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I must say two things:

 

1) I want to continue the Solas romance more than I want to continue any other romance, if only to tie up loose ends

 

2) Those of you who like the Solas romance the most must be masochists... and I mean that in a nice way.  :P I personally prefer the happy ending you get with Cullen, not to mention, the adoration he shows you. I guess I'm not a fan of tragic endings and broken hearts, but I love Solas' character, so getting some closure would be nice.

 

I've romanced all the characters (I have no life) but I understand what it's like to feel like you can only romance one. Two years had to pass before I could romance Kaidan instead of Garrus. 


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I think the Solas romance is doomed, unless there is some way to separate the essences of all the "gods" he carries from him.  And that would have to be done forcefully, since he is a willing host.

 

"Total Heartbreak" indeed.  Let it go.  Solas is that hot manipulative guy with crazy issues that you can never change.  He's poison.  Go romance Cullen or something.   :)

 

Don't let your Inquisitor's man picker be broken unless you really want to torture your character that way.

 

Well, Solas isn't really carrying their essence because he never died like Mythal did. He's just been hibernating for ages - had to go there - and woke up recently.


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I must say two things:
 
1) I want to continue the Solas romance more than I want to continue any other romance, if only to tie up loose ends
 
2) Those of you who like the Solas romance the most must be masochists... and I mean that in a nice way.  :P I personally prefer the happy ending you get with Cullen, not to mention, the adoration he shows you. I guess I'm not a fan of tragic endings and broken hearts, but I love Solas' character, so getting some closure would be nice.
 
I've romanced all the characters (I have no life) but I understand what it's like to feel like you can only romance one. Two years had to pass before I could romance Kaidan instead of Garrus.



Haha I was the same way with Thane.... sigh. Maybe I will reroll and romance Cullen after all.
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#204
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Long-time DA fan. I know that romancing Solas wasn't part of the original plan, but I have to agree with some of the comments here about his romance being so much more compelling. It's the subtext. It's amazing. It's this kind of thing that got me obsessed with DA in the first place: the character interaction and relationship development. I've been excited for every new release of this series, but if something came out continuing the Solas/Elven/Companion/Romance storyline, my excitement will reach new peaks and I would have to pre-order immediately!

 

Plus, we were able to snag a king for a husband in Origins, the only way to top that is snagging a god. 



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I do have to add one thing. In the dialogue with Solas after he breaks things off, he promises that all questions will be answered after Corypheus is dead. This set up a clear expectation for me as a gamer that wasn't fulfilled. In terms of a narrative device, setting up an expectation like that is used to foreshadow, and therefore drive readers/gamers on. To not fulfill such a promise just results in lost faith in the writers.

 

The only way I could see not fulfilling that expectation of a conversation between Levellan and Fin-Harel is if the storyline gets carried over. It might even suggest a personality overhaul (ex. Solas, through Cole, says he wouldn't want to cause pain to anyone "he once cared for" as though he remembers but no longer cares for Cole or the player. This could indicate that whatever happened between him and Mythal left him changed. This would be an interesting plot development, perhaps even darkening the Solas character, but I digress). 

 

My point: I know Solas wasn't originally designed to be romanceable, but you guys stumbled upon an awesome accident in deciding to do it. It's worth being followed through with more completely. 



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That line from Solas through Cole bothered me at first, too, until I replayed it after the shock and some of the horrible, crushing chest pain wore off. Solas acts differently before his meeting with Mythal. He shuts down his feelings. In his own words "Harden your heart to a cutting edge." He still cares but he can't. He can't let that slip through for a second longer. He was already a breath away from telling her everything. And it isn't just her but everyone, all the friends he's made, real physical friends that he hasn't had since his days in Arlathan most likely.

I saw it as word reinforcement: if you say it, it has to be true. It makes it real. He can't allow himself to care anymore. But I see him as someone deeply influenced by his emotions. You can never lock away everything no matter how hard you try.

Or I'm desperately grasping at straws. lol
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I must say two things:

 

1) I want to continue the Solas romance more than I want to continue any other romance, if only to tie up loose ends

 

2) Those of you who like the Solas romance the most must be masochists... and I mean that in a nice way.  :P I personally prefer the happy ending you get with Cullen, not to mention, the adoration he shows you. I guess I'm not a fan of tragic endings and broken hearts, but I love Solas' character, so getting some closure would be nice.

 

I've romanced all the characters (I have no life) but I understand what it's like to feel like you can only romance one. Two years had to pass before I could romance Kaidan instead of Garrus. 

 

 

I agree with you. 

 

I'd rather have that option for a Happy ending for my Lavellan and Solas than not. I didn't like what happened between my Thane and Shepard and hope it doesn't come to that sort of ending with Solas.  :(

 

 

HAPPY ENDING FTW!!!!!!  <3  <3  <3


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Ok this is just a random input, but did anybody else notice that as you're trudging through the snow after your first encounter with Coreyphyus, there is a wolf howling as you go. It's just one wolf, and I've noticed (through numerous play throughs) that the closer you get to camp, the louder the howls get. Idk, maybe it's just some random wolf just out in the wilds. But I like to think maybe it was Solas somehow keeping an eye on you haha. And he doesn't seem that surprised that you made it back alive..maybe because he was there the whole time! Any thoughts?



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Solas himself always says "it's more complicated than that".  Honestly, the dude is a master manipulator and narcissist.  He values spirits over flesh and blood people who are suffering due to his actions in the past.  "His people" need him -- he's not talking about the common elves, he's talking about his god friends.

 

Sure, he doesn't like slavery.  Sure, he doesn't like violence.  That doesn't mean he's a good guy.  You can't just throw out all the old legends of ruthless and cunning Fen'Harel.

 

Not to mention he willingly gave the orb to "The Elder One". 



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I am adding my voice to the howling choir lol

 

I love the Solas romance, to the point where I can't really bring myself to romance anyone else.

I want to this arch continue, I want to know what the F**k happens, I want to know if my poor Lavellen finds out the truth.

 

and... I also just want more Solas damn it! I'm addicted



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I'm lending my support to for the 'Wolf Hunt dlc' .

Trust me, I know what it feels like being much attached to a certain character (looks at self). I romanced Cullen and then find myself unable to resist clicking the heart icon on his dialogue wheel (and unable to move on to other romances), so yeah.. I could only imagine how tough it is for you guys X(

Hoping you all get the Solas closure in forms of dlc or maybe even an expansion :)
With tons of content for romance and friendmance and even for the frenemies :D
Heck, make it something like the Citadel dlc (so no one gets left out. Face it, everyone wants to have more screen time with their favourite cast, romance wise or not) remove the 'clone' plot and tie the story around FenHarel :D everybody wins (I hope)
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Heck, make it something like the Citadel dlc (so no one gets left out. Face it, everyone wants to have more screen time with their favourite cast, romance wise or not) remove the 'clone' plot and tie the story around FenHarel :D everybody wins (I hope)

 

I can totally see Iron Bull landing himself in the infirmary, breaking out, eating too many noodles, and crashing a wagon that catches on fire.  Complete with quizzy needing to bail him out from an extremely confused chevalier :P

 

Goofiness aside, Citadel highlighted the core strength of BioWare's games: the characters.  They are our point of connection to the fictional world, the emotional heart that drives the story.  They influence how we feel about Thedas, and really well written characters challenge our established notions.  So yes please to more character-centric DLC--not just for Solas, but for the whole DA:I cast.


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I can totally see Iron Bull landing himself in the infirmary, breaking out, eating too many noodles, and crashing a wagon that catches on fire. Complete with quizzy needing to bail him out from an extremely confused chevalier .

...*snip*


... I love you, Grunt <3:D

And +1 to everything you said ;)

Btw since we all know that the 'modern day elves' aren't part of his 'People' (and not exactly his cup of tea) makes me kinda wonder what will the Dalish be should his plans succeed? Since they seemed to fall short on even Abelas' standard to be called 'proper elves', I can't help but wonder what will happen to the 'quickened elves' since we know at the time of Elvhenan, they kept both human and elven slaves (makes me wonder that maybe Tevinter got some of their bad habit from Arlathan XD that's what my Lavellan suspects, tho.. hopefully she's wrong XD..)
Thoughts?

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Im not sure why people think BW would release a "Wolf Hunt" style DLC about Solas, is not gonna happen, especially in regard to his romance



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I recognize Solas. He is Spock, he is Sherlock, he is Reid. If you did a Myers-Briggs on the guy he'd definitely be an INT(don't know if he's a P or a J). He's all about the thinking. He's all about the life inside his mind. He's all about discovering new data and finding out new things. INT's are not popular people. They get called cold, snotty, know-it-alls all the time. But one thing they are NOT is narcissistic. INT's don't want power, don't trust power and work to prevent the powerful from bullying the powerless. Narcissists are constantly calling attention to themselves in a LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME, I'M REALLY NEAT sort of way. When Solas speaks, nine times out of ten, he's trying to convey data because that's what INT's are all about, gathering and understanding new data and sharing it. The INT's failing is that he/she cannot really understand people who get all emotional about things, and people who don't want to KNOW what the data is. While INT's have emotions, they usually trust what they think over what they feel, and have a hard time expressing feelings (but they do have them, and deep ones).

 

As to a DLC. Yes, I want one, and I don't care if the romance ends in joy or tragedy, I just want an ending. Having Solas disappear is like having someone kidnap your child, and you never find the body. So yeah, I want an answer darn it. Kill him or return him to me, but give me the cliche - CLOSURE!


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I agree with you. 

 

I'd rather have that option for a Happy ending for my Lavellan and Solas than not. I didn't like what happened between my Thane and Shepard and hope it doesn't come to that sort of ending with Solas.  :(

 

 

HAPPY ENDING FTW!!!!!!  <3  <3  <3

I always go and get drunk at the bar after Thane dies (I've said this before,but...). And the first time I saw the vids? I cried like crazy. but at least, I knew he was gone and I could mourn him (I usually go into his empty quarters on my traditional walk through the Normandy the night before the final battle) and move on if I chose.  The Solas ending leaves my Inquisitor in limbo, unable to mourn, unable to move on. Shame on you Bioware. I want an ending. Happy is great, but I'll take what I can get.



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I recognize Solas. He is Spock, he is Sherlock, he is Reid. If you did a Myers-Briggs on the guy he'd definitely be an INT(don't know if he's a P or a J). He's all about the thinking. He's all about the life inside his mind. He's all about discovering new data and finding out new things. INT's are not popular people. They get called cold, snotty, know-it-alls all the time. But one thing they are NOT is narcissistic. INT's don't want power, don't trust power and work to prevent the powerful from bullying the powerless. Narcissists are constantly calling attention to themselves in a LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME, I'M REALLY NEAT sort of way. When Solas speaks, nine times out of ten, he's trying to convey data because that's what INT's are all about, gathering and understanding new data and sharing it. The INT's failing is that he/she cannot really understand people who get all emotional about things, and people who don't want to KNOW what the data is. While INT's have emotions, they usually trust what they think over what they feel, and have a hard time expressing feelings (but they do have them, and deep ones).

 

As to a DLC. Yes, I want one, and I don't care if the romance ends in joy or tragedy, I just want an ending. Having Solas disappear is like having someone kidnap your child, and you never find the body. So yeah, I want an answer darn it. Kill him or return him to me, but give me the cliche - CLOSURE!

 

I almost feel afraid after that, being an INT myself... :D Does no one like me and my ilk?? :crying:

 

Personally, these types always end up being my favorite characters.  :wub:


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I must say two things:

 

1) I want to continue the Solas romance more than I want to continue any other romance, if only to tie up loose ends

 

2) Those of you who like the Solas romance the most must be masochists... and I mean that in a nice way.  :P I personally prefer the happy ending you get with Cullen, not to mention, the adoration he shows you. I guess I'm not a fan of tragic endings and broken hearts, but I love Solas' character, so getting some closure would be nice.

 

I've romanced all the characters (I have no life) but I understand what it's like to feel like you can only romance one. Two years had to pass before I could romance Kaidan instead of Garrus. 

I usually end up monogamous in the games after romancing everyone at least once. This was the first game in which there were two characters I just couldn't romance, period. In Origins, it's Alistair, in DA:2 it's Fenris, but I must say, in this game I'm torn between Cullen and Solas. If I'm an elf, it's Solas (except for this playthrough - I am forcing myself to romance Cullen). And once I finally got around to romancing Garrus, I now find myself torn between a Thane/Kaiden romance and a Garrus one. Decisions, Decisions!



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I almost feel afraid after that, being an INT myself... :D Does no one like me and my ilk?? :crying:

 

Personally, these types always end up being my favorite characters.  :wub:

Totally and completely understand. And yes, they are my favorite types as well. Who else will engage in a lengthy conversation over the possibility that quantum uncertainty is the by-product of freewill or vice-versa? ;)


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Totally and completely understand. And yes, they are my favorite types as well. Who else will engage in a lengthy conversation over the possibility that quantum uncertainty is the by-product of freewill or vice-versa? ;)

 

Exactly. I actually do have ideas on quantum uncertainty and free will, among other things... It's part of a story I'm writing.  :whistle:

 

Sigh. I really ought to finish more of my stories so I can start actually publishing them.  :lol:



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Im not sure why people think BW would release a "Wolf Hunt" style DLC about Solas, is not gonna happen, especially in regard to his romance

Why not? Besides it would be absolutely amazing if Solas succeeds with his plan in some expansion game. Then you could either continue the romance or fight against him. Awesome addition either way. Everybody wins, everybody is happy. 



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Why not? Besides it would be absolutely amazing if Solas succeeds with his plan in some expansion game. Then you could either continue the romance or fight against him. Awesome addition either way. Everybody wins, everybody is happy. 

 

 You realize that you just restored a dead thread right?



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I must say two things:

 

1) I want to continue the Solas romance more than I want to continue any other romance, if only to tie up loose ends

 

2) Those of you who like the Solas romance the most must be masochists... and I mean that in a nice way.  :P I personally prefer the happy ending you get with Cullen, not to mention, the adoration he shows you. I guess I'm not a fan of tragic endings and broken hearts, but I love Solas' character, so getting some closure would be nice.

 

I can't speak for anyone else, but the lack of closure is part of what keeps me hooked (I want to know what happens, darn it!), and another part is that I'm hoping against hope that we'll be able to earn our happy ending. I hope they don't string us along over multiple games just to kill him (that would be soul-crushing), but... after a bitter struggle of chasing and searching and hoping and praying and trying to redeem him over multiple games, if we finally succeed? Can you imagine how much more rewarding the payoff would be? *_*



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Please please please... Let us continue this romance. I have never been so swept up in a game romance. I will never be able to play dragon age again if we leave it like it is after trespasser!

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Thread necromancy?

 

Well, I'll toss in my two cents, all the same.

 

Weekes did say he'd like to (if possible; he may be overruled) conclude the Solas romance arc in the next game, assuming there is a next game.  We don't know for sure yet that there will--it seems likely but has not officially been announced, and no one's allowed to admit if it will come to be or not.

 

If there is a next game, we will not be able to play the Inquisitor (at least, not from what the developers have said about the Inquisitor's story being done with), so even should the romance arc be concluded (whether "happy" or "sad" or not), we'll be less connected to that conclusion.  We'll only be seeing it second- or third-hand, maybe not even on screen but more as a codex entry/letter/etc. through whatever character we're playing at that point.

 

Ideally, I'd prefer if we had a dual protagonist game, where maybe the Inquisitor, even if he/she isn't adventuring any longer, is used in handling some aspects of the game, and the new protagonist is the one who goes out adventuring.  Then, we could follow the Inquisitor in a nice little cutscene, and control him/her in that confrontation with Solas.

 

Those of us who romanced Solas are not the only ones invested in seeing the outcome between Solas and the Inquisitor.  Whether you loved him, hated him, or were friends with him in your playthrough(s), the connection between the Inquisitor and Solas is personal in a way that it cannot be between Solas and a new protagonist.  As such, it would be most meaningful if the player were able to handle that interaction how they choose to, and that means a nice cut scene.  But realistically, the developers are going to want to spend their resources primarily on our new protagonist, and that makes it less likely we'll get a moving cutscene and more likely we'll see it wrapped up in text via codex, a letter, or even an ending slide if Solas is truly the Big Bad of DA4.

 

And that's still assuming that there's a DA4.  If there isn't, we're left lingering in headcanon territory--which can be both better and worse than what might exist in an actual game.

 

All we can do for now is trust that Patrick Weekes will find a way to conclude that arc in a way that leaves us satisfied, even if it isn't necessarily happy.  Honestly, not sure if it can be happy because it'd be difficult to trust Solas after learning he ended the world once and was willing to end it again, even if it meant hurting you tremendously--even telling you was obviously painful to the Inquisitor (okay, most Inquisitors--some might be a bit evil or something).

 

In the meantime, you could always vent your post-Trespasser DLC frustrations via writing a post-Trespasser Inquisitor/Solas fanfic, or go read others' post-Trespasser fics.  (No, this is not a plug for my fic; it's not post-Trespasser and would not offer anything in that direction).  I'd argue that while some such fics are definitely out of the line of canon etc., others are really well done and feel like they could certainly be a part of the actual story.