC offers. That and I have a strong preference for M&K over controller; I'm an MMO player too and controller just feels wrong to me. Although I may give a controller a try on PC at some point, I would much prefer a working M&K interface.

Regarding card manufacturers and developers, I think the real problem is this nasty pattern that has developed of card makers partnering with particular developers to prioritise one card manufacture drivers over the other during development and at launch, with the other then rushing to catch up. In doing so, they are effectively degrading the performance of their product for half their customers. rankly, it's a bad look all round and they need to knock it off; it's not going to change anyone's graphics card purchasing decisions anyway since most people are either on Team Green or Team Red already.

 

...agree with your second paragraph, but are the graphics really THAT inferior for this particular game? The PS4 is equivalent to a PC on high settings, confirmed by my play experience and by the developers...especially when connected to a good PC monitor. Is it really worth all the headache for slightly better textures and more grass? The only thing I will agree with is that for 4K gaming, it might be worth it, but none of the current cards are ready for 4K on Ultra which is the ONLY way I would consider a new PC. Maybe again when the Nvidia 980ti or 990 comes out I might consider it, but I feel like we are still far away from the day when 4K is the norm for graphics cards. I do agree with you about the Mods. I love mods. However, for this particular game, I don't feel like I am missing much for the moment. Maybe if I had the PC version I might.

[Darkly Tranquil]

I have it on PC and PS4 and PC looks a lot better to me, even though my graphics card is pretty bad (HD7850, soon to be replaced by a 980) but it could just be the TV I have the PS4 hooked up to is simply not as sharp as my monitor. All I know is it feels a lot better on PC, but that could just be my unconscious PC bias showing.

I'm not sure that there are going to be 980ti's or 990s, from what I have read, 980 was pretty much pushing the limit of Maxwell as it was. Until the new 20nm architecture chips hit the market, I think 980 might be it for Nvidia. Of course, AMD have started the rumour mill about R9 380, 390, and 390x, which are allegedly going to launch some time in February, so there is that option upcoming if you're not on a particular team.

[wrdnshprd]

people give it the low ratings on pc because of the terrible mouse and keyboard controls, which is what we've used with the previous 2 games without issue.  is it really out of bounds to expect a similar control system to previous games?

 

that being said, the game itself is great.. but i can understand people's frustration and the low ratings.

[Panda]

I wonder what PS3 and 360 players have given as scores for DAI. I doubt those are very high.

[Keithian]

I have it on PC and PS4 and PC looks a lot better to me, even though my graphics card is pretty bad (HD7850, soon to be replaced by a 980) but it could just be the TV I have the PS4 hooked up to is simply not as sharp as my monitor. All I know is it feels a lot better on PC, but that could just be my unconscious PC bias showing.

I'm not sure that there are going to be 980ti's or 990s, from what I have read, 980 was pretty much pushing the limit of Maxwell as it was. Until the new 20nm architecture chips hit the market, I think 980 might be it for Nvidia. Of course, AMD have started the rumour mill about R9 380, 390, and 390x, which are allegedly going to launch some time in February, so there is that option upcoming if you're not on a particular team.

I'm telling you its the TV. Originally I hooked up my PS4 to a 70" very high end 240hz Sharp/Pioneer Elite. My first impression was the graphics suck. As soon as I moved it to my 27" Alienware Monitor, it looked fantastic...like PC on high settings. Give it a try. You will see what I mean.

[stevemill]

That's odd, I'm on the PC and apparently I don't appreciate how broken the PC UI is and how much it ruins the game either. I'm enjoying myself quite a bit. The very few serious complaints I have will, no doubt, be patched quite soon. I give it a resounding thumbs up!

Yea. I need to give myself a good talking to it seems.

[Bugsie]

A low scoring review for a game doesn't have to be a major deterrent to playing or enjoying a game.

 

I use the same measuring stick for games that I do for books.  A low scoring well written review that points out what they think are the major flaws for the game can actually help tease out for you whether the game is for you or what you may find an issue (but could possibly deal with it).  I've read plenty of low scoring reviews for books that I've gone on to enjoy immensely.  Those reviews were not invalid because I enjoyed the book, It just means they took something different away, didn't enjoy it on the level I did, or alternatively weren't willing to put up with certain aspects of style, story or characters.  I've also listened to high scoring reviews for books (and games definitely) and immediately thought "yeah doesn't sound like I'll enjoy it."

 

Having said all that, a one star review on metacritic that says 'this game is bad' is utterly pointless.  And to top it off metacritic is a cesspool of entitled whining and extreme fanboism.  Best avoided.  If you're looking for a review, go to a reviewer you trust, or better yet a gaming buddy who's views you respect and whose tastes you share.

[Aurok]

So you'd rate visiting Paris or Berlin a zero if you had to ride a bike everywhere?

 

Appreciating different aspects of something and not allowing the negative bits to degrade the entire experience is what enjoying life is all about.

Nothing justifies a zero, beyond an absolutely horrendous experience.

 

And some people like riding bikes everywhere.

 

My point is... you can rate the game whatever you want... I just find it odd to completely trash the game so hard for a couple of issues that may be resolved later.

 

Unless you truly hate every aspect of the game. Besides your questionable taste, why did you buy the game to begin with >.>

 

If the bike had no pedals, and it was one of those reverse steering bikes, and you were actually asking me to review the holiday rather than the city? Absolutely.

 

Like I said though, people don't give 0s and 10s on metacritic because they think the game is a 0 or 10 - they do it to maximise how much weight their say has. How people fail to grasp that is beyond me. This is also why user reviews on metacritic should only be able to choose between Yes & No as a 'score', and the overall user score should be presented as a percentage of Yes votes (a la Rotten Tomatoes).

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Honestly, if you're on the forum, I doubt you really care about some user score on metacritic.

[BammBamm]

...agree with your second paragraph, but are the graphics really THAT inferior for this particular game? The PS4 is equivalent to a PC on high settings, confirmed by my play experience and by the developers...especially when connected to a good PC monitor. Is it really worth all the headache for slightly better textures and more grass? The only thing I will agree with is that for 4K gaming, it might be worth it, but none of the current cards are ready for 4K on Ultra which is the ONLY way I would consider a new PC. Maybe again when the Nvidia 980ti or 990 comes out I might consider it, but I feel like we are still far away from the day when 4K is the norm for graphics cards. I do agree with you about the Mods. I love mods. However, for this particular game, I don't feel like I am missing much for the moment. Maybe if I had the PC version I might.

 

no graphics are not inferior for any game with a good gameplay (played baldurs gate1+2 in big world mod a few month ago and it was great again), but it can enhance the immersion. so i'm glad that da:i has the spectacular graphics (even on high settings)

 

for me there are only two reason for consoles, as a social platform to play with friends in a room on a couch and a few genres that just fit for consoles f.e. sport or beat em up games. for everything else the pc is better, better hardware, variable controls and nowadays you need a pc anyway to write documents, unlimit internet access and so on. so why should i buy a pc and a console? a basic pc + the 500 bugs for a console and you have a plattform that masters nearly everything on high or ultra and with the much cheaper games you save money with every game and with things like steam sales you save A LOT money. and additional my girlfreind wouldnt be pleased if i would play games on the television all the time, so an additional monitor would be a must have anyway.

[Eternal Phoenix]

Metacritic scores have always been a joke and I find it funny that the trolls think they are harming Bioware by making negative user reviews when the gaming community knows not to trust metacritic scores. So long as Bioware keep getting positive critic reviews, their games will keep selling just like CoD but at least Bioware did a turn around with Inquisition and produced something better than their last two games IMO.

[HozzMidnight]

The fact that the console version user scores are a lot closer to the critic score should be a clue to the reader that there are issues with the PC version of the game.

 

These issues fall into two general categories, performance/technical support related.  This would be crashes, low FPS, etc.  The other would be people unhappy with the direction Bioware is taking with their games, especially considering they sold DAI as 'By PC Gamers for PC Gamers'.