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[Vanth]

You are missing the point. You can't tell if it is unwelcome because your subordinate may be so intimidated by your position that she goes along with it as if she is willing.

[Former_Fiend]

You are missing the point. You can't tell if it is unwelcome because your subordinate may be so intimidated by your position that she goes along with it as if she is willing.

 

I'm going to make the assumption that Bioware isn't going to write a character to do that, and that if they are, they're going to give me the chance to clarify that point with a "I'm not making you uncomfortable, am I?" option.

 

Metagaming, maybe, but it is what it is. 

[Bann Duncan]

I'm going to make the assumption that Bioware isn't going to write a character to do that, and that if they are, they're going to give me the chance to clarify that point with a "I'm not making you uncomfortable, am I?" option.

 

Metagaming, maybe, but it is what it is. 

 

There's a dialogue option with Cassandra along those lines, incidentally.

[CuriousArtemis]

I've had female managers flirt with me; nothing came of it, didn't disrupt the work environment at all. Just created a relaxed, informal atmosphere. Is that going to be the same for everyone? No, of course not. 

 

But they (your managers) didn't know that, and you could have reported it and they could have been in serious trouble because of it. In short, don't do it. There's also a thing called third party sexual harassment. The flirtations between your manager and yourself could've been overheard by a third employee and that employee could've been made to feel uncomfortable. Then THAT employee could've filed a complaint.

 

In any event, the Inquisition isn't a work place. Orlais and Ferelden don't have laws saying who a person can or can't flirt with, regardless of whether or not some might believe they should be in place. 

 

That's what the OP was questioning: should the situation be treated as a workplace environment? It's more of a military situation. Also, the OP wasn't asking if the inquisitor would get in trouble with the state for flirting with a subordinate, so whether or not there are laws against sexual harassment in Thedas or not is irrelevant. The OP was wondering if anyone else simply found it creepy to flirt with someone who was your subordinate. 

[CuriousArtemis]

You are missing the point. You can't tell if it is unwelcome because your subordinate may be so intimidated by your position that she goes along with it as if she is willing.

 

There are only so many ways you can say the same thing lol At least now I know why they make us watch those stupid videos at work. 

[TheTurtle]

Her flirt responses vary the ones in main story areas are a little awkward, but I found her response to the one in the Emerald Graves was actually very receptive and kinda cute.

So I guess to ananswer your you question it really depends on which flirt we're about some are more awkward (wouldn't call it harassment) than others.

[Former_Fiend]

Alright, let me turn this around in a hypothetical. 

 

If Harding - or any romance option in the Inquisition, for that matter - was the one initiating the flirting and pursuing the relationship, would you feel that the Inquisitor had some sort of moral obligation to turn them down based on the authority they have?

[Who Knows]

The power dynamic is a legitimate point, but I don't see any reason to single out Scout Harding in particular. All of the romances (though, I'm wouldn't really call the flirtation with Harding a romance, exactly) are superior-to-subordinate.

[Hazegurl]

I only flirted with Harding once, when I mentioned she was the only good thing about being int he desert or something, she laughed and that was it. I didn't take the other flirt options. If your Inquisitor is a hapless flirt then flirt away. If not then don't flirt.  Or keep the flirting to a minimal.

[Former_Fiend]

The power dynamic is a legitimate point, but I don't see any reason to single out Scout Harding in particular. All of the romances (though, I'm wouldn't really call the flirtation with Harding a romance, exactly) are superior-to-subordinate.

 

Not initially. If anything, to start, Cullen and Cassandra outrank the Herald before Act II.

[Lord Surinen]

Do what thou wilt. You are an Inquisitor, their lives are yours to command.

[Rannik]

It must suck to live in constant fear of anyone being offended by something you say / do and get in trouble for it.

 

Thank god that's mostly a US thing, lets just hope it stays there.

[Former_Fiend]

Do what thou wilt. You are an Inquisitor, their lives are yours to command.

 

That's another thing; you don't get to turn the Inquisitor stuff off. A manager at a work place has off hours; they go to a bar, they're just a person. 

 

The Inquisitor is always the Inquisitor. You go to a bar, you're the Inquisitor. You go to the park, you're the Inquisitor. There's no down time. And by the end of the game, the Inquisitor more or less outranks everyone, up to and including the ruler of Orlais. The only exception being the new Divine, potentially, who you may well already be in a relationship with.

 

Point being, the Inquisitor doesn't get the luxury of having people they don't have some degree of influence over to choose from as romantic partners. So the option is accept that a person in a place of authority can pursue a romance without abusing that authority, or expect them to remain celibate for the rest of their lives. 

[Il Divo]

Don't get me wrong. I don't deny for a moment that sexual harassment happens; I've witnessed it first hand. Plenty of men and women in positions of authority abuse that authority in regards to pursuing those beneath them, and it's a disgusting practice. 

 

But I would argue that it is only harassment if it's unwelcome. You can't make someone out to be the victim when they don't consider them victimized. I've had female managers flirt with me; nothing came of it, didn't disrupt the work environment at all. Just created a relaxed, informal atmosphere. Is that going to be the same for everyone? No, of course not. 

 

And that's the problem. It's not the same for everyone. The power imbalance makes it quite literally impossible to observe who is comfortable with your actions as their superior and who (secretly or openly) isn't. Hence why there's a blanket ban on it, to prevent even the hypothetical "what if" from ever occurring. 

[Former_Fiend]

And that's the problem. It's not the same for everyone. The power imbalance makes it quite literally impossible to observe who is comfortable with your actions as their superior and who (secretly or openly) isn't. Hence why there's a blanket ban on it, to prevent even the hypothetical "what if" from ever occurring. 

 

Which is fine and well in the real world(in theory if not in practice). 

 

DAI isn't the real world and shouldn't have to reflect the real world in all respects. In the real world, each of us has more than eight potential significant others waiting for us out there in the wide world. 

[Lady Artifice]

It must suck to live in constant fear of anyone being offended by something you say / do and get in trouble for it.

 

Thank god that's mostly a US thing, lets just hope it stays there.

 

 

What. 

 

Also, It's hardly just a concern of offending someone, or of getting into trouble. It's possible to actually care about whether or not you're making someone feel vulnerable/victimized.

 

....That said-on a general note-I don't think the Harding flirts are harassment, since I don't read her as being made uncomfortable. I don't think she minds at all.  

[CuriousArtemis]

Well what Rubios perhaps fails to understand is that most men in America in higher up positions don't actually live in fear of getting in trouble because they are decent human beings and treat their employees with dignity and respect, and not potential hook-ups.

[Lady Artifice]

I'm going to make the assumption that Bioware isn't going to write a character to do that, and that if they are, they're going to give me the chance to clarify that point with a "I'm not making you uncomfortable, am I?" option.
 
Metagaming, maybe, but it is what it is.

This too. Sometimes it might be just as simple as trusting bioware not to write such a situation.

[DarthLaxian]

I hate to be that guy but I have no barometer for this sort of thing myself so . . . 

 

Is it really ok to be hitting on Scout Harding? She's your subordinate, you're a religious icon to her. Kind of has shades of Commander Shepard. On the one hand, so far at least she hasn't told me to stop. On the other hand, I know she's not a romance option for my character so she's not reciprocating. Honestly I'm just doing it at this point to see if the game will ever call me on it. 

 

But maybe I'm off base here. I want to stress I'm really not normally the hypersensitive politically correct guy (look through my posts if you need the proof). But I was curious what you all thought about this. 

 

Well, I felt like I was missing out on a great companion and romance (she is cool IMHO...puts a lot of what we have as characters to shame...same for the second in command of the chargers...I'd like both on my team )

 

greetings LAX

ps: It's not harassment if they seem ok with it and don't tell you to stop IMHO (how could you flirt at all, if everybody saw it as harassment but did not tell you -.-)

[Battlebloodmage]

Don't worry, it will never be as creepy as Shepard and James Vega. It's outright rape. Hitting on the guy even though he said he's uncomfortable with the idea. Getting him drunk enough to cloud his judgment. I still can't believe Bioware actually have that scene in there. Scout Harding seems more like harmless flirt like Cassandra didn't know you were even flirting with her.

[o Ventus]

In Commander Shepard's case, I never thought it was an issue, because outside of Ashley and Kaiden none of the love interests were really subservient to him/her. They respected Shepard but once he/she became a Spectre they were part of an unorthadox special forces group and there was no clear chain of command.

Shepard is the commanding officer of the Normandy, so yes, everyone else on board is subservient to him when they're on his ship and under his command.

[General TSAR]

For the love of all that is holy, it's a harmless flirt.

 

HARMLESS.

 

Besides. Harding is a collection of 1's and 0's.

It must suck to live in constant fear of anyone being offended by something you say / do and get in trouble for it.

 

Thank god that's mostly a US thing, lets just hope it stays there.

 

Sorry mate, but it's spreading like a virus all around the world.

[tmp7704]

For the love of all that is holy, it's a harmless flirt.
 
HARMLESS.

Whether it's harmless is for the person who's on the receiving end of it to say. Not the one initiating it, especially when they do it from position of power.

[Rannik]

Well what Rubios perhaps fails to understand is that most men in America in higher up positions don't actually live in fear of getting in trouble because they are decent human beings and treat their employees with dignity and respect, and not potential hook-ups.

 

And what about women? Why are you disregarding women? Are you implying that women are not fit for higher up positions?

 

Stop being so sexist, it triggers me.

[General TSAR]

Whether it's harmless is for the person who's on the receiving end of it to say. 

And she didn't say stop or halt or w/e.

 

Plus Harding is not even a person, she's a character.