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[PsyQUEpedia]

So ultimately who is best for the elves? Does Gaspard still invade Ferelden with Briala as the power? Does he do it with Loghain alive and Anora ruling alone?

[ewauksonian]

So ultimately who is best for the elves? Does Gaspard still invade Ferelden with Briala as the power? Does he do it with Loghain alive and Anora ruling alone?

As I recall, Gaspard actually settles a lot of the disputes with Ferelden...and then begins to puts troops against the borders of Tevinter in the epilogue.

 

My guess as to his motivations: Considering the Inquisition has a quite a few Ferelden as well as Orlesian's members, it's clearly a bad idea for him to try to invade Ferelden. This is not to mention Ferelden, while a little weak from the Blight and the current mage/templar war, is still no easy foe. 

 

On the other hand, Tevinter stands alone against the Qunari. They have almost no allies. Every other nation dislikes them. An ancient Tevinter Magister just nearly destroyed the world...again. Who will stop Gaspard from invading Tevinter? Heck, some may even like it.

[Toasted Llama]

Wait, people actually kept Gaspard and Briala alive and well and even working with Celene? Poor Celene. Shes gonna see a lot more plots to kill her lol

[XMissWooX]

And after all that, I've just realised that Cullen has a Halla statue in his room.
Cullen, are you mocking me?!

[Morroian]

As I recall, Gaspard actually settles a lot of the disputes with Ferelden...and then begins to puts troops against the borders of Tevinter in the epilogue.

 

 

Gaspard does this if you do the war table mission with him. If you don;t he invades Ferelden.

[rigron]

That´s the ending I got on my first attempt

[Morroian]

Wait, people actually kept Gaspard and Briala alive and well and even working with Celene? Poor Celene. Shes gonna see a lot more plots to kill her lol

 

If Celene is Empress Gaspard being alive is the best result for the Inquisition because it obviously forces her to maintain relations with the Inquisition as a buffer against Gaspard. Whether you reunite her and Briala is another thing.

[ewauksonian]

Gaspard does this if you do the war table mission with him. If you don;t he invades Ferelden.

Thanks for correcting me. 

[EdwinLi]

If Celene is Empress Gaspard being alive is the best result for the Inquisition because it obviously forces her to maintain relations with the Inquisition as a buffer against Gaspard. Whether you reunite her and Briala is another thing.

 

There is sadly no real good outcome for Orlais no matter what people do. Orlais is going to end up with bad endings.

 

Celene rule alone only leads to a new issue after those two are gone and it is the same with the other two...

 

The outcome for Orlais is listed in the epilogue here...

 

http://dragonage.wik...e_(Inquisition)

[Tetigistus]

I can be a bit of a completionist (20 minutes of jumping and sliding off rocks to get a single shard for a belt I never wore), so this quest was really stressful.  It's the only one I had to spoil by going online.  The ticking down of the approval counter was horrible.  I tore through the gardens to get to the quest marker ASAP, and didn't pick up enough halla for

Spoiler

the door with the guy trussed to the bed.

[Laurelinde]

Sorry to semi-necro this thread but I have just got to the ball today and...fed up does not describe it.  Bloody Orlesians. ><  I genuinely can't make up my mind what is the 'best' option here, because all 3 of them are just awful, quite frankly.  Gaspard is more decisive, but it's clear he intended to make a move on Celene at the peace talks, and I'm not completely convinced he wasn't working with his devious sister.  He also potentially poses more of a threat to Ferelden, although I gather that can be resolved via the war table.  Briala's goal of representation for the elves is a noble one which I would support, but she's willing to throw some of her own people under the bus to get there and protect her own reputation and power.  Not to mention, her history with Celene leaves things complicated.  And Celene herself has been weak enough to cause a civil war, and despite being theoretically 'progressive' and peaceful, burned down the Alienage.  

 

I haven't read any of the novels so I don't have that to go on and don't necessarily want it to factor into my decision.  But...what is the best play, here?  I can't even figure out how to support Gaspard if I want to - I can get all 3 of them to work together, I can get Celene and Briala to reconcile, or I can get Celene to rule alone with Gaspard either exiled or executed, but I can't for the life of me find how to put him on the throne.  Do I let Florianne assassinate Celene for that to happen, is that the only way?  And does anyone know what happens for Ferelden, and for the elves, if Celene and Briala reconcile?  I've seen the other endings but can't find anything on that one.

 

Ok rant over.  Well, here.  I shall continue ranting quietly about Orlesians in the privacy of my own home.

[Steelcan]

The only way for Gasprad to take over is for Celene to die

 

If you confront the duchess, or save her, Celene will survive

 

what happens to Briala is dependent on what you do in the post Florienne scene.  If not blackmailed, Gaspard has her executed, if not reconciled to Celene or blackmailing her, I believe she is exiled, or maybe killed I forget

[Steelcan]

I know Gespard alone would start war with Ferelden again according to the guide. Briala alone triggers uprising among the elves though. Celene works for peace and orlais prominence as a superpower diminishes. I always choose Celene because Ferelden needs time free of war and uprisings. If you can unite celene and Briala I think that would be good too.

Gaspard alone doesn't have to start a war with Ferelden though....

[Heimdall]

"Best Ending"?

Gaspard still has a head, this statement is false.

[Shahadem]

This is the DA:O dwarf quest all over again, where every candidate is guilty of major crimes so the real best option is doing away with all the candidates and appointing yourself the new ruler.

[wright1978]

The only way for Gasprad to take over is for Celene to die

 

If you confront the duchess, or save her, Celene will survive

 

what happens to Briala is dependent on what you do in the post Florienne scene.  If not blackmailed, Gaspard has her executed, if not reconciled to Celene or blackmailing her, I believe she is exiled, or maybe killed I forget

 

That's an incredibly annoying set up. I went for the 3 working together option on my first run but assumed there must be a real way to support the others.

[banhmi87]

So ultimately who is best for the elves? Does Gaspard still invade Ferelden with Briala as the power? Does he do it with Loghain alive and Anora ruling alone?

 

Gaspard wants to invade Ferelden before the Civil War because there's no Inquisition force yet. I think he can't invade Tevinter either because they will get in his way. It's smart of him to stay low and wait for the opportunity (e.g., get rid of the Inquisition) to expand his political ambitions.

[HereticDante]

Gaspard wants to invade Ferelden before the Civil War because there's no Inquisition force yet. I think he can't invade Tevinter either because they will get in his way. It's smart of him to stay low and wait for the opportunity (e.g., get rid of the Inquisition) to expand his political ambitions.

Yes but that was when Gaspard was looking for an external war to shore up Orlesian unity. With the breach, Mage-Templar war and Tevinter encroachment providing that, (not to mention the huge manpower and supplies lost in the civil war) he doesn't need to invade anymore. There's even war table missions where he makes peace with Ferelden after becoming Emperor afterwards.

 

On a related note, does anyone know if there is a way to recruit Florianne as an Inquisition agent and still make Gaspard Emperor with Briala as well?

[banhmi87]

Yes but that was when Gaspard was looking for an external war to shore up Orlesian unity. With the breach, Mage-Templar war and Tevinter encroachment providing that, (not to mention the huge manpower and supplies lost in the civil war) he doesn't need to invade anymore. There's even war table missions where he makes peace with Ferelden after becoming Emperor afterwards.

 

On a related note, does anyone know if there is a way to recruit Florianne as an Inquisition agent and still make Gaspard Emperor with Briala as well?

 

He makes peace if you do the war table mission. The Inquisition's influence plus all those factors you mention do stop him from invading Ferelden. But, a man who waits for 20 years to start a Civil War to steal the throne will forfeit his ambition because of that? I don't think so.

[HereticDante]

But thats exactly my point, invading Ferelden was never his primary ambition. It was always a means to an end, an end which he accomplishes by becoming Emperor. Not to mention the whole host of factors which come up during Inquisition which make invading Ferelden a much less attractive prospect than it was pre civil war.

[Patchwork]

Is it possible to get Celene and Briala to work together and still exile Gaspard? I'd like Orlais to be stable-ish but for Celene to remain loyal to the Inquisition. 

[Steelcan]

He makes peace if you do the war table mission. The Inquisition's influence plus all those factors you mention do stop him from invading Ferelden. But, a man who waits for 20 years to start a Civil War to steal the throne will forfeit his ambition because of that? I don't think so.

well he does......

[Steelcan]

Is it possible to get Celene and Briala to work together and still exile Gaspard? I'd like Orlais to be stable-ish but for Celene to remain loyal to the Inquisition. 

yes

[Smoolio]

Is it possible to get Celene and Briala to work together and still exile Gaspard? I'd like Orlais to be stable-ish but for Celene to remain loyal to the Inquisition. 

 

 

yes

 

I think reconciling Celene and Briala forces Gaspard to be executed no?