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[Han Master]

Just saw matacrtic PC users score, lots of 10's those pass few days since this thread started, who wants to bet many of those are console users giving their score on a PC game.

Not enough to overcome the sure amount of red and yellow score by true PC users but still a good try.

[Han Master]

How many of the users giving the game a 0 have multiple accounts?

I could say the same thing with those giving 10s.

[BammBamm]

I could say the same thing with those giving 10s.

 

and exactly because of that metacritic is garbage, it says only something about with home much passion a few people love or hate a game

[DAOfanado]

and exactly because of that metacritic is garbage, it says only something about with home much passion a few people love or hate a game

 

Its a good indicator.

 

Review-Scores > User Scores = watch out - do additional research watch lets plays etc.

User Scores > Review Scores = maybe a hidden gem - do aditional research

 

 

I actually think the system is great it is a great indicator - and by reading what people write you actually find out why sometimes.

 

Thing is for most people gaming is about having fun - you either have fun with a game 10 or dont have fun with a game 0. If a game is somewhere in between real people dont care - people dont play games to have 50% fun. So its not that unlogical to rate games with "fun" or "no fun" - its not even a problem - 10 ppl think its fun - 10 dont - makes an average score of 5.

 

Anybody who takes numerical scores as something absolute is ... anyhow. Opinions concerning games will always be subjective. What is a 0 for me maybe is a 10 to you. Both Opinions are valid - and they are helpful if a third person can reproduce your score.

[Blisscolas]

Its a good indicator.

 

Review-Scores > User Scores = watch out - do additional research watch lets plays etc.

User Scores > Review Scores = maybe a hidden gem - do aditional research

 

 

I actually think the system is great it is a great indicator - and by reading what people write you actually find out why sometimes.

 

Thing is for most people gaming is about having fun - you either have fun with a game 10 or dont have fun with a game 0. If a game is somewhere in between real people dont care - people dont play games to have 50% fun. So its not that unlogical to rate games with "fun" or "no fun" - its not even a problem - 10 ppl think its fun - 10 dont - makes an average score of 5.

 

Anybody who takes numerical scores as something absolute is ... anyhow. Opinions concerning games will always be subjective. What is a 0 for me maybe is a 10 to you. Both Opinions are valid - and they are helpful if a third person can reproduce your score.

 

If the outcome of an indicator is the same : do additional research, this means your indicator is not that good. Just as when any test yields too many false positives or false negatives.

 

I fully agree though with your last three sentences

[Degs29]

I could say the same thing with those giving 10s.

 

A 0 impacts a good game's rating far more than a 10 does.  Although I agree, fanboys and haters are both a problem.  That said, as much as I love Bioware for its storytelling, this is the first full game of theirs I've considered giving a 10/10.  I don't  think I'll end up doing that, just because it's a flawed masterpiece.  But a masterpiece nonetheless.  I haven't had this much fun in a game in years.

 

But back on topic, there are people actually admitting in their 0/10 reviews that they made an account specifically to deride a single flaw in the game.  That's just childish to rate an entire game based on one issue.  There are also people giving 0/10's just because they tried to play it with specs below the stated minimum and failed.

 

0/10 is supposed to represent a game that has no redeeming qualites whatsoever.  I can't think of a single game I've played that is that bad.  And DA:I is far, far away from the worst game I've played.

[Keithian]

Just saw matacrtic PC users score, lots of 10's those pass few days since this thread started, who wants to bet many of those are console users giving their score on a PC game.

Not enough to overcome the sure amount of red and yellow score by true PC users but still a good try.

I PROMISE you it wasn't me lol..nor was that my intent of this thread.

[celestialfury]

a lot of people had their minds made up way before the game came out. Some still have a grudge because of DA2 and ME3 . Some of that is remnants from the gamergate/zomg sjws nonsense. 

[Keithian]

Just saw matacrtic PC users score, lots of 10's those pass few days since this thread started, who wants to bet many of those are console users giving their score on a PC game.

Not enough to overcome the sure amount of red and yellow score by true PC users but still a good try.

don't you have anything better to do than to monitor the users everyday on Metacritic. Either way, that site is worthless for anything but to get a feel if the game is your type of game or not by reading the critic reviews..regardless of the scores the critics give.

[DAOfanado]

a lot of people had their minds made up way before the game came out. Some still have a grudge because of DA2 and ME3 . Some of that is remnants from the gamergate/zomg sjws nonsense. 

 

Oh the victim card - again ...

 

I really thought DA2 was an awful game. It was a mess - and it was offensive to bioware fans (copy-paste game).

 

Still i was hyped for DAI - so were many others - especially due to comments from bioware talking about how they were going "back to the roots" and "pc is important blah bleh".

Now we found out that was typical marketing-BS again. Now some people are pissed.

 

Is it really so hard to comprehend that if you trick people and use marketing BS all the time they will get upset at some point? If you treat you customers like idiots it will at some point lead to a negative community. I for one simply get annoyed by all the marketing-BS nowadays. Many companies will straight up lie to their fans faces just to trick them into buying theyr new games - made for a completely different group of consumers. (just remember all the obvious "PC first" games that obviously werent - or the fake ingame-scenes (colonial marines), the bullshots etc.)

 

The ones at fault for creating this toxic community are the publishers and their marketing people. And the people that will mostly forget about how they got tricked within weeks - get upset again with the next game but buy it - infinity loop.

[phantomrachie]

Oh the victim card - again ...

 

I really thought DA2 was an awful game. It was a mess - and it was offensive to bioware fans (copy-paste game).

 

Still i was hyped for DAI - so were many others - especially due to comments from bioware talking about how they were going "back to the roots" and "pc is important blah bleh".

Now we found out that was typical marketing-BS again. Now some people are pissed.

 

 

 

you made me laugh with your subjective option expressed as an objective fact.

 

DA2 has flaws but it hardly a terrible game. I didn't like the shameless reuse of environments but I liked enough about the game to over come that.

 

I liked the combat, the characters, much of the story etc.

 

You didn't like it, I get that but to call it an offence to BioWare fans is ridiculous.

 

If there are some aspects of DA:I that you can't get over to enjoy the game, I get that too but to say that everything was marketing BS is again ridiculous.

 

I got used to the PC controls, they feel a bit like MMO controls - since MMO are mainly PC games, that is designing it for PC, you may not have liked the design choice for the controls but you are not all PC gamers, some PC gamers like the set up. PC gamers on the forums and on YouTube e.g Totalbiscuit, have said that the liked them so they are not universally hated like you are suggesting.

 

That is not being lied to, that is not tricking people.

 

I understand if you can't get used to the controls and get into the game, I was never able to get used to the controls in Baldur's Gate, but I would never say they were universally terrible just that I couldn't get into them.

 

DA:I is a great game, a game that for me, totally overcomes it's flaws and has given me some fantastic moments and I'm only 40 hrs in.

 

If the keyboard and mouse controls don't work for you, then provide constructive feedback and because the game is so good, try a controller. I had to switch to a controller due to a wrist injury and it works just as well.

 

Nothing about this game means it deserves a 0, that is the problem with user reviews, normal users don't know how to criticize something constructively. When something annoys them that is all they see, they say it makes the game unplayable, that it's the worse game ever, that they were lied too, when really it is one aspect of the whole.

 

Personally I miss the 'tactics screen' like DA:O & DA2 had, I liked being able to set up when a companion would use an ability and I miss the 'hold position' button.

 

When I first started to play I was really frustrated by things two things, but if I'd let that frustration overwhelm me then I would've missed out on; Dorian's touching personal quest, discovering how much of a romantic Cass is, the thrill of killing my first dragon, the shivers I got when the big bad was revealed and much more.

 

The users reviews on metacritic rarely give you a break down of the what the person liked and didn't like. It's just 'the tac cam is crap - 0' or ' I love BioWare' 10 

 

Reviews tell you nothing if they don't list out specific things that the person liked or didn't like and users reviews are useless if they aren't constructive. 

[Keithian]

you made me laugh with your subjective option expressed as an objective fact.

 

DA2 has flaws but it hardly a terrible game. I didn't like the shameless reuse of environments but I liked enough about the game to over come that.

 

I liked the combat, the characters, much of the story etc.

 

You didn't like it, I get that but to call it an offence to BioWare fans is ridiculous.

 

If there are some aspects of DA:I that you can't get over to enjoy the game, I get that too but to say that everything was marketing BS is again ridiculous.

 

I got used to the PC controls, they feel a bit like MMO controls - since MMO are mainly PC games, that is designing it for PC, you may not have liked the design choice for the controls but you are not all PC gamers, some PC gamers like the set up. PC gamers on the forums and on YouTube e.g Totalbiscuit, have said that the liked them so they are not universally hated like you are suggesting.

 

That is not being lied to, that is not tricking people.

 

I understand if you can't get used to the controls and get into the game, I was never able to get used to the controls in Baldur's Gate, but I would never say they were universally terrible just that I couldn't get into them.

 

DA:I is a great game, a game that for me, totally overcomes it's flaws and has given me some fantastic moments and I'm only 40 hrs in.

 

If the keyboard and mouse controls don't work for you, then provide constructive feedback and because the game is so good, try a controller. I had to switch to a controller due to a wrist injury and it works just as well.

 

Nothing about this game means it deserves a 0, that is the problem with user reviews, normal users don't know how to criticize something constructively. When something annoys them that is all they see, they say it makes the game unplayable, that it's the worse game ever, that they were lied too, when really it is one aspect of the whole.

 

Personally I miss the 'tactics screen' like DA:O & DA2 had, I liked being able to set up when a companion would use an ability and I miss the 'hold position' button.

 

When I first started to play I was really frustrated by things two things, but if I'd let that frustration overwhelm me then I would've missed out on; Dorian's touching personal quest, discovering how much of a romantic Cass is, the thrill of killing my first dragon, the shivers I got when the big bad was revealed and much more.

 

The users reviews on metacritic rarely give you a break down of the what the person liked and didn't like. It's just 'the tac cam is crap - 0' or ' I love BioWare' 10 

 

Reviews tell you nothing if they don't list out specific things that the person liked or didn't like and users reviews are useless if they aren't constructive. 

I tend to rate on a generic site like metacritic based on how much fun Im having, not by breaking it down into pieces. So if I'm having a blast and I'm addicted, to me that is a 10 because no game has done that to me since trying WOW for the first time when that got released. Skyrim was a 10 for me until around 20 when I felt like an overpowered god. If I'm struggling to log in and the game isn't for me, then I give it a much lower score. However, a zero to me is just illogical no matter the rating scale....more so than someone who gives a 10 for just the reason I explained.

 

FYI, I'm a PC user for the last 10 years, avoided consoles during that time, now playing this with a controller on a PS4..its perfect with a controller. Sometimes target the wrong NPC, but other than that, I like the controls. I'm playing Origin on a PC at the same exact time for the first time hehe, but I actually find the control annoying in that game. Something about the mouse button, pause, and selecting the target NPC isn't working for me and sometimes I think something is selected to use a spell and all it does it autoattack with my weapon. Oh well lol.

[Destello]

I keep seeing posts with folks referencing metacritic and even being discouraged as a result of the user scores and deciding to hold off based on those scores. One might get the impression if you were to go to metacritic and look at the user scores for the PC, PS4 and XBOX one that the game is horrible with the pS4 version being the best of the 3. Then you go start reading the user reviews and there are so many folks with duplicate accounts putting zero or not using any logic with their score.

 

Then you go to the Playstation store which has more than double the amount of PC reviews currently (3543 on PS4 votes to 1337 votes on Metacritic) and the game gets 5 stars on average for the PS4 and a 5.5 on Metacritic for the PC (basically 2 1/2 stars). The PS4 version gets only a 7.3 on Metacritic with 1/7th the amount of reviews.

 

What is wrong with that site? Anyone with any logic skills can see that its obvious that the critic scores are much more in line with the average user experience for the 99.9% of folks that don't go to Metacritic, don't rate the game, or don't visit forums in general. That site shouldn't even allow user scores as they are hurting the gaming industry, not helping when the reviews are so obviously filled with trolls...and no...I don't think the proportion of folks or their intent of rating a game a 10 is in line with the proportion of folks and their corresponding intent to rate the game a zero. People might be having a time of their life and rating the game a 10 despite bugs or issues installing...but to give the game a zero with this enormous complex world that is so easy on the eyes is a joke...even if it isn't your type of game. 

 

 

Why that happened to Dragon Age 2 too, but does not happened to Origins?

Daragon Age: Origins
Press 91 - Users 86

Dragon Age 2
Press 82 - Users 44

Dragon Age: Inquisition
Press 85 - Users 58

 

 

And why is not the case of games that people genuinely appreciate either?

 

Skyrim

Press 94 - Users 84

 

Mass Effect

Press 86 - Users 86

 

Divinity: Original Sin

Press 87 - Users 88
 

 

But is exactly the case of any true disappointing games:
 

Diablo 3

Press 88 - Users 39
 

Dungeon Siege 3

Press 72 - Users 46
 

Sacred 3

Press 57 - Users 1.4

You claim that there are fake accounts hating games, while ignoring that there are the same number of fake accounts blessing the same games. In the average we have the truth.

[MikeJW]

I dont bother with scores or reviews anymore. If I'm curious about a game I'll watch a lets play on Youtube. Just a few minutes tells me more if its a game for me than a multi page review or pages of scores. Lets plays have turned me onto a lot of games I would have otherwise overlooked and led me away from others I thought would be good.

[arkngt]

In the average we have the truth.

 

Uh, just no. The truth isn't arrived at by the average score by lots of people. In average, people are average.

[Shechinah]

I always recommend to never judge by a score of the game because they can end up telling you nothing about the game. People rate for different reasons and favor different things. It's better to look at reviews that go non-spoilery into the games' storytelling and technical aspects.  

[Ridirkulous]

The metacrictic scores are more than adequate. In fact, they seem to have hit the nail on the head. These "professional" reviews hand out high scores like a 7/10 without any sort of reflection. People want their reviews easily digestible and as soon as possible. A game can never be mediocre or bad. It's gotten to the point where a game most likely will have to make an attempt on you life and your loved ones to score anything less than a 6. I'll admit, that the people lazily posting scores and then claiming that the game "sucks" or "it's the best" don't give much perspective.

 

Still, take some time to actually read a few reviews of both the positive and negative variety. When I say read, I also mean read reviews with some effort put into them and not some standard doorknob that can type out a tweet. If you do so you'll most likely gain a better understanding of a game's particular scores. Something I may criticize the game for you may actually like and visce versa. I can't be the only person who believes it to be far better than the paid critics and monetized YouTube channels. I've seen too many high scores such as 7's, 8's, and 9's to think otherwise.

[NakedEmperor]

You actually know that there are lots of people paid to give products good reviews and discredit other products.  So it's best to read those who are in the middle. A review of zero with a comment "This game sucks" isn't a review at all and also the one that gives ten and says "this is the best thing since frozen yogurt" isn't a proper review either.

 

The best indicator of metascore user reviews is how many have reviewed it or given it a score, if million people have rated it then you can be pretty sure the average user has more of a sway, of course fanboys and haters have a tendency to give unfair score,  like zeroes and tens not based on merit at all.

[Olddog56]

I think most of the negative metacritic scores from players are butthurt PC master race types who hated the PC interface.

 

I'm playing on a PC and I think DAI is the best game released in 2014 even though the PC interface is not the best.

 

Still a great game. Glad I bought it.

[Aulis Vaara]

Why that happened to Dragon Age 2 too, but does not happened to Origins?

Daragon Age: Origins
Press 91 - Users 86

Dragon Age 2
Press 82 - Users 44

Dragon Age: Inquisition
Press 85 - Users 58
 
 
And why is not the case of games that people genuinely appreciate either?
 
Skyrim

Press 94 - Users 84
 
Mass Effect
Press 86 - Users 86
 
Divinity: Original Sin
Press 87 - Users 88
 
 
But is exactly the case of any true disappointing games:
 
Diablo 3
Press 88 - Users 39
 
Dungeon Siege 3
Press 72 - Users 46
 
Sacred 3
Press 57 - Users 1.4

You claim that there are fake accounts hating games, while ignoring that there are the same number of fake accounts blessing the same games. In the average we have the truth.

^ This.

Can't say I didn't get my money's worth out of this game, but it was ultimately a disappointing experience because of the poor storytelling.

[Elhanan]

Stopped looking at metacritic ages ago when discovered it uses skewed algorithm, and non-users could vote as Players. It is flawed; prefer other sites; other places for notes.

[HozzMidnight]

Metacritic is a great site.  If a game has good critic reviews and bad user reviews you can be sure there is a problem with the game in question.  Maybe not one that will affect you, but something worth investigating.  Great games gets good critic AND user ratings.  DAI is not one of those.  They lied to their PC fanbase and have continued to ****** on them on them post-release.  

[keyip]

At the end of the day, these are the facts:

 

- Out of 8 or 9 sites which accept user scores, Metacritic is the only site giving the PC version of DA:I a score of below 8.

- Dragon Age Inquisition has picked up more READER'S CHOICE GOTY awards than any other game this year. On Gamespot it not only picked up the overall Reader's choice GOTY, but the PC GOTY also.

- Of the games on Metacritic where the user score is well below the press score, MOST of these games sell very well. And not only do they sell very well but they sell year after year after year. Call of Duty springs to mind. This statement not only backs Press reviews over Metacritic user reviews, because the number of sales a game receives is the ultimate user review system, but it shows graphically why user reviews are just as bad (if not worse) than press reviews.

 

At the end of the day all the evidence points to Metacritic being the worst place on the internet to look at user scores. Just a protest place the majority of people ignore.