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[Commander of the Grey]

Yes. Like Alistair, the VA completely made the character.

Yes! Yes! I'm all about voices. His and Dorian's VA are absolutely wonderful to listen to. Especially the way Solas says 'breach'. It's so adorable. He captured that character in such an amazing way and it just fits. How he sounds and speaks older than he should which makes more sense once you know the truth. His voice definitely sold me first and then the content just tripled that love. I could gush about him forever even given the ending and that is what's so beautiful about it.

Then again I'm one who believes that he really did love her. He warned her and my Lavallen doesn't regret it all though she will be searching for answers, closure or no.

[Mims]

I have a feeling you're gong to be disappointed.

 

I don't know if their's a way this one can end happily. 

 

Not everyone requires a happy ending to be satisfied with the story. I am fine wherever the story goes, so long as no one's character is thrown under a bus in the process. 

 

I just want to see more! 

[Tielis]

I have a feeling you're gong to be disappointed.

 

I don't know if their's a way this one can end happily. 

 

Yeah.  Not happening.  But for sure it will be gut-wrenching, you can count on that.

 

Honestly, I'm not sure I'll be ready... even if it does come several years down the road.  I can't handle tragedy at all.

[Malen]

I have gone back to do some chatting with Cole, I did not turn him human (don't know if that matters).
He says a lot of things , that I feel reference Solas.

Some of them, really get my mine twisted.
Others, are pretty direct.
It took me a bit to realize that he was trying to warn/ease my pain. As this is what he does.
But, it clicked when he said "I can talk to you".

First he mentions Solas by his translated name, Pride.
He says (not exact quote but all the same) "He helps me, leads me to/with the light, he calls himself Pride".

So that's no biggie, right? We all know Solas' compassion.
However, Cole also says, "He does not mean it, he does not know he is dead".
He also says something to the effect of "she is his [heart], but he cannot stop it"

This one has left my gut in knots.
It's part of what leads me to feel, that Solas is a vessel for the Wolf, because as we all know,
spending any amount of time in the Fade can be dangerous, he started studying the old gods,
and found himself used by them.
Flemeth saves him, by transferring herself, otherwise he'd die.
I wonder, if this could mean that, Solas is trapped in the Fade, as many from the past.
Another note, Solas also tells Cassandra "I don't believe they are /or in Gods" when she's askes about what he believes in. Curious.

In the DLC, the inquisitor and party have to get back into the Fade, to get Solas out; lead by Cole of course, because Cole feels the need to repay Solas for all the guidance he gave him....
This is where a choice comes, kill him (for those who hate him) or save him, for love.

Also a cool thing, if you did go romance... (Heavy breathing) then maybe she still dreams him, and a scene could show her at their break up spot missing him. This is where Cole comes in and says...
He still reaches for you... Or something like that ... and the story begins, in whatever glorious way Weekes weaves it.

*Passes over jar of tears*

I love Cole and Solas dammit!
Sorry for my long posts.

[Mims]

I absolutely love Cole. I don't know if they could make the DLC reliant upon him though, since Cole can leave the party if you are a cruel Inquisitor. Solas can't leave. I believe he just throws a fit and you get his 'dark' card as a result. 

 

That said, if there is the possibility for a 'happy' conclusion with Solas, I would think having Cole and Solas's 'good' card will be necessary. 

[laxlily]

Anything is possible. I could see it ending happily or tragically. And there are many possibilities without cheapening the plot. I think if there is dlc involving solas, there will probably be 2 endings depending on your choices.

I must say that despite all the nay-sayers on here, i think that solas does love lavellan.

And i have to agree with you, @commander of the grey, the story was done beautifully. And though the solas content is less, it is full of emotion and suspense, and left me wanting more. I just hate that I have to wait, likely 3 months or more, until i get to see what's next. Pure torture.

[jellobell]

I have a feeling you're gong to be disappointed.

 

I don't know if their's a way this one can end happily. 

Banal nadas.

 

More than anything I want an "earn your happy ending". Like Witch Hunt, but more. What I love about Bioware games are the choices. I have a Warden, for example, who romanced Alistair and took the final blow because she couldn't bear to put him through the Dark Ritual. But then I also had a Warden who stayed with Alistair in the end. I have a DA2 "maximum tragedy Hawke", who loses her whole family, romances Anders, and executes him at the end because she believes there's nothing there left to save. I don't dislike tragic stories. But I'm not wild about inevitable tragedy.

[Tielis]

Banal nadas.

 

More than anything I want an "earn your happy ending". Like Witch Hunt, but more. What I love about Bioware games are the choices. I have a Warden, for example, who romanced Alistair and took the final blow because she couldn't bear to put him through the Dark Ritual. But then I also had a Warden who stayed with Alistair in the end. I have a DA2 "maximum tragedy Hawke", who loses her whole family, romances Anders, and executes him at the end because she believes there's nothing there left to save. I don't dislike tragic stories. But I'm not wild about inevitable tragedy.

 

I can get behind that.  The choice should be ours, even if it means becoming evil or being trapped in the Fade with him.

 

I think you hit upon what I hate so much about the romance, what really burns my britches.  We're left with that ending no matter what we do.  Totally railroaded into tragedy.  Meh, I need me some hot ex Templar now.

[jellobell]

I think you hit upon what I hate so much about the romance, what really burns my britches.  We're left with that ending no matter what we do.  Totally railroaded into tragedy.

Until the Wolf Hunt DLC! (I hope  ).

[Shechinah]

Even if they save the plot of it all for either an expansion or even the next game, I don't think a "Wolf Hunt"-dlc is impossible.

 

The only problem would be that Solas would be significantly harder to track (though he might still be too weakened to really take advantage of his supposed god powers) but I can imaging a dlc where you either end up crossing path (Hello Eluvians, you wonderful plot devices!) unintentionally, he needs something from you and secretly tries to gain it by using the bond left by the Well of Sorrows (either directly through it if you drank or indirectly through Morrigan if she did) or you specifically go searching for him.

 

A fourth option could be a blend of the second with a fourth in which the bond starts to influence you with odd dreams or visions or something and you start a hunt to find out what they mean by going to the different places (If Morrigan drank, then she wants you to come along or maybe she searching for a way to undo the servant-detail)

 

The Inquisitor meeting Solas would help establish something for future games if they go that route with the plot as I imaging people (including myself) who romanced him would confront him differently about his desappearing act and for those who didn't romance him, it would have a foreboding tone of things to come. Maybe you can leave with him, maybe your character can learn that he is the Dread Wolf and maybe it depends on his approval.

 

In short: I really, really want a "Wolf Hunt"-DLC.

 

Edit: Hell, maybe we can even have Cole along as our bloodhound instead of a mabari. He sees each mage differently and has a connection to fade-things.

[Silith]

Oh, Solas...

I romanced him in my second playthrough so I knew from the beginning that I was set up for heartbreak, but the last romance scene did hit me pretty hard regardless. I love the romance a lot, it is very emotional and so very well done, but I'm kind of disappointed that it's not more. Y'know, they basically have only three romance scenes all in all. I'm not completely through yet, I'm still debating whether I want to continue until the very end or start over and romance someone else but I want a very last scene after the party to get some closure, if only a letter from him saying goodbye or something. Pretty sure that there will be no additional romance scene at the end (like you can have with Cullen) for her, though... That's my problem with the romance, there is no closure at all. He rejects her, then leaves without any kind of explanation even though he does promise her one (well, the player gets one, but not the poor Inquisitor).

I kinda don't want to go back to my playthrough now, sigh. But what if there actually IS a final scene and I am missing it because I don't want to pull through? Argh!

 

I don't even need a DLC or anything, as I said a last, final goodbye via letter would be enough for me, but alas...

 

I second (third? whatever) the praise for the VA - he made the character for me and I'm dismayed that the romance leaves me so sad because he is my favorite Bioware romance so far (yeah, sorry Garrus, Alistair, Cullen) because he is so earnest and sweet.

 

Ack. Back to Thedas...

[laxlily]

Yes, some sort of closure, even if it were just a letter, would be better than this. It just feels so incomplete. This really is like getting over the worst break up ever, and with no explanation whatsoever to boot. On my second playthrough, I am enjoying the solas romance, but it's very bittersweet and depressing knowing what is going to happen. /Sigh. I think I'm almost over it, i can finally move on.

Also, here's a very interesting read on solas theories. I agree with a lot of this:

http://www.reddit.co...whats_going_on/

[Malen]

**plot twist! Happy ending!**



The new gods that lead the people! ❤Solas and Lavallen ❤

[jellobell]

**plot twist! Happy ending!**



The new gods that lead the people! ❤Solas and Lavallen ❤

But my Lavellan doesn't want to be a god! She's uncomfortable enough being the "Herald of Andraste".

 

Also Solas hates it if you use people's belief in you to manipulate them. 

 

[Aira Rennyde]

Yeah, 'demigod'. And then, there is the post credits scene. Neat.

[Malen]

Gods, as explained are not even really gods, according to Solas, they are stories of great people,
Who's spirit continues on. But, the people need to be lead, by what they view as gods.

I'm not saying, my Lavallen wants to be a god, but they will be viewed as such, by the people.
It's clear that they need to rebuild the old elven stories and bring truth.
It takes a lot of power to change such ways... Godlike power.
In the right, humble hands.

Read the scroll, on the scaffolding that is in the room where Solas is painting Lavellens story.
Just brought up the thoughts.

I'm never concrete on any part of what's to come.
Just throwing ideas about...

Helps ease the residual pain left over from this cliffhanger.

[Kazia]

I'm joining in on the "Wolf Hunt dlc" begging from bioware. And I also wish it was in "witch's hunt" nature - where you choose realistic, or sweet ending. 

[drake2511]

Banal nadas.

 

More than anything I want an "earn your happy ending". Like Witch Hunt, but more. What I love about Bioware games are the choices. I have a Warden, for example, who romanced Alistair and took the final blow because she couldn't bear to put him through the Dark Ritual. But then I also had a Warden who stayed with Alistair in the end. I have a DA2 "maximum tragedy Hawke", who loses her whole family, romances Anders, and executes him at the end because she believes there's nothing there left to save. I don't dislike tragic stories. But I'm not wild about inevitable tragedy.

 

This. (and your lavellan is beautiful)

Choice is one of bioware's strong points, along with characters and good writing. Look how they handled the OGB choice, or the fade quest.

That said, Solas' character has so much potential, I can't wait to get my hands on that sweet Wolf Hunt dlc/expansion (please make it happen).

[jellobell]

This. (and your lavellan is beautiful)

Thank you! I really like yours too~

[Malen]

I am wondering,

As you make choices for your followers, their tarot card changes.

In the end, my Solas card went from his starting (Mage look card) to an elf in the woods, with a white wolf
Laying by him. Like the hunter elves of old.

I know, everyone is caught up in this deceptive concept, with him being the dread wolf.
However, could it be possible that he is the White Wolf, the protector of the people?
Or is it as the old lores say...

He is, whatever story the people (or inquisitor) decides he is, in a sense.

At the very end, when he visit Flemeth, he said "I'm sorry, but the people need me" with the look of sadness.
It just seems... SEEMS... He is more focused on the protection aspect, the outlining of the stories of the white wolf.
I can see how he would represent the dread wolf to those who did not romance him... So
He could be both!
Or none at all ((Shakes fist)) darn you Weekes, first the tears, now the obsession!

(Side note,my final cut seen with Cole leads me to believe that he is there to serve Lavallen.
As Cole realizes he can help, he can heal, but then something makes him stop, forget, then revert to a very
Soldier like attitude of obedience, "you can keep calling me that name if you wish")
I can't help but feel that Cole has a larger role.
How many demons/spirits do you know that get to hang out with the Heros... That's stuff you only find in.... Lores of old.

Any thoughts?

[Tielis]

I am wondering,

As you make choices for your followers, their tarot card changes.

In the end, my Solas card went from his starting (Mage look card) to an elf in the woods, with a white wolf
Laying by him. Like the hunter elves of old.

I know, everyone is caught up in this deceptive concept, with him being the dread wolf.
However, could it be possible that he is the White Wolf, the protector of the people?
Or is it as the old lores say...

He is, whatever story the people (or inquisitor) decides he is, in a sense.

At the very end, when he visit Flemeth, he said "I'm sorry, but the people need me" with the look of sadness.
It just seems... SEEMS... He is more focused on the protection aspect, the outlining of the stories of the white wolf.
I can see how he would represent the dread wolf to those who did not romance him... So
He could be both!
Or none at all ((Shakes fist)) darn you Weekes, first the tears, now the obsession!

(Side note,my final cut seen with Cole leads me to believe that he is there to serve Lavallen.
As Cole realizes he can help, he can heal, but then something makes him stop, forget, then revert to a very
Soldier like attitude of obedience, "you can keep calling me that name if you wish")
I can't help but feel that Cole has a larger role.
How many demons/spirits do you know that get to hang out with the Heros... That's stuff you only find in.... Lores of old.

Any thoughts?

 

Very, very interesting, thank you.  For me his card never changed, but I rushed through the story, so that may have something to do with it.  I plan on replaying that worldstate after his DLC or expansion is released.

 

I think he definitely is set up to be a changeling -- all of his conversations about Wisdom/Pride point to that, especially as Solas does mean "pride" in Elvish.

[Ajna]

I am wondering,

As you make choices for your followers, their tarot card changes.

In the end, my Solas card went from his starting (Mage look card) to an elf in the woods, with a white wolf
Laying by him. Like the hunter elves of old.

I know, everyone is caught up in this deceptive concept, with him being the dread wolf.
However, could it be possible that he is the White Wolf, the protector of the people?
Or is it as the old lores say...

He is, whatever story the people (or inquisitor) decides he is, in a sense.

At the very end, when he visit Flemeth, he said "I'm sorry, but the people need me" with the look of sadness.
It just seems... SEEMS... He is more focused on the protection aspect, the outlining of the stories of the white wolf.
I can see how he would represent the dread wolf to those who did not romance him... So
He could be both!
Or none at all ((Shakes fist)) darn you Weekes, first the tears, now the obsession!

(Side note,my final cut seen with Cole leads me to believe that he is there to serve Lavallen.
As Cole realizes he can help, he can heal, but then something makes him stop, forget, then revert to a very
Soldier like attitude of obedience, "you can keep calling me that name if you wish")
I can't help but feel that Cole has a larger role.
How many demons/spirits do you know that get to hang out with the Heros... That's stuff you only find in.... Lores of old.

Any thoughts?

I do love this theory, the white wolf is so deeply symbolic, his first mural depicts wolves both black and white, is this a hint that he can become either?

[Estelindis]

I didn't romance Solas, but I would absolutely want future DLC that would continue his story.  That post-credits scene pretty much demands it.

[laxlily]

I do love this theory, the white wolf is so deeply symbolic, his first mural depicts wolves both black and white, is this a hint that he can become either?

Ooh it must! Good thoughts! I definitely think that Cole is key to developing the solas story even more. And i hope that the white wolf really does symbolize a more positive solas storyline. I am currently completing all the major and minor quests in hopes that it will unlock more content, but im doubtful that it will. Here's to hoping!

[Mims]

I do love this theory, the white wolf is so deeply symbolic, his first mural depicts wolves both black and white, is this a hint that he can become either?

 

That was my take. White wolf for an Inquisitor that befriends him, black wolf for an Inquisitor that is an enemy. Sort of a redemption/destruction. Which also plays into the meaning of the two tarot cards.

 

I am no expert, so I have copied from a tarot explanation site. Someone better suited can clarify. But essentially, the tower demands change, while the heirophant encourages someone to stay the course. 

 

White wolf=Hierophant;

 

The Hierophant can also represent group activities and beliefs, and in either case, support of the establishment and respect for the rules are emphasized. So if you are planning something revolutionary, the repeated appearance of the Hierophant is a good sign to forget such action and go with the flow for the time being. The traditional way of doing things must work most of the time, or else it wouldn't have been around long enough to become tradition! However, when an idea is proven wrong it is certainly time for a change. The true Hierophant is one who has a deep respect for his beliefs, but who will not blindly follow them to his own ruin.

 

Black wolf=Tower; 

 

Sometimes, when accepted and welcomed, divine wisdom and enlightenment flow freely like a calm river. The rest of the time, wisdom is blocked until it rages forth like a tidal wave and crushes anything in its path, including the recipient of the wisdom. This is the energy of the Tower card, an energy very similar to Death in that it is both a destructive and a creative force. When a building is old and decrepit, it must be demolished so that a new structure may stand in its place. The same is true of the symbolic Tower. When old attitudes and beliefs are outdated, you will have to let go of them, whether you like it or not.