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I'm still wondering why Hawke decided to play messenger when he was supposed to be helping kill Corypheus.

 

Hawke already failed to kill him in DA II because he's not Tainted. Also, Corypheus was not at his all-powerful stage yet.

 

In DAI, Corypheus had time to build up his forces and hone his powers. Hawke helping to kill Corypheus again at a time like this would be like throwing eggs at a wall. The only way to deal with Corypheus is to send him back into the Fade and only the Inquisitor can do that. The best Hawke could do is to warn the other uncorrupted Wardens.



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Ok, here's the best I can answer going off my own understanding.

1. This may not be an oversight; I warn you, there's some spoilers ahead regarding the book 'The Calling' and an important character in the DA Universe:

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2. Same reason Leliana said the Warden and Champion's dissapearance 'couldn't be a coincedence' or Morrigan seems to have forgotten whatever important revelation she had about her mother at the end of Witch Hunt - the writers of the game wrote themselves into a corner, and decided to write themselves out of it at the expense of making the characters look stupid. They clearly didn't plan for this 'Calling cure' business back when writing the DA2 ending.

3. The Warden was written 'out' because we'll never be able to have them back, properly - back in DA:O, your character's personality was nuanced and decided by you depending on the situation. Now, in current DA, they will have to have a personality and a voice that may not match what players believe their characters would act like, nor what they recall their Wardens sounding like (if I recall there was something like 6 VAs per gender in DA:O - no chance of getting them all back in to voice even a cameo). A lot of players will be upset that their Warden is no longer 'theirs' because it'll be impossible to 'get them right' for many people. That being said, the Warden is a popular character, and Bioware understands that if they survived the Blight, they wouldn't just 'dissapear'. So this 'Calling cure' was made to distract them and give a reason, no matter how flimsy, why the person who stopped the Blight is somehow unavailable to help the Inquisition save the world. The only way we'll see the Warden back is in a silent cameo, or as the player character (which is unlikley, considering they may be dead for a lot of players).

4. No, a Grey Warden who is cured of the taint cannot hear or sense any Darkspawn. This is evident in Fiona and the answer to question 1's behaviour. Grey Wardens are needed to kill Archdemons because, when an Archdemon dies, it's soul seeks out the nearest Darkspawn to possess - Darkspawn are souless creatures, so the Archdemon's soul fills it not unlike an empty vial. But a Grey Warden 'confuses' this process - the Archdemon's soul is tricked into being drawn into the Grey Warden themself as the nearest 'Darkspawn', due to the taint. But a Grey Warden is not an empty vial - they have souls. So when the two souls colide, they are destroyed; this is why a Grey Warden must be the one to kill an Archdemon, or it will just body hop whenever their current body is defeated.

5. If becoming Divine, Leliana's priorities probably change - she can't shirk the responsibility, and she realises she's probably the best hope for enacting real change so can't leave it to anyone else. When not becomming Divine then, she either plans to try and recruit the Warden into the Inquisition, or it's forgetful writing on the writer's part.

6. It's never specifically stated when the Warden-Commander leaves Vigil's Keep; the closest we get is that they stay 'for a time' or 'a few years'. Technically, a decade is 'a few years', so they could leave any time after DA:I and still be consistant with the Epilogue. It's best to recall that the Epilogues themselves have, unfortunately, become non-canon for the most part - the writers of Dragon Age pretty much ignore them whenever they write new games, so don't take it as 100% fact.

Hope these answers have helped a bit.


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3. The Warden was written 'out' because we'll never be able to have them back, properly - back in DA:O, your character's personality was nuanced and decided by you depending on the situation. Now, in current DA, they will have to have a personality and a voice that may not match what players believe their characters would act like, nor what they recall their Wardens sounding like (if I recall there was something like 6 VAs per gender in DA:O - no chance of getting them all back in to voice even a cameo). A lot of players will be upset that their Warden is no longer 'theirs' because it'll be impossible to 'get them right' for many people. That being said, the Warden is a popular character, and Bioware understands that if they survived the Blight, they wouldn't just 'dissapear'. So this 'Calling cure' was made to distract them and give a reason, no matter how flimsy, why the person who stopped the Blight is somehow unavailable to help the Inquisition save the world. The only way we'll see the Warden back is in a silent cameo, or as the player character (which is unlikley, considering they may be dead for a lot of players).
 

 

I suppose getting the right VA for the Warden can be quite problematic. I can’t say for other players out there but any VA would do just fine. I’m not satisfied with the VA in Origins anyway due to the fact that most of the VA in Origins were heavily reused. Even though Bioware can't give us the ideal Warden, I'd rather see the character appear just the same. It's always "so near and yet so far" when it comes to the Hero of Ferelden. 

 

From what I've seen in DAI, Bioware did a good job of giving the Inquisitor more than just the three personalities of Hawke, you know, like stoic/violent/emotional/witty/optimistic/etc. It almost covered all the available personalities of the VAs in Origins (Wise, Surly, Violent, Suave, etc.). In fact, it seems that Bioware is bringing back a little bit of Origins into DAI (the conversation choices in DAI are diverse, much like the ones in Origins). Even if the Warden's dead, the Warden-Commander of Ferelden from Orlais will do nicely. Bioware could work on these but I suppose it's too much for them to handle.

 

And thanks for the explanations btw.


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This is exactly why Divine Justinia V earned the ire of so many Grand Clerics upon her ascension to the Sunburst Throne due to her "colourful" past. Naturally, a ruling Divine would avoid anything scandalous, you know, that will result in rebellions, assassinations, discontent and other political ramifications bla bla bla... Hey leadership by example right? Everyone looks to the Divine for leadership and guidance in times of crisis. A worldly Divine as the leader of the faith? I don't know... The Divine can only handle so much political chaos. The same can be said for Cassandra too if the Inquisitor romanced her and support her candidacy in becoming the next Divine.

Having a spouse is only scandalous if the religion says so.   Orthodox and Protestant christian clergy can be married, while catholic ones can't.  Other religions have other rules.



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1) in origins it was stated if alister becomes king he wont get active for the grey wardens again, even through i am sure he hears the calling.

 

2) it actually makes a little more sense if you romanced alister and he stayed a grey warden. Alister mentiones not only the west but fiona and a 2nd person, which in the end is the reason why the warden went to look for the cure, while they "disscussed" that Alister stays and looks into the corythingy. Liliana told me that the warden is her most trusted friend, i am sure in my world state, if she knew she would hide it to protect her.

 

3) acording to my playthroughs my warden was already in the west before the breach was there so i dont think i can answer that for you

 

4) fiona cant hear it and an other user posted the explaintation about the calling

 

5) no idea, never romanced her, never will

 

6) lets put it that way, even cullen gets called knight commander and he isnt anymore either ;)


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And seriously… “a land that have never known the Blight”? How can a cure for the Calling end up in a place that hasn’t seen Darkspawn before?

 

There may be something in that so called land that protects it from unnatural resources like the Blight, my two pence is that the land it self holds some sort of defending agent that acts like a shiled for infections and maybe that can be used as a cure



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If curing the Calling means getting rid of Grey Warden abilities, then who will kill an Archdemon if the Blight ever happens? It's like putting an end to the order and the only people who can stop Blights are the Grey Wardens. With no one else to kill the Archdemon? I'd say the cure for the Calling is as worse as letting the Blight ravage all across Thedas unimpeded.

Well, no. Whether you cure a Warden of the calling or not, that particular Warden is gone.



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After playing DAI, there are just so many things going on wrong in the game and I hope someone here can clarify the situation for me. So if anyone needs some explaining done by all means, please put your questions in this thread.

 

1. Alistair is dead in my story. For me, Loghain was hiding out from the crazed Wardens and ignoring the calling because he knew it was a trick, in desperation the Wardens turned to the Venatori for help. So glad I killed off Alistair, the story seems to make much more sense without him in it.

 

2. My Warden went into the Eluvian with a romanced Morrigan. She tells us that they lived within the Eluvian for a time but the Warden left to find a way to remove the taint from his system because he doesn't want to die in the deep roads (totally my headcanon made canon :D ). Their son couldn't go with him and that is why she left the Eluvian and took their son with her.  They are still very much together and she even arranges contact with him for the Inquisitor.  As for a land that hasn't had a Blight, it could be a reason behind that, the location could have some sort of immunity.  Although I don't  think Morrigan mentions that in my playthrough, she just says he went far away and their son couldn't go with them so she chose to stay with their son.

 

3. The Wardens were being controlled. Loghain attests to that as well as Hawke with a Grey Warden Carver. Clarel was being controlled and manipluated. It was only until the Venatori was exposed that she got some sense. Remember, the calling started first with no explanation. So Wardens were following it and dying. The Venatori stepped in to "help" after the fact. So I'm sure the lessened the urge to go on the Calling once they had Clarel on a leash. By then the Warden was probably long gone.  Seems like keeping Loghain alive gives us a better story, IMO. I can't judge by how Alistair/Stroud handled it but Loghain mentions his problems with the Calling and how he escaped.

 

4. From what I got out of Morrigan, My Warden was curing himself not all Grey Wardens but if he was then I can see it as a Temporary long term solution incase Cory is sticking around for a while. Cure the Grey Wardens to stop the calling, create new Wardens elsewhere if a Blight hits. Either way everyone is screwed. If Cory could start a Blight with the Grey Wardens on his side then what's the point in having them anyway? Also Fiona says the tanit was completely gone which is why she was kicked out the Wardens.

 

5. That sucks. Vivenne became the Divine in my story. Leliana started to sound totally batshyt crazy IMO. She wanted to mass convert the world. :blink:

 

6. I would think that the Hero to an entire country, hero of the Blight before it even began, and Official Prince Consort (unoffical King of Fereldan) can keep any title he likes :lol:



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Wibbley wobbley timey wimey. 

 

There's a ding when there's stuff.

 

There's clearly plans for Bioware to continue the Dragon Age series, and the next Volume of World of Thedas does promise to show us what lies beyond the Amaranthine Ocean and Par Vollen. I'm hoping for Asia-inspired lands personally but we'll see.



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I'm still wondering why Hawke decided to play messenger when he was supposed to be helping kill Corypheus.

because someone had to



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Having a spouse is only scandalous if the religion says so.   Orthodox and Protestant christian clergy can be married, while catholic ones can't.  Other religions have other rules.

 

To ascend through the ranks of the Chantry hierarchy, initiates are supposed to take vows of celibacy.

 

If that still isn't the case then I don't understand it at all why Chantry initiates must celibate whereas later on when she becomes the Divine, she is allowed more privileges.



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All in all, I think the cure for the Calling will be misused by some who are not committed to the Order if its usage is not properly regulated. From what I gather, becoming a Warden is a lifelong commitment. You don't become a Warden just for the fun of it. If a Warden feels that he/she is nearing death's doorstep, using the cure would be wise and he/she can continue to serve the Order as veterans or retire, as stated by others.

 

Then again, not all Wardens have spotless honour. I can imagine some of them be like "Damn, the Blight's comin'... Time to abandon ship... *use Calling cure*... Done." 

 

Risky, if the Blight ever happens and soiled everybody's drawers.



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3. The Warden was written 'out' because we'll never be able to have them back, properly - back in DA:O, your character's personality was nuanced and decided by you depending on the situation. Now, in current DA, they will have to have a personality and a voice that may not match what players believe their characters would act like, nor what they recall their Wardens sounding like (if I recall there was something like 6 VAs per gender in DA:O - no chance of getting them all back in to voice even a cameo). A lot of players will be upset that their Warden is no longer 'theirs' because it'll be impossible to 'get them right' for many people. That being said, the Warden is a popular character, and Bioware understands that if they survived the Blight, they wouldn't just 'dissapear'. So this 'Calling cure' was made to distract them and give a reason, no matter how flimsy, why the person who stopped the Blight is somehow unavailable to help the Inquisition save the world. The only way we'll see the Warden back is in a silent cameo, or as the player character (which is unlikley, considering they may be dead for a lot of players).
 

Plus, they'd have to revamp the combat system back to you know... a non console based ruleset. I would adore my Dual Wield Warrior back. Sadly the only way I see the warden coming back is in DLC-cope out or in the final game of this whole arc/series to bring it full circle.



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Dunno about those, but I have one... who told you about the Problem in Redcliffe when you are in Val Royeaux? It looks like Fiona, but Fiona insists it couldn't have been her. Did I miss the answer to this?

Fiona was probably trying to pretend she didn't call you to protect herself, since her rebelion had been taken over by Alexius, and he probably wouldn't aprove of the former leader of the mages coming up with new alliances, also, Dorian mentions something about Alexius having gone back in time to steal the mages from the inquisitor, so maybe it never even takes place in her mind



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Dunno about those, but I have one... who told you about the Problem in Redcliffe when you are in Val Royeaux? It looks like Fiona, but Fiona insists it couldn't have been her. Did I miss the answer to this?

Fiona was probably trying to pretend she didn't call you to protect herself, since her rebelion had been taken over by Alexius, and he probably wouldn't aprove of the former leader of the mages coming up with new alliances, also, Dorian mentions something about Alexius having gone back in time to steal the mages from the inquisitor, so maybe it never even takes place in her mind



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I was wondering also this:Why Morrigan is not surprised at all seeing Flementh alive- if your Warden killed her? Did I miss some context, does she mention this at all? Ok she is surprised at discovering Flemeth's true identity, but she is not questioning how she is alive once they meet? I mean not telling that to Flementh- oh but I made you be killed! But at least some hint in later convo with the inqui, or in the Fade?Why she was hiding her son from Flemeth if she should be thinking of Flemeth as being dead? Am I overhinking this?:)
I am also wondering if ther will be any consequence of warden killing or not killing Flemeth to obtain the Grimoire. She survives that by the horcrux Hawke is delivering to the elven camp, but she wont be any weaker?

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I was wondering also this:Why Morrigan is not surprised at all seeing Flementh alive- if your Warden killed her? Did I miss some context, does she mention this at all? Ok she is surprised at discovering Flemeth's true identity, but she is not questioning how she is alive once they meet? I mean not telling that to Flementh- oh but I made you be killed! But at least some hint in later convo with the inqui, or in the Fade?Why she was hiding her son from Flemeth if she should be thinking of Flemeth as being dead? Am I overhinking this? :)
I am also wondering if ther will be any consequence of warden killing or not killing Flemeth to obtain the Grimoire. She survives that by the horcrux Hawke is delivering to the elven camp, but she wont be any weaker?

As I recall, Morrigan even tells you in DAO that killing Flemeth won't be permanent, she'd come back.

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As I recall, Morrigan even tells you in DAO that killing Flemeth won't be permanent, she'd come back.


Oh thanks. I played DAO zillion times but I did not remember this somehow.

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This is exactly why Divine Justinia V earned the ire of so many Grand Clerics upon her ascension to the Sunburst Throne due to her "colourful" past. Naturally, a ruling Divine would avoid anything scandalous, you know, that will result in rebellions, assassinations, discontent and other political ramifications bla bla bla... Hey leadership by example right? Everyone looks to the Divine for leadership and guidance in times of crisis. A worldly Divine as the leader of the faith? I don't know... The Divine can only handle so much political chaos. The same can be said for Cassandra too if the Inquisitor romanced her and support her candidacy in becoming the next Divine.

 

It's safe to say that when Leliana became Divine whatever "earned the ire" of Grand Clerics became irrelevant. Leliana assassinated any sects that rose in opposition to her and is now in control. She can put the spurs to the Warden whenever she wants.



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Fiona was probably trying to pretend she didn't call you to protect herself, since her rebelion had been taken over by Alexius, and he probably wouldn't aprove of the former leader of the mages coming up with new alliances, also, Dorian mentions something about Alexius having gone back in time to steal the mages from the inquisitor, so maybe it never even takes place in her mind

I think they may have explained this. The Fiona we met in Val Royeaux is the real Fiona asking help from the Inquisiton. But Alexius then used time magic to turn back time to ally and control the mages, so that way Fiona didnt come to us. Thats why Fiona doesnt remember asking for our help. Thing is how come we remember to go to Redcliffe and seek her out. 

The Lord Lucius we met at Val Royeaux isnt the real one though, that was a demon in disguise. Thats why Cassandra was confused why he acted/behaved so differently. The real Lord Lucius was at Therinfal Redoubt whom we later killed after accepting the mages.

In my state, The Hero of Ferelden romanced Morrigan. She explained that the HoF is too far away looking for a cure to help us anyway. Maybe Leliana found out where HoF went from Morrigan, hence the operation? I think canon-wise, Bioware has chosen that the HoF romanced Morrigan, which is why he is missing in DA2 and Leliana has no idea where he is.

Cory's calling isnt a real calling, its a 'bluff' to make them think its real and hence control them, the warden companion was suspicious of this so he was investigating this and was attempting to stop Clarel. Fiona isnt a Grey Warden anymore, she said she was somehow cured of the taint, so she cant hear any Calling.



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That was time travel. Alexius went back in time and changed that so Fiona never went there but you still remember.


If the meeting never happened, how do I remember it?

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If the meeting never happened, how do I remember it?


I think Dorian explains that the time machination is only impacting a local area so it did affect Fiona but not the Inquisitor.

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It could also be the mark, since the magic is related to the rift. Also known as the anchor.

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If curing the Calling means getting rid of Grey Warden abilities, then who will kill an Archdemon if the Blight ever happens? It's like putting an end to the order and the only people who can stop Blights are the Grey Wardens. With no one else to kill the Archdemon? I'd say the cure for the Calling is as worse as letting the Blight ravage all across Thedas unimpeded.

A cure for the Calling could also be used on the darkspawn. That's what the Architect is after, if you remember Awakening.



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A cure for the Calling could also be used on the darkspawn. That's what the Architect is after, if you remember Awakening.

But he found his, it won't work on Grey Wardens.