Little off-topic, but I'm curious about something.
How many of you allowed Solas to kill the mages and how many of you drank from the well? I've been considering doing both in my playthroughs but I'm genuinely afraid of what would happen if I did. I figure the killing part might just be him being Fen'harel... but the well part makes me nervous since he's all "no, don't do that. I won't do that, either. She shouldn't do that. **** everything!"
Solas romance and a request of the bioware developers
#151
Posté 09 décembre 2014 - 11:47
#152
Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 12:09
Damn. I wasn't planning on playing a female elf, but after reading this thread I'm really tempted now.
There seems to be a lot of exposition I missed, despite talking to Solas at every opportunity. How much of his dialogue is dependent on romancing him? I don't recall him saying that the elves were once immortal, for instance.
I think he might have some elf-specific stuff in that first dialogue hub in Haven. That's when I heard him talk about the immortal elves of Arlathan ("to whom magic was as natural as breathing"). I highly recommend rolling a female elf and romancing him, though. It offers a lot of insight into his character, and all of the scenes are just bursting with emotion. One of the best I've ever seen in a bioware game.
And that ending is just begging for some kind of continuation. I really hope we get one.
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#153
Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 12:35
I'm writing here for the first time, but I've been checking for a week or more - every day, trying to understand something and just calm down a bit that I'm not alone in my love to a fiction character.
I can say I agree with about 99% of the opinions. I don't know if it is because some kind of games are played by same kind of people or is it because Bioware fiction world and game history is making us think the same way.(I'm saying this just to skip all the quotes I agree with) Thanks to some of the posts here lots of things made sense and I made my own conclusions =) So thank you, guys!
So, in one word - I'm in for the NEED of Solas DLC!(Solasyndrome - nice! =D ) I mean, why would they put so much effort on a romance story, so deep, so real, so devastating and comforting all at the same time if not to get it to conclusion. And lets don't forget - he's the only romancing character with such a restriction on the race.. As we all know that there is a significant free will of love affairs
Anything can happen now! It's going to be ... illegal if they don't reveal it!
- Vhenan In Fen'Harel aime ceci
#154
Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 01:25
Disclaimer: My post contains the obvious spoilers related to the romance, and idk how to spoiler tag (nor am I even sure they need spoiler tags at this point, what's the window of time we allow until we generally accept that everyone has seen all the content?) So read at your own peril, I guess.
I'm sure it's been said already, but the Solas romance is pretty obviously doomed given the epilogue. They killed off perhaps the series' most credible villain (sadly
) and, essentially gave her villain credibility to Solas. Furthermore, he now possesses 2-3+ souls, giving him huge potential for some form of "corruption"/split personalities thing, which will almost certainly be used to make him more villainous. Also, factor in that he is the dread wolf, a trickster god + the soul of a goddess of justice(?) who, according to the codex, often acted more as a vengeance goddess (and turned against/killed people on a whim, if she didn't agree with their perceptions of justice) + possibly whatever "Urthemiel" was. This has disaster written all over it. Lastly... That setup at the end just didn't feel like they were preparing him to be just a companion again... Nor a DLC villain. I'm like, 95% sure he's going to be a major antagonist, or even the big bad of DA4, anything less would run the risk of making the alternate antagonist pale in comparison (probably like Corypheus compared to Flemeth x10, tbh). But of course, this is just my 2c, and my speculation is as good as anyone else's, so... *shrugs*
#155
Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 05:35
Actually, if we're going to rely on the codexes - http://dragonage.wik...:_The_Rebel_God
On what did he rebel on in these ancient times we can only guess.
I think we get to a point to discuss whether or not to trust dalish elven beliefs over elven history or they gods before making suggestions what is Solas' role in the story. However, For my first playthrough I have gathered enough codexes refering most of the gods they believe in. But I always have something in mind when I read the story of every each of them.
As far as I can understand, Solas was actually cocky and kind of wild in his youth, ready for fight in any moment ( metioned in a banter between him and Blackwall). I can hope that he has changed. Which ever party member you take with him, most of the banters are for the unfortunate fate of the races in modern world (excluding the ones about the free will, right for choice and defending the innocent people, that can make much more with themselfs, that can become something more if only they had the chance) - I can recall one with Iron Bull when he express his impression on Solas' fighting technics. The answer he receives is that it is not appropriate to have fun or celebrate one's death , even be it an enemy's one.
Well, you can see that I am not so objective on the topic, concidering that I just love him. So I hope we're not going to have to kill him as the main antagonist in the continuing of the story.
Making spoiler tag is easy - just put spoiler before the content you like to be hidden and /spoiler after it, to close it. Put 'spoiler'/'/spoiler' in square brackets and you're done ![]()
#156
Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 08:06
I let him kill the mages cause honestly I'd have done it if he hadn't, they deserved it. And I drank from the Well too cause it was magic elf stuff and I was a magic elf. Plus my Lavellan didn't trust Morrigan with it (nor Corypheus, obviously)
To the post above, I hope he's not a big DA4 villain cause that'd mean we can't get closure. Also if he becomes an "elven glory" villain I think I'd side with him tbh. But I don't think they'd do that because that would basically be the same plot except with Arlathan instead of Old Tevinter. Or maybe instead of that, he could try removing the Veil entirely, he did sound pretty excited with that idea when you ask him about the fade in Haven (sidenote, kinda bummed the dialogue didn't change to say the Beyond if you're an elf)
Related to that, me thinks the place the Dread Wolf sealed the other gods could be the Fade/Beyond and he's the one who put the Veil there to lock them away
- Vhenan In Fen'Harel aime ceci
#157
Posté 11 décembre 2014 - 01:09
Also, based on Solas' theory that the elven gods were like elven magisters only on god status instead, what if Solas had the distinct ability to sap the energy or life force from people to expand on his own? Maybe that is what initially gave him the title of Dread Wolf?
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#158
Posté 11 décembre 2014 - 10:57
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#159
Posté 11 décembre 2014 - 03:26
I love all the discussion! Yay \(^.^)/
I don't even worry about Solas being some horrible villious asshat. Well, unless you play
The side of antagonist buttface and end up slapping him in and all that.
Then, I am sure you will have stirred the dread spirit.
(Guardian of Sorrow says "history is wrong, the Dread Wolf had nothing to do with the death of Mythal. It was the people who destroyed this place).
Dread is a guide/protector, much like Falon'Din. He walks the fade, attaining knowledge, protecting the people of old.
How could he know his action to protect his people, by locking them away from the hunt that was coming would cause a total loss.
He sees this, this journey had to be walked by him, for three reasons:
He needed to learn that the evil (he trusted by giving corthy the orb) is vast and powerful.
he needed to see that it can return, that he can change things for the better. (He was deeply betrayed, he needs healing time).
He must gain the strength to change things (as he was asleep for a very long time as well).
He could never kill Flemeth, nor can she die.
The spirits of old use the same technique as Corthyrockface, displacing their self in several places to
Gain immortality (when the song sung was all the same). A unity of spirit.
I mean, creepo rock face had to learn it from somewhere.
Like everyone else, as Dorian so provocatively put by saying, oh so you mean we stole that technique from your people. (In a few less words). And like the orb, elven. The elven people's old magic was so beautiful and powerful, it touches everything, or everything wants to touch it.
The inquisitor is still important. She changes things. She is different.
I'm still betting she is an old secret that was locked away by her people, even too nieve to know it herself.
Cole, as I kept him spirit, I cannot imagine loving Solas and not keeping him. He is the spirit of compassion.
His role is a very needed one. He can keep the connection between Lavallen and Dread, who will at some point, need the hurt to heal.
I opened up all the old ruins, set the wards, and will use my funds of the inquisition to restore what was lost.
I just hope Bioware gives me that chance to continue and be reunited with the only one for my elfy.
A girl cannot be touched by a god and just let it go and run off with some mortal... Pfffft... Nope.
- Vhenan In Fen'Harel aime ceci
#160
Posté 11 décembre 2014 - 03:29
[long post]
I am with you 100%. This is why Origins is still, for me, the best of the series. We can actually change the story with our choices, and we even see it in the last battle with the allies that we can summon.
Yes, Alistair can dump his lady if he is made king, but she can still be his mistress, or players can reload or just make a different character to have a completely different ending to his romance.
I am sick to death of all the railroading. I could deal with it in regards to story points like Hawke's family, but to do this to a romance is just sloppy, unnecessary, and an insult to the fans who love Dragon Age for what Origins was. At least in DA2, you could choose to forgive Anders and still have him with you.
With Solas, no matter what you do, you are still ****ed. Granted, they may end his romance in a better way with DLC like they did with Morrigan, but gating the end of a story with a cash grab is just despicable, as far as I'm concerned. I didn't like it then, and I don't like it now. At least they did somewhat redeem themselves with how the Morrigan romance ended in Witch Hunt, and I still have hope that they handle what we are calling "Wolf Hunt" in the same way.
I will buy further iterations of Dragon Age only if they address this ever-growing concern of how "the player's choices matter" -- as of this moment, at the end of DA:I, this is a blatant lie as far as the Solas romance goes.
If they do not, then Dragon Age has effectively ended for me with the death of player agency. My wallet will speak for me. I hope EA hears it.
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#161
Posté 11 décembre 2014 - 03:56
Tossing in my 2 cents for DLC.
I don't need a happy ending for Solas and Lavellan, though I will happily take one. And if whatever Solas sets in motion winds up being the central conflict for DA4 for a new protagonist (like Corypheus in Legacy), that's fine. I just want to be able to finish Solas's specific story arc in a meaningful way with the Inquisitor, and have the romance included in that story arc if you chose to play it that way.
Even if you didn't romance him, he's still a part of the Inquisitor's story left unresolved.
#162
Posté 11 décembre 2014 - 04:02
Tossing in my 2 cents for DLC.
I don't need a happy ending for Solas and Lavellan, though I will happily take one.
...I would like a happy ending.
Or at least multiple options. If it's at least as happy as Witch Hunt then I'm good.
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#163
Posté 11 décembre 2014 - 04:32
#164
Posté 11 décembre 2014 - 04:57
...I would like a happy ending.
Or at least multiple options. If it's at least as happy as Witch Hunt then I'm good.
I would also like a happy ending and to me happy ending is where they can be together like Warden and Morrigan in witch hunt. If that is not possible then my heart will be broken
and I don't want that to happen.
- Wereupine aime ceci
#165
Posté 11 décembre 2014 - 05:24
I'm pretty sure he dumped me because I have such poor fashion sense. Wearing the same hideous beige pajamas day in and day out (and I didn't see a laundry at Skyhold? So, ew), even to the secret romantic spot that Solas asked me to go to. Pretty sure he saw me walking up wearing those pajamas yet AGAIN and was like oh hell no, this chick's not even TRYING, and then proceeded to dump me.
Add to that the fugly velvet blinding-red military costume I wore to a FORMAL BALL, just the straw that broke the camel's back.
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#166
Posté 22 décembre 2014 - 10:51
I made a forum account just for this purpose.
PLEASE, Bioware team, give us some closure!
Initially, I was so annoyed and felt like my time was toyed with by the devs, but after letting it all sink in a little bit I began to appreciate the Solas romance more and more. Two things contributed to this:
1-Too few Solas scenes. Almost every other character in the game gets about 4-ish cutscenes while we get only 2 1/2 with Solas.(That last one at the end of the battle does not count as a full scene, guys, tch!). Cassandra got like 8 scenes at Skyhold and I didn't even romance her. I am not ashamed to admit that this lack of Solas totally annoyed the crap out of me.
2. I love you more than I have ever loved anyone, by the way, you're dumped. "OH Solas you're so roma--wait, what!?" Wtfjushappened?! It seemed out of character for Solas to do this to here at that moment. He was telling her how she meant the world to him, then abruptly says it will never happen again. I think it would have been better to let the player have a nice moment with him, then decidate another scene to him dumping her ass.
Hower, given it's shortcomings, I still find the Solas romance to be beautifully tragic. After I came around to the idea, lol. So come on, Bioware peeps, show us fangirls that you are very sorry for leading us on and release an awesome DLC without killing Solas or making him an evil tyrant. We know how sneaky you are, after all!
- Vhenan In Fen'Harel aime ceci
#167
Posté 22 décembre 2014 - 10:51
I'm pretty sure he dumped me because I have such poor fashion sense. Wearing the same hideous beige pajamas day in and day out (and I didn't see a laundry at Skyhold? So, ew), even to the secret romantic spot that Solas asked me to go to. Pretty sure he saw me walking up wearing those pajamas yet AGAIN and was like oh hell no, this chick's not even TRYING, and then proceeded to dump me.
Add to that the fugly velvet blinding-red military costume I wore to a FORMAL BALL, just the straw that broke the camel's back.
Omg, this made me laugh so much. Thank you XD
- Vhenan In Fen'Harel aime ceci
#168
Posté 27 décembre 2014 - 04:13
Tossing in my 2 cents for DLC.
I don't need a happy ending for Solas and Lavellan, though I will happily take one. And if whatever Solas sets in motion winds up being the central conflict for DA4 for a new protagonist (like Corypheus in Legacy), that's fine. I just want to be able to finish Solas's specific story arc in a meaningful way with the Inquisitor, and have the romance included in that story arc if you chose to play it that way.
Even if you didn't romance him, he's still a part of the Inquisitor's story left unresolved.
Regardless of whether you romance Solas, the direction of resolving his ties with the inquisitor will bring to bear a larger and more intricate story for all. Everything we know of the Elves is wrong. Everything we know of the past is wrong. There was once a massive landscape of cities and magic in a world where potentially spirits coexisted alongside us roamed, and Solas and Flemeth both potentially witnessed or were a part of the orchestration of its end.
Bioware would be remiss to not open up a DLC on par with Awakening that explored this with your current inquisitor. This does two things:
1. Expands the story into a new series of remnant conflicts we couldn't have seen coming.
2. resolves the inevitably short ending to anything romantic with Solas, by offering a variety of outcomes with Solas, romantically, or as a companion, based on the decisions made from the main game. (Much as the ---all too short--- witch hunt did with Morrigan's story).
In explanation of resolving the ending if Solas was romanced:
I will say this. I almost set the game down and stopped playing when I realized I'd romanced someone where there was literally nothing I could do but be depressed. Like, it's all fine and dandy to give people stories they care about, so they want more and are really moved. Any good writer wants that. But, frankly the story wasn't made tragic. Letting them stay together and face the consequences of his secrets could have been tragic and beautiful. Having him leave because of his fear, but then come back once all is known to face the inquisitor to confirm or prove any doubts he has, those are all things I would expect of an inquisitive, ageless being. Especially after all his hullabaloo about taking responsibility for choices and not running and hiding. Also depending on other choices made....
Having him dump and run away made him the problem and also hypocritical. It wasn't some tragic story in an eloquent way. It was mechanized. And that makes it way less tragic and way more disappointing, shallow, and in some ways sort of broke my suspension of disbelief about how old he's supposed to be. In many ways the shock wasn't from the story as it should have been.
My one and only concern for any DLC is, in the past, a lot of time has been spent on tangents.
However, Inquisition has done everything I have been wanting since Origins, and more, for really weaving everything back together. I would want the DLC to tie everything together WHILE extending the Solas relationship with choices (if you had one) and going into depth into this massive amount of untouched elven stuff which can leave off with some kind of cliffhanger for things and main characters to come (please do it right this time). ![]()
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#169
Posté 27 décembre 2014 - 04:41
Here is a question: where would a wolf hunt dlc take place?
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#170
Posté 27 décembre 2014 - 06:19
Here is a question: where would a wolf hunt dlc take place?
Okay - as a tangent - *spoilers from DAI*
I would explore Tevinter and Arlathan. Dorian would be an obvious choice for drawing the inquisition's attention to that. He intends to restore/change the empire. Depending on choices with Cory's apprentice woman, she can be utilized as a potential nemesis for whatever relics and history are being hunted for.
This could unlock secrets of the old gods/wrapping up any loose ends from this game while giving a reason for future games to shift attention to Tevinter and eventually the Qunari. ;}
I hesitate to come up with too many ideas because I really love being surprised by the depth of the DA world, and I am never disappointed by the lore of their story telling.
- theDuchess aime ceci
#171
Posté 02 janvier 2015 - 07:46
For anyone with a hankering for loose ends tied up with their Solas romance, I've written the following choose your own adventure story based on whatever game choices you made - It's PG13, contains spoilers, and I did my best to stay as true as I can to the canon I know from the novels and other comics, thedas histories and rpg books I've read:
Solas Romance Epilogue
Enjoy. And I'll check other forums to make sure I'm reaching the people that were looking for something.
- Mioshani et Lethaya aiment ceci
#172
Posté 02 janvier 2015 - 09:26
I would like some closure as well before the final Story DLC because I have a Idea on how its gonna end.
#173
Posté 02 janvier 2015 - 11:24
I would like some closure as well before the final Story DLC because I have a Idea on how its gonna end.
Spoiler
Ugh I don't want this to happen, but if we're going to play as a new character then the inquisitor would
#174
Posté 03 janvier 2015 - 07:53
I am suffering from Solas withdrawals. I went so far as to commission someone on DeviantArt to draw nekkid Solas times. *face palm*
Anyone know if they're going to patch the last Solas quest (What Lies Dormant) that seems to be so bugged no one can trigger it? I'm honestly terrified that this one companion quest might have more Solas scenes or critical information we're missing in the romance. Although, it seems like a gathering quest like Blackwall's so probably not.
#175
Posté 03 janvier 2015 - 08:10
I get why you guys want this. I really do. Thing is, you have to realize that everyone wants to see more of their favorite couple, be it warden/Alistair, Warden/Morrigan. Hawke and whoever (Heh, Aveline and Tallis were the only ones who interested mine, and he doesn't expect anything to happen there, pretty much ever), or the inquisitor and any number of LIs.
How do you justify picking one out of the pack and not doing the others? Sure, Morrigan and the warden got a scene together at the end of witch Hunt, but the impetus for that was more dealing with a major plot point--the OGB, dangerous or not, and giving the PC an opportunity not to be a deadbeat dad if applicable, or try to kill her (and it) if he/she deemed it too dangerous to survive.
There's no such unfinished business with Solas since the inquisitor doesn't know enough to have a reason to look for him outside the romance angle, making a potential dlc a bit nebulous if you didn't romance him. Why would that inquisitor be looking for him?





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