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[Metalunatic]

The first mistake of people judging games by their metacritic scores was when they visited the site.

[Sanunes]

I will look for places to find player's reviews to see what they are saying along with the critical reviews from websites.  I will not trust Metacritic especially after Mass Effect 3 they could actually prove that people were intentionally creating accounts just to destroy the score, of course they removed those scores, but at the same time when they only detected because the reviews were identical how many were still fraudulent?

[hong]

It's funny when people say that DA:I/DA:2 are "dumbed down"....and they hold Origins in such high regard...

yet...

I remember a few years ago now, what people said about DA:O:  that it was a "dumbed down console port".

Hah. I remember a decade ago, people were saying that BG1 was a "dumbed down computer port".

Actually it's almost two decades now....

[Lord of Mu]

The first mistake of people judging games by their metacritic scores was when they visited the site.

 

 

Hah! Actually that's quite true.

[Andrew Lucas]

Honestly, Some fans just like to hate now, especially after ME3. Lots of people think that they know more than everyone working at Bioware. I don't see that changing anytime soon, the fandom is more unpredictable than Game Of Thrones writer. DAI is a great game, maybe even better than Origins.

[outlaw1109]

Honestly, Some fans just like to hate now, especially after ME3. Lots of people think that they know more than everyone working at Bioware. I don't see that changing anytime soon, the fandom is more unpredictable than Game Of Thrones writer. DAI is a great game, maybe even better than Origins.

The "free DLC" exploit is absolutely ridiculous.  There are a few topics that are practically Christmas wishlists already and I don't think people understand how silly it sounds.  PATCHES, on the other hand, to fix bugs (NOT add additional content) is logical, but to say "I hate this game, BioWare should make reparations by adding more hairstyles."  Is just indicative as to how much "hate" truly exists.
 

I'm not really sure Origins and Inquisition should be compared side by side.  Maybe if they were both released this year, or were both made with the same engine, but the two are so vastly different, saying one is greater than the other isn't really fair for either game...IMO.

 

 

Hah. I remember a decade ago, people were saying that BG1 was a "dumbed down computer port".

Actually it's almost two decades now....

I wasn't around for that one.  I've only dabbled in BG (had life going on at that time), but NWN heralded the cries for less complexity/better graphics/in game voices and, as per BioWare protocol, the repair of bugs.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

The "free DLC" exploit is absolutely ridiculous.  There are a few topics that are practically Christmas wishlists already and I don't think people understand how silly it sounds.  PATCHES, on the other hand, to fix bugs (NOT add additional content) is logical, but to say "I hate this game, BioWare should make reparations by adding more hairstyles."  Is just indicative as to how much "hate" truly exists.
 
I'm not really sure Origins and Inquisition should be compared side by side.  Maybe if they were both released this year, or were both made with the same engine, but the two are so vastly different, saying one is greater than the other isn't really fair for either game...IMO.
 

Yup, little problems that people make a huge deal about it. It's like searching for something to hate if there isn't something that controversial like in the previous games. That's the vibe that I'm getting around here.

You have a point. Then, let's say that I have more fun playing Inquisition. More immersed, engaged and addicted. Origins did these things to me as well, but Inquisition did more

[Destello]

Defenders just missing the point: Nobody cares about critics, critics only expose how disappointed the player-base is.

 

Also Metacritic seems very accurate when games punished by players are only those who changed their genera:  Diablo 1-2 are hardcore ARPG while Diablo 3 is Hack'n Slash dumbed for consoles, people who liked Diablo 1-2, with builds, stats, offline, lan, etc, why should like Diablo 3 without all of those features? Is it so hard to understand? So Diablo 1-2 player-base (we, the people who made famous the saga) were moved to Path of Exile while Diablo 3 remains populated with WoW players (and bots).

 

And please, stop arguing about fake accounts. Fanboys does not create fake accounts too? (and in greater proportions?...)

 

And DAO was dumbed for consoles too? We don't know because is the first DA, all that we know is that DAO is RPG, with mod support, and tactical battles. While DA2-DAI, both are A-RPG, with NO mod support, and tactical battles are a bad joke. Do you like the past? Ok, Baldur's Gate was amazing and Baldur's Gate 2 was the same, but improved, in more quantity and better shape, can we say the same of DA2 or DAI?

 

I don't know why is so hard to see those HUGE changes in the saga.

[Vader20]

Divinity Original Sin has pretty good user scores on Metacritic..... So the issue here is with DAI or the so called haters who are giving bad reviews ?

[robertthebard]

Defenders just missing the point: Nobody cares about critics, critics only expose how disappointed the player-base is.
 
Also Metacritic seems very accurate when games punished by players are only those who changed their genera:  Diablo 1-2 are hardcore ARPG while Diablo 3 is Hack'n Slash dumbed for consoles, people who liked Diablo 1-2, with builds, stats, offline, lan, etc, why should like Diablo 3 without all of those features? Is it so hard to understand? So Diablo 1-2 player-base (we, the people who made famous the saga) were moved to Path of Exile while Diablo 3 remains populated with WoW players (and bots).
 
And please, stop arguing about fake accounts. Fanboys does not create fake accounts too? (and in greater proportions?...)
 
And DAO was dumbed for consoles too? We don't know because is the first DA, all that we know is that DAO is RPG, with mod support, and tactical battles. While DA2-DAI, both are A-RPG, with NO mod support, and tactical battles are a bad joke. Do you like the past? Ok, Baldur's Gate was amazing and Baldur's Gate 2 was the same, but improved, in more quantity and better shape, can we say the same of DA2 or DAI?
 
I don't know why is so hard to see those HUGE changes in the saga.

Haters gonna hate? If all you need to write a review is an account at Metacritic, how reliable is a review? I mean, some of the reviews are what, reviews of other's reviews? In order to be considered part of the player base, don't you actually to be a part of the player base?

I have, and continue to come down hard on the skill limit. It was one of my "Points of Contention" even prior to release. I came down hard on the side of MP not affecting SP, a minor victory, but a victory all the same. I have issues with how the PC version was treated overall, and have even pointed out the fact that BioWare started out addressing those issues, and will note that the PC issues thread is still active, and still getting Dev attention. There are parts of this game that really irritate me, but I didn't run to Metacritic and give the game a 0 because there weren't any hairstyles I liked, or because someone else wrote a scathing review that I then essentially copy/pasted as my own. In fact, I don't even have an account there, because I refuse to use it as a source of information.

[hong]

Divinity Original Sin has pretty good user scores on Metacritic..... So the issue here is with DAI or the so called haters who are giving bad reviews ?

The haters who are giving bad reviews.

Any system that is open to voting by anyone is susceptible to distortions. Those distortions are a function of the overall context for the product in question: the overall relationship between a company and its customers; the evolution and history of a product line; any unique circumstances for the product itself; and so on. The actual quality of the product is just one of the factors that influences its user score, and can easily be overwhelmed by other considerations. This is particularly so when those considerations are negative, since those feeling aggrieved tend to hold those feelings more intensely than those who are new, and satisfied customers. Basically, teh haterz will hate (and are more likely to voice their feedback), while everyone else gets on with life (and playing the game).

[hong]

Also Metacritic seems very accurate when games punished by players are only those who changed their genera

Exactly. It has nothing to do with whether the game is good or not.

[Arakiel12409]

"cannot romance a dragon 0/10"

summarizes Metacritic rather well in regard to its credibility.

[Vader20]

The haters who are giving bad reviews.

Any system that is open to voting by anyone is susceptible to distortions. Those distortions are a function of the overall context for the product in question: the overall relationship between a company and its customers; the evolution and history of a product line; any unique circumstances for the product itself; and so on. The actual quality of the product is just one of the factors that influences its user score, and can easily be overwhelmed by other considerations. This is particularly so when those considerations are negative, since those feeling aggrieved tend to hold those feelings more intensely than those who are new, and satisfied customers. Basically, teh haterz will hate (and are more likely to voice their feedback), while everyone else gets on with life (and playing the game).

Ok, but many things the haters are complaining about are real issues in the game and you can find a lot similar complaints here on the forums. Sometimes I don't know what to think about the game. I love it, but also hate it... I love it for it's lore, the world they've created, the characters are nice, graphics, the story.. even though it's pretty weak it has some good parts. And I hate it because it feels like an MMO.... and because of the streamlining. Why the hell would you remove things that players loved in the previous games ? I am not saying that we should have a game that is exactly like DAO or DA2... but they should keep the things that WORKED in previous games and add new things for the newer game. This is what I call... progress.  In this game it's like they ditched a lot of good things from the previous instalments  that would have made DAI a lot better.

 

This MMOishness of the game makes me think that we won't get to see a single player DA4... It will probably go MMO like KOTOR did.

[hong]

Ok, but many things the haters are complaining about are real issues in the game and you can find a lot similar complaints here on the forums.

That these issues exist is a fact. The weight, or emphasis, or importance, that you assign to them is an opinion.

Sometimes I don't know what to think about the game. I love it, but also hate it... I love it for it's lore, the world they've created, the characters are nice, graphics, the story.. even though it's pretty weak it has some good parts. And I hate it because it feels like an MMO.... and because of the streamlining.

Who cares if it feels like an MMO (hint: it doesn't), as long as you have fun?

Why the hell would you remove things that players loved in the previous games ?

Who cares if you remove things that "players" (plural) loved, as long as you (a player, singular) don't miss them?

I am not saying that we should have a game that is exactly like DAO or DA2... but they should keep the things that WORKED in previous games

That things worked in previous games is a fact. Determining which things worked is an opinion.

and add new things for the newer game. This is what I call... progress.  In this game it's like they ditched a lot of good things from the previous instalments  that would have made DAI a lot better.

I instigate progress; you cause change; they make a mess of things.

This MMOishness of the game makes me think that we won't get to see a single player DA4... It will probably go MMO like KOTOR did.

Play moar MMOs.

[Vader20]

That these issues exist is a fact. The weight, or emphasis, or importance, that you assign to them is an opinion.




Who cares if you remove things that "players" (plural) loved, as long as you (a player, singular) don't miss them?


 

Well, I sure as hell miss them.. and so do many other players.

[Akka le Vil]

Haters gonna hate? If all you need to write a review is an account at Metacritic, how reliable is a review?

 

Obviously more reliable than the "professionnals" who ends up always praising AAA titles, and sneakily change their notes when said titles ends up being disasters (DA2, remember ?).

 

Obviously, plenty of false accounts to hate a game, but also plenty to praise it - it kind of cancels out in the end. Of course Metacritics is useless at fine-tuning, but to get a rough idea if a game is controversial or not, it's a pretty good indicator, and I found it much more relevant than most other critics.

[hong]

Well, I sure as hell miss them..

We see. We accept that you may thus feel aggrieved at the loss of certain features in previous games; nevertheless, we am sure that there will be others who do not feel the same way.

and so do many other players.

And many others do not.

[robertthebard]

Obviously more reliable than the "professionnals" who ends up always praising AAA titles, and sneakily change their notes when said titles ends up being disasters (DA2, remember ?).
 
Obviously, plenty of false accounts to hate a game, but also plenty to praise it - it kind of cancels out in the end. Of course Metacritics is useless at fine-tuning, but to get a rough idea if a game is controversial or not, it's a pretty good indicator, and I found it much more relevant than most other critics.

So you need other people to tell you what you should think? I know I made that mistake once, when deciding whether or not to buy DA 2, I totally let the BSN jade me against buying it. A year later? I was kicking myself in the ass for allowing myself to be misled by a forum, even after years of experience on gaming forums, knowing damn good and well that the disenfranchised are the most vocal people on a forum. The irony is that while I was buying the upgrades for this rig for this game, I got into a conversation about DA 2 with the only other customer in my PC parts house. We both had the same conclusion: The game wasn't bad, overall, some glaring issues notwithstanding, it was just different from what people were expecting. But even with those issues, I couldn't, in good conscience, give the game a 0/10. If I were to review it now, it would get a solid 7/10, with waves and recycled areas being my primary negatives.

[Akka le Vil]

So you need other people to tell you what you should think?

 

Woah, you really put a lot of independant thoughts in order to get the most classically stupid cliché out of the canned answers stash, didn't you ?

[st0ra]

All that glitters is not gold, DA:I certainly looks glamorous with its shiny graphics, fairly big world to explore & decent voice acting, Beyond that it is a shallow experience with an illusion of choice, little replay value unless you like doing pointless fetch quests, its becomes extremely tedious. Not to mention the on going fight with the clunky controls.

DA:I doesn't know what it wants to be, the result is a hybrid mess that tries to cater to the masses. For a PC game its a watered down experience that leaves a bitter after taste of what it could have been. Though given the amount of shoddy shovelware console gamers are used to, I can understand why this game gets rated so high. That's all this game is...

A good CONSOLE game.

[hong]

Woah, you really put a lot of independant thoughts in order to get the most classically stupid cliché out of the canned answers stash, didn't you ?

That's not the most stupid cliche. The most stupid cliche is

What is hurting the game industry is paid reviews and fanboys.

Actually, no, that's not the most stupid cliche either. The most stupid cliche is

dumbing down

Actually, no, that's not the most stupid cliche either. The most stupid cliche is

slap in the face

Yes, that is the most stupid cliche.

[robertthebard]

Woah, you really put a lot of independant thoughts in order to get the most classically stupid cliché out of the canned answers stash, didn't you ?

That's the problem with cherry picking a post to comment on isn't it? If you'd bother to read the rest of it, you'd be able to see what I was actually saying, or, if you really do need sites like metacritic, perhaps you wouldn't? Instead of slamming me, you more or less just bore out what I was trying to say in my post, so thanks for proving my point?

[Destello]

Still missing the point, nobody wants to change your tastes, Wii Sports is the best-selling game in history, most people is casual, that is a fact, and marketing division in EA knows it. Metacritic user score, is just an indicator to Devs about the reception of its game.

 

It is a pity that Bioware lost the leadership in canonic RPG videogames, leaving the place to self-financed indies as Divinity Original Sin. Dragon Age franchise has loss its identity; it was RPG with mod support, now is ARPG with no mod support, another generic AAA among thousands of similar ARPGs which still having their identity as Elder Scrolls (and mod support)...

 

Haters gonna hate? If all you need to write a review is an account at Metacritic, how reliable is a review? I mean, some of the reviews are what, reviews of other's reviews? In order to be considered part of the player base, don't you actually to be a part of the player base?

I have, and continue to come down hard on the skill limit. It was one of my "Points of Contention" even prior to release. I came down hard on the side of MP not affecting SP, a minor victory, but a victory all the same. I have issues with how the PC version was treated overall, and have even pointed out the fact that BioWare started out addressing those issues, and will note that the PC issues thread is still active, and still getting Dev attention. There are parts of this game that really irritate me, but I didn't run to Metacritic and give the game a 0 because there weren't any hairstyles I liked, or because someone else wrote a scathing review that I then essentially copy/pasted as my own. In fact, I don't even have an account there, because I refuse to use it as a source of information.

Hatters gonna hate? Ok, but why only seems to hate games that changes its genera like DA2, DAI, Diablo 3, Dungeon Siege 3, Sacred 3, or were seriously dumbed for consoles as Crysis 2-3, etc... they don't punish straight games as Skyrim, The Witcher, etc, so why haters are so selective? Don't you think that it is a justified reaction?

 

Exactly. It has nothing to do with whether the game is good or not.

Of course, could be a good casual game, I don't care; the user-score is about how disappointing was for its traditional player-base.

[hong]

Of course, could be a good casual game,

It could also be a good traditional game.

I don't care; the user-score is about how disappointing was for its traditional player-base.

Irrelevant for anyone who isn't in the traditional playerbase. Also irrelevant for anyone who is in the traditional playerbase and is flexible enough to accommodate change.