This is the DA:O dwarf quest all over again, where every candidate is guilty of major crimes so the real best option is doing away with all the candidates and appointing yourself the new ruler.
I was disappointed not to have this option. We had Queen/Prince Consort in DAO, Viscount in DA2, where's our Emperor/Empress option, BW?
There is sadly no real good outcome for Orlais no matter what people do. Orlais is going to end up with bad endings.
Celene rule alone only leads to a new issue after those two are gone and it is the same with the other two...
The outcome for Orlais is listed in the epilogue here...
The doesn't have all the endings. I had an ending slide where Celene rules, Gaspard is exiled, and Briala and Celene reconciled. It has the same text as "Gaspard live, Briala executed" though.
Anybody knows what the ending slides tells us regarding Orlais' fate if one opts for "You all work for me now!" instead of the OPs lameful...uh lawful good choice? Any difference at all?
I'm interested in knowing this as well. My next character will be a power-hungry noble who embraces and uses his Herald status liberally. Whichever option leaves him pulling the strings in Orlais, or at least leaves Orlais toothless against the Inquisition, would be the "best" outcome for him.
You fool OP!!! the obvious choice is you work for me now bitches.
I just completed this quest and I've never been more stressed in a game ever. Had no idea what I was doing, before, during, or after the quest and I'm still not even sure what happened.
You really do have to read everything in this game to follow along, there where several points in the game where I found the only reason I had information or knew what was going on was because I had read a letter or a lore story about it.
This is what they hope will happen, during the scene. However, the epilogue makes is perfectly clear that is not what happened. It is explicit that Gaspard becomes an even greater threat to Celine's power, and the elves go into open revolt. Orlais goes into decline...
And it's not bad at all, since there is no world threat anymore and Orley is not the country one can trust. As soon as job is done, better leave that country to struggle, to let other countries around (like Ferelden) to rise. Even Celene can be pushed to expansionist politics (too many people with weapons appeared during the war, you have to give them a task). And with Gaspard aggression towards neighbors is inevitable - it's his credo and motto. So, let them fight with each other, I say 
The doesn't have all the endings. I had an ending slide where Celene rules, Gaspard is exiled, and Briala and Celene reconciled. It has the same text as "Gaspard live, Briala executed" though.
Augh, that was possible? I thought to reconcile Briala and Celene I had to let Gaspard be executed.
Maker preserve us from these bloody Orlesians. ><
Gaspard is obviously far nicer than Celene. I mean, he is always supportive of you, there are no Disadvanatges for the Inquisition, if you stand by the Side. And that's what counts, right?
i literally hate the whole halla statue hide n seek thing in this quest. I understand unlocking secrets and stuff but this felt like a total chore. wish it was more of a puzzle instead of whatever that was.
Anybody knows what the ending slides tells us regarding Orlais' fate if one opts for "You all work for me now!" instead of the OPs lameful...uh lawful good choice? Any difference at all?
I'm interested in knowing this as well. My next character will be a power-hungry noble who embraces and uses his Herald status liberally. Whichever option leaves him pulling the strings in Orlais, or at least leaves Orlais toothless against the Inquisition, would be the "best" outcome for him.
Anyone?
The epilogue on the DA:I wikia doesn't list everything in detail, and there's no entry for "You work for me now!".
The only thing I'm sad about this outcome is that you need to go chasing collectibles to get it... really BioWare? Collectibles quest so you can achieve an "optimal" resolution? ****** collectible halla statues which most gamers tend to dismiss as useless?(because in most games, plot wise, they generally are).
In the end I could not support Gespard, at least in my first playthrough:
- If you talk to him he starts ranting about Orlesian expansionism.. while demons ravage the countryside!?
- He got outplayed by Celene, badly. I don't think he's politically minded enough to keep the scheming nobles at bay.
- He's in his mid-sixties with no clear heir.. no, Celene probably won't have any either, but the time horizon for her is a lot longer.
Neither Celene nor Briala were nice people, but at least they knew how to play the game. If I support Gespard next time I think I'll have to get Briala to hold real power. Were this Ferelden, however, I might have supported him. Shame you couldn't get him to renounce his claims and join the inquisition as an agent (possibly after joining the wardens).
Its so much easier to just have Leliana assassinate them all, after all you're ment to be the next Emperor , then promote Iron Bull to Devine. Job done game over bioware will assign a colour to the final outcome in the DLC.
Is it possible to plot all three of theirs death?
I like to make Gaspard become Briala's puppet. I could care less about Orlais itself, I don't like Orlesians but at least I help the elves out in Orlais and those masked cheese eating fluffy clothes wearing snobs have to put up with the fact that it is now an elf truly running the show.
I was really hoping a scene, in fact was almost expecting a cut scene with Leliana and Josephine teaching the Inquisitor "Orlesian etiquette" prior to entering the ball. Something along the lines of that scene in the Kings Speech. Big opportunity missed for some great comic relief.Personally I thought that it was silly, bordering on pandering, that Court approval was so simple. When any given player of modest intelligence can beat the pros at a game of wits and intrigue, it kind of undersells the cut-throat ruthlessness of the Game, and leaves the question of how anyone could find it difficult. At least with combat (most) players don't confuse PC super-human abilities for the typical or average Thedasian, but The Game is played mostly with words. If any competent person can ace it, the implication for failure is that it would require severe incompetence.
Ah well. Petty annoyances are petty.
oh contraire, that's exactly why it is the best. It will make things so much easier for tevinter to retake their rightful landGiven the epilogue regarding this resolution, I'm not entirely convinced it is the best one. Gaspard is the viper at Celine's breast, the elves are in open revolt, and Celine is only managing to keep her throne because she clutches so tightly to her alliance with the Inquisition. The Orlesian leadership is very much up for grabs there. Seems like it might actually be better to consolidate power with only one of the contenders, since the three for all clearly doesn't work.
In the end I could not support Gespard, at least in my first playthrough:
- If you talk to him he starts ranting about Orlesian expansionism.. while demons ravage the countryside!?
- He got outplayed by Celene, badly. I don't think he's politically minded enough to keep the scheming nobles at bay.
- He's in his mid-sixties with no clear heir.. no, Celene probably won't have any either, but the time horizon for her is a lot longer.
Neither Celene nor Briala were nice people, but at least they knew how to play the game. If I support Gespard next time I think I'll have to get Briala to hold real power. Were this Ferelden, however, I might have supported him. Shame you couldn't get him to renounce his claims and join the inquisition as an agent (possibly after joining the wardens).
I'm not so sure. She appears to be in her late thirties. So she's about to hit menopause (woman during that time period entered menopause around 40 years old instead of 50 as they do now).
He's a warmongering racist. Literally the only thing he has over Celene is that he had a stronger claim to the throne initially. But he lost that, and instead of getting over it, he's sending thousands of his countrymen to their deaths just so he can have more power. Yes, he's a mustache twirling villain. Gaspard is the kind of human garbage that Loghain envisions of Orlesians in DAO when he ignored a Blight so he could turn sights on Orlais.
Celene and Briala both suck, but Gaspard is just scum.
At least Gaspard hasn't killed his king and sentenced his kingdom to doom...yet.
i got briala and celine to make up.. didn't have the option for all 3
That's what I would have wanted. I just stumbled into the 'shame all 3 of them and make them play nice' option (the game didn't care to tell me about the statues being a limited resource).
"Best" ending is a very ... loose term. Best is strictly which outcome best suits the objective of your own inquisition.
None... and i mean NONE of these people are redeemable in any shape or form (especially if you read the Masked Empire where you see what horrible cretins Celene, Gaspard and Briala are... each one of them are horrendous people, worthy of contempt and misery.. none deserve to live let alone rule).
Celene ordered the murder of peasants / servants in her own palace (Won't spoil the book by saying who they were, but they were innocents) all because it was "part of the game". She also torched the alienage, killing untold number of innocent elves just because some of them were rebelling. Not to mention the countless people she ordered assassinated (often using Briala as her personal assassin).
Gaspard, while having a "code" of conduct by the Chevalier code, also commits his fair share of atrocities and mass murders against innocents. He's a war monger and seeks to invade Ferelden as well. Also let's not romantice the Chevalier's as some have... their code allows and condones the execution of elvish peasants. In fact part of their Chevelier training before becoming a knight involves entering the Alienage and executing a few elves.. just to makre sure they're not squeemish about spilling blood... so.. ya, that "code" they have isn't worth anything.
Briala. Mass murderer. Has assassinated countless number of people, many of them awful people.. but also some who were just guilty of "being in the way" of the "the game" for Celene or the empire etc. In masked empire by the end of the book I was loathing her as much as Celene and Gaspard.. any sympathy i had for her was only because she comes from a much maligned and downtrodden people.
Awful.. all of them. The worst possible kind of people to have ruling / leading an empire.. they see life as cheap, expendable, tools for their own use. Even the mission in DAI, if you talk to them in length, you get a decent sense for how awful each of these people are as well.
So let's be cautious about tossing the word "best" around .. because no matter what the outcome, Orlais is ruled by either a single monster or band of monsters.
Once you understand the Game, court approval is ridiculously easy. And all the Game essentially is, is being indirect. Don't make sweeping statements, always ask questions and don't reveal your loyalties and Orlais will love you.
So pretend to be play wicked grace with everyone... Got it.
Now to find out how to get the evil ending.
Laidlaw said "The demons / villain can actually win" but I'm not sure if he straight out lied, if it was intended but cut, or if the way to do this is still a secret. I doubt the latter, because I tried all I could to get an "evil" ending but it still resulting in me being forced to kill my master.
You have to ****** off all your companions.
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