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[Aurok]

The reviewer average of 85 and the user average of 58 are pretty similar when you consider the wildly different scales they're using. Both scores are just above the middle of their respective ranges, which is a fair reflection of the quality of Inquisition.

A 6/10 using a full /10 scale seems dead on to me.

[bEVEsthda]

Can't see anything wrong with the PC interface myself. Aside from only 8 abilities

 

Oh, FFS. C'mon.  The PC interface is almost as crappy as it can be while still offering a fully playable game.

- But it is  playable,  and I enjoy it very much!     Some people just need to be a bit more stubborn at it. ...Not that I don't want Bioware to improve a few things.

[papercut_ninja]

That would be like judging youtubevideos based on likes and dislikes...anything that contains something even remotely controversial will be spammed with dislikes, regardless of any other qualities. Same goes for games, Divinity - Original Sin was an excellent game, but also very safe and vanilla, no one can dislike any of the content, so it doesn't get a bunch of 0s bringing the average down.

[ApocAlypsE007]

 

- Dragon Age Inquisition has picked up more READER'S CHOICE GOTY awards than any other game this year. On Gamespot it not only picked up the overall Reader's choice GOTY, but the PC GOTY also.

 

False on the PC. Divinity Original Sin was PC GOTY and deservebly so.

[keyip]

False on the PC. Divinity Original Sin was PC GOTY and deservebly so.

 

Twas talking about the Reader's Choice PC GOTY award.

 

EDIT: I was too lazy to keep typing those long sentences.

[bluonblu]

I might not say "joke" outright (I would hope some people at least would give a game a try and then think what / why their feedback would be), but I agree with the sentiment. 

I've never found sites like Metacritic much help, mostly because for me a playthrough is a very subjective experience. If it doesn't work for me, based on my own personal expectations, it doesn't help if the game got rave reviews. - I much prefer Youtube reviews/playthroughs created by players. 

 

Plus - and this may not be entirely justified for all of them - but I'm having trouble taking some of the professional reviews seriously. Usually, for any games that I'm invested in, I'd know their lore/story (up to that point) quite well. It really annoys me when they get some of these facts wrong and I start to question just how in-depth a review I can then expect... 

[WillieStyle]

Sigh!  This thread again. What's next?  "I'm afraid we might not get a DA 4 because Inquisition is selling poorly"?

[Destello]

 

Why that happened to Dragon Age 2 too, but does not happened to Origins?

Daragon Age: Origins
Press 91 - Users 86

Dragon Age 2
Press 82 - Users 44

Dragon Age: Inquisition
Press 85 - Users 58

 

 

And why is not the case of games that people genuinely appreciate either?

 

Skyrim

Press 94 - Users 84

 

Mass Effect

Press 86 - Users 86

 

Divinity: Original Sin

Press 87 - Users 88
 

 

But is exactly the case of any true disappointing games:
 

Diablo 3

Press 88 - Users 39
 

Dungeon Siege 3

Press 72 - Users 46
 

Sacred 3

Press 57 - Users 1.4

You claim that there are fake accounts hating games, while ignoring that there are the same number of fake accounts blessing the same games. In the average we have the truth.

 

 

Let's analyze more deeply those scores.

 

1. Press scores are contaminated by the amount of reviews that a company can buy (in the case of EA/Bioware this means a LOT).

 

2. User scores are contaminated with fake accounts and unworthy zeroes/tens.

 

3. In surveys they teach that about 800 results statistically obtains a credible average. Today Metacritic can achieve that amount.

 

4. If this system is wrong, every score should be wrong, but only those sagas that changed their genera were punished.

 

5. Nobody will choose a game based on scores, they reflect only how grateful or disappointing a game was.

 

What can we get from these premises?

 

1. The more money a company has, the less credible will be the official score.

 

2&3. Users tend to polarize their votes and can create fake accounts. But wait... zeroes and teens are a binary result 0=bad/10=good, so we have a fair average there, and fanboys/haters fake accounts stay compensated X/X=1.

 

4. It seems that only the sagas that changed their genera are punished (Diablo 1-2 are ARPG while Diablo 3 is a Hack'n Slash dumbed for consoles. Well, Origins is RPG while DA2-Inquisition are ARPG, and yes, dumbed for consoles).

 

5. Nobody cares about critics, but critics expose how disappointed the player-base is.

 

DAI has changed its genera to ARPG, but there are many beloved ARPG, so why the community is punishing it so much? Well... Elder Scrolls, Dark Souls, The Witcher, etc, still in their genera. Dragon Age Origins was known as the saga that keeps the RPG among the "AAA" with mod support but that is no more: DA2 attempted an hybrid system between PC and consoles that has only satisfied in consoles and Inquisition attempted to improve that system by copying Elder Scrolls but without mods...

 

Think about this: user score is a fair average of your player-base mood, and around 6 for a saga that historically has leading the RPG genera is a disaster. I think Diablo 3 and Inquisition are good games, but the change of genera and dumb-down for consoles made them unplayable for its traditional hardcore PC players/modders, so while Inquisition is a "playable" game, is not a "Dragon Age" game, has lost its identity.

 

What happened to you, Bioware?

[Frenrihr]

I keep seeing posts with folks referencing metacritic and even being discouraged as a result of the user scores and deciding to hold off based on those scores. One might get the impression if you were to go to metacritic and look at the user scores for the PC, PS4 and XBOX one that the game is horrible with the pS4 version being the best of the 3. Then you go start reading the user reviews and there are so many folks with duplicate accounts putting zero or not using any logic with their score.

 

Then you go to the Playstation store which has more than double the amount of PC reviews currently (3543 on PS4 votes to 1337 votes on Metacritic) and the game gets 5 stars on average for the PS4 and a 5.5 on Metacritic for the PC (basically 2 1/2 stars). The PS4 version gets only a 7.3 on Metacritic with 1/7th the amount of reviews.

 

What is wrong with that site? Anyone with any logic skills can see that its obvious that the critic scores are much more in line with the average user experience for the 99.9% of folks that don't go to Metacritic, don't rate the game, or don't visit forums in general. That site shouldn't even allow user scores as they are hurting the gaming industry, not helping when the reviews are so obviously filled with trolls...and no...I don't think the proportion of folks or their intent of rating a game a 10 is in line with the proportion of folks and their corresponding intent to rate the game a zero. People might be having a time of their life and rating the game a 10 despite bugs or issues installing...but to give the game a zero with this enormous complex world that is so easy on the eyes is a joke...even if it isn't your type of game. 

 

What is hurting the game industry is paid reviews and fanboys.

[robertthebard]

Wasn't there a guy here that posted a negative thread about the game with a really long OP, a 0 review on metacritic, and come to find out, he never bought the game? I keep wondering where the game owner forums are here, like we had with ME 3. That might slow down the "review of a review" posts here, since people with no experience with the game really shouldn't be trying to post reviews on it. "I watched videos on youtube" isn't really a qualifier for reviewing a game.

[outlaw1109]

It's funny when people say that DA:I/DA:2 are "dumbed down"....and they hold Origins in such high regard...

yet...

I remember a few years ago now, what people said about DA:O:  that it was a "dumbed down console port".


....I wonder if those old threads still exist somewhere...but I also wonder how predictable BSN is to the people that run it...

As to the nature of using review sites of any kind, I've learned the error of my ways and found it's much better to watch a couple of "let's plays" before taking anyone seriously...

[Elhanan]

Wasn't there a guy here that posted a negative thread about the game with a really long OP, a 0 review on metacritic, and come to find out, he never bought the game? I keep wondering where the game owner forums are here, like we had with ME 3. That might slow down the "review of a review" posts here, since people with no experience with the game really shouldn't be trying to post reviews on it. "I watched videos on youtube" isn't really a qualifier for reviewing a game.

While I had not played ME3, I did post opinions on what was known of the game seen from intel and vids (eg; the original endings were fine for me, as a Paragon Shep). But as much as I am able to recall, I do not score or write reviews without having played the game itself.

Metacritic allows anyone -user or not - to score and write reviews. Plus, the math used to score on the site is skewed; flawed. Here is an older article; the last time I considered the site to be useful:

http://www.brainygam...metacritic.html

[robertthebard]

While I had not played ME3, I did post opinions on what was known of the game seen from intel and vids (eg; the original endings were fine for me, as a Paragon Shep). But as much as I am able to recall, I do not score or write reviews without having played the game itself.

Metacritic allows anyone -user or not - to score and write reviews. Plus, the math used to score on the site is skewed; flawed. Here is an older article; the last time I considered the site to be useful:

http://www.brainygam...metacritic.html

Good article, thanks for sharing.

[X Equestris]

What is hurting the game industry is paid reviews and fanboys.

Always you and "fanboys". Is it just maybe possible that people like the game because they do, and not because they were paid off whatever?

[outlaw1109]

Always you and "fanboys". Is it just maybe possible that people like the game because they do, and not because they were paid off whatever?

No.  Origins was the best, regardless of whether or not people like it.  If you don't like it, your opinion is not valid.

He said sarcastically.

[ioannisdenton]

who the hell pays attention to metacritic and professional reviews anymore??

Professional reviewing is backing down at last.
User score is prone to fanboyism with extreme usage of extreme scores. -like he game 10/10 - dislike the game 1/10
Who on their sane minds rate DaI with a 1/10?? lots of people.
So ditch Mc scores, let it die.
Check some gameplay, check youtubers you like (i like angrycentaurgaming a lot though he does not like this game much) and check the past of the developer if you are experienced in that developer. Example i will certain dislike any game from infinity ward due to their past, i will certainly love/like any bioware game.

[Zwingtanz]

who the hell pays attention to metacritic and professional reviews anymore??

Professional reviewing is backing down at last.
User score is prone to fanboyism with extreme usage of extreme scores. -like he game 10/10 - dislike the game 1/10
Who on their sane minds rate DaI with a 1/10?? lots of people.
So ditch Mc scores, let it die.
Check some gameplay, check youtubers you like (i like angrycentaurgaming a lot though he does not like this game much) and check the past of the developer if you are experienced in that developer. Example i will certain dislike any game from infinity ward due to their past, i will certainly love/like any bioware game.

Word of mouth is where it's at.

[ioannisdenton]

Word of mouth is where it's at.

true but whole having in mind that person's preferences in games.

[st0ra]

Metacritc is a still very valuable source, if you ignore the scored less than 50 or the straight out 100's.

Reading the users that score games around 50 or 90, tend to give the best reviews.

I think this game will settle around 70-75 which is where it deserves to be.

[Wulfram]

3. In surveys they teach that about 800 results statistically obtains a credible average. Today Metacritic can achieve that amount.

A random or balanced sample of 800, yes. With a self selected sample (like Metacritic user reviews) it really doesn't matter how many people you've got, it's always going to be very vulnerable to bias even if you have thousands or hundreds of thousands of responses.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

I didn't use metacritic, I just based my assessment of whether to buy it off of 2 months of BSN response.

 

From that, I gathered that it was a solid 7 to 7.5 out of ten (not referring to a "Pro" scale that begins at 6, here, but a true 1-10 score range) with numerous technical issues that were a particular problem on PC, but less so on console (XBone can only handle 720p, so it's far from perfect, itself.)

 

I set my expectations accordingly, and bought it assuming that I wasn't going to get something that sucked me in the way Origins did. I also made sure to wait until the price came down by about 25%.

 

Overall, I'm content. I'm not blown away by the game, but I am enjoying it. It has problems, but they don't bother me as much at $50 as they would have at $70. Mostly, I didn't go into it with sky-high expectations, the way I did with DA 2.

 

I suppose... I have BSN to thank for that.

 

So, thanks to the rest of you, since it was your highly varied opinions that I used.

[frankf43]

The PS4 figures are completely different from the PC ones on the PS4 it scored a respectable 7.4 but more importantly it had 161 positive reviews compared to only 31 negative reviews. That means that 5 people like the game for every person who hated it.

[Solbranthius]

I haven't bothered taking reviews into account for a fair few years now. It doesn't matter what the subject is, be it a restaurant, book, movie or video game - a lot of reviewers, even the so called 'professionals' are so laughably biased and cynical that it's hard for me to take them seriously.

 

I honestly think a lot of them have such high expectations that they struggle to enjoy anything, making them a liability when people end up listening to their advice. Obviously some products are outright awful and deserve a lot of bad reviews, especially if issues are never addressed or are very dire. Yet many people seem to assume that because something isn't custom tailored to their personal expectations that is the worst thing ever.

 

It's immature and silly.

[JCAP]

Just watch this:

http://youtu.be/a8GUBghmS7E?t=5m30s

 

Enough said