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[blademaster7]

(ending spoilers)


The ritual? I played as a male Warden in my last playthrough and I accepted Morrigans offer. I did it my self without talking to Alistair about it.

When we reach the Denerim gates and I get to talk with everyone, Alistair says: "[...]I know what Morrigan did was supposed to save us[...]

At this point I said to my self: "Ok, I guess he's supposed to know about it being a friend and a fellow Grey Warden. He deserves to know even if I would prefer not to tell him I took the easy way out."

So, I go into the city slay the Archdemon... you know the story... and during the coronation when I talked to Alistair he seemed clueless. Here's the dialogue

"I  just don't understand how you're still alive. I guess Riordan was wrong?"

I answered: "You don't want to know"

So what's the deal here? Did the Archdemon bump him in the head or something? It doesn't seem like a bug, but rather a mistake on Biowares part.

I would like to know if he is supposed to know or not? I know it probably doesn't affect anything but just for the sake of roleplaying I would prefer he didn't.

Modifié par blademaster7, 25 janvier 2010 - 11:54 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

He doesn't know.

[Monica21]

There are quite a few dialogue glitches with Alistair, and this sounds like one of many.

[TheBlackBaron]

It's a mistake on BioWare's part, or else a very common bug. I thought something was off when prior to Gates of Denerim he seemed acutely aware that the Warden and Morrigan were bonking and that the Dark Ritual had taken place.

I think he is supposed to know. I may have to go try out forcing him to do the Dark Ritual and see what he says at the coronation. If it's the same that pretty much confirms an oops from the writers.

EDIT: I don't think it's a glitch - the only way anybody could see this scene is if both he and Alistair survived the final battle, and the only way that can happen is with the Dark Ritual. So there's no other situation where that dialogue would be applicable.

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 25 janvier 2010 - 11:50 .

[_Aine_]

hehe i got that same line from *Loghain of all people* when he refused to sleep with Morrigan, and I was female. We both fought the archdemon ( loghain and myself) - I did the killing blow. Neither of us died. lol I assumed it was a total glitch and then Loghain asked me "I just don't understand how we're still alive. I guess Riordan was wrong?" or something like you said and I answered I bet it had to go something with Morrigans magic.

Not the dark ritual since clearly as a female I couldn't father her arch-demon shell baby and Loghain....well, i couldn't force him to do it. I grew to like the bugger and couldn't force him to do that (on that first loghain alive playthrough). I steeled myself to die and then ended up surviving and running off with Zevran... sending Loghain secret messages from " Orlesian spies" for fun Poor bastard. Needless to say, I think the endings can be a bit borked, but it keeps it fresh and interesting ;-) This time I am leading on Zevran, marrying Alistair as his Queen but then taking off with Sten if i can. Only until that Loghain romance mod comes out of course... although Sten rocks. Probably the only companion whose trust you earn more than anything...

All that was the long drawn out version of " Alistair may or may not know due to some end-game glitches that may affect game-play. " As a male warden, its likely he does NOT know, unless that sensing the Taint thing goes WAY further than I had imaged it to go. oO

Modifié par shantisands, 25 janvier 2010 - 11:50 .

[blademaster7]

I'm not the only one with this? It's probably glitched then.

Riordan died for nothing, Alistair is a king of a messed up Ferelden and I just let the most unmoral person in the world get away with the power of an old God. I'm such a jerk

Let the king deal with the baby I tell you. I don't know where it came from.

[TheBlackBaron]

You can always just blame the baby on Alistair. He's the King, he's supposed to have shady dalliances like that.

[_Aine_]

blademaster7 wrote...


Riordan died for nothing, Alistair is a king of a messed up Ferelden and I just let the most unmoral person in the world get away with the power of an old God. I'm such a jerk

Let the king deal with the baby I tell you. I don't know where it came from.

LOL! 
They have people to deal with that child minding business, those royals, I tell you!  All of us should just ship off with Sten and secretly plot to make the qunari female artisans want to be warriors and rebel.    Kidding, kidding, I would do NO such thing....  Glad to know i wasnt the one with the most unexpected ending, or at least alone in having a unique one  

[odiedragon]

This happened to me last night as well, and I had a similar reaction.



My husband's theory is that Alistair received a blow to the head in the final battle, and forgot that he knew about the ritual!

[blademaster7]

shantisands wrote...

LOL! 
They have people to deal
with that child minding business, those royals, I tell you!  All of us
should just ship off with Sten and secretly plot to make the qunari
female artisans want to be warriors and rebel.   [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/devil.png[/smilie] Kidding,
kidding, I would do NO such thing....  Glad to know i wasnt the one
with the most unexpected ending, or at least alone in having a unique
one  

That's the beauty of roleplaying. You can finish the game and the interpret the end any way you want. Some people
may think it was a good ending because you save yourself and Alistair and took Morrigan's word that the baby won't be evil.

In my eyes,my characterI was a selfish jerk.

odiedragon wrote...

This happened to me last night as well, and I had a similar reaction.

My husband's theory is that Alistair received a blow to the head in the final battle, and forgot that he knew about the ritual!

So it's common. The blow to the head makes sense actually.

What I'd like to know is what Bioware intented? Does he know or not?

Modifié par blademaster7, 26 janvier 2010 - 12:18 .

[BeljoraDien]

My guess would be that the before-battle speech was meant to be for when Alistair himself did the deed, but somehow it still triggers even if you did it. Thus, I think the intention was that he didn't know.

[jsachun]

Gee, only if Flemeth had triplets?!?!

[RangerSG]

Yeah, there's a dialogue error from Redcliffe to the Gate to the Epilogue. The ritual seems to me to have been intended to be an 'open secret' in your party. Something your group knew about but agreed to keep quiet. It makes the most sense of your ability to jest with Morrigan about her "condition" and Alistair's, "I know what you did was supposed to protect us..." dialogue.



The best solution seems to me to be that Alistair took a serious hit to the head too.

[SusanStoHelit]

I had the same thing with my male Cousland. I did the ritual, Alistair comments at the gates making it clear he knows what happened. Post coronation he doesn't know. Selective amnesia perhaps?

[odiedragon]

BeljoraDien wrote...

My guess would be that the before-battle speech was meant to be for when Alistair himself did the deed, but somehow it still triggers even if you did it. Thus, I think the intention was that he didn't know.

Except he implies that you (male PC) did "something with Morrigan" to keep them safe.  It clearly implied to me that he was in the "I know something's up, but I don't know the details" camp.

[TheBlackBaron]

SusanStoHelit wrote...

I had the same thing with my male Cousland. I did the ritual, Alistair comments at the gates making it clear he knows what happened. Post coronation he doesn't know. Selective amnesia perhaps?

Makes more sense if Alistair does it himself. The memory was obviously too traumatic for him.

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 26 janvier 2010 - 12:44 .

[SusanStoHelit]

TheBlackBaron wrote...
Makes more sense if Alistair does it himself. The memory was obviously too traumatic for him.

Lmao. Very true.

[nubbers666]

this is easy alistar is a complete moron he nows somethings up but he just doesnt want to now wut it is becuase he hates the whole blood magic crap stuff he probly figures its best to play stupid

[MishenNikara]

katie916 wrote...

this is easy alistar is a complete moron he nows somethings up but he just doesnt want to now wut it is becuase he hates the whole blood magic crap stuff he probly figures its best to play stupid

I don't think hes a complete moron, but your ignorant bliss theory would be the best explination.

[TheBlackBaron]

SusanStoHelit wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...
Makes more sense if Alistair does it himself. The memory was obviously too traumatic for him.

Lmao. Very true.

I admit, I keep a save right before heading upstairs so I can get his dialogue.

"Your wildest dreams come ture: sex with Morrigan!"

"I...I must be hearing things, but are you telling me you want me to impregnate Morrigan in some kind of magical sex rite!?"

Plus, the look on his face...when it's my Warden doing it, it looks like one of intense desire. When he's doing it, it looks like intense fear.

[errant_knight]

blademaster7 wrote...

(ending spoilers)


The ritual? I played as a male Warden in my last playthrough and I accepted Morrigans offer. I did it my self without talking to Alistair about it.

When we reach the Denerim gates and I get to talk with everyone, Alistair says: "[...]I know what Morrigan did was supposed to save us[...]

At this point I said to my self: "Ok, I guess he's supposed to know about it being a friend and a fellow Grey Warden. He deserves to know even if I would prefer not to tell him I took the easy way out."

So, I go into the city slay the Archdemon... you know the story... and during the coronation when I talked to Alistair he seemed clueless. Here's the dialogue

"I  just don't understand how you're still alive. I guess Riordan was wrong?"

I answered: "You don't want to know"

So what's the deal here? Did the Archdemon bump him in the head or something? It doesn't seem like a bug, but rather a mistake on Biowares part.

I would like to know if he is supposed to know or not? I know it probably doesn't affect anything but just for the sake of roleplaying I would prefer he didn't.

Sometimes the dialogue gets a little messed up with all the gender/relationship options. When you play a female warden and ask Alistair to do it, you have to tell him about the ritual for obvious reasons, although you don't have to tell him all the details. I always do, and I've never used 'persuade', either. Doesn't seem right, otherwise.

Modifié par errant_knight, 26 janvier 2010 - 02:08 .

[RangerSG]

errant_knight wrote...

blademaster7 wrote...

(ending spoilers)


The ritual? I played as a male Warden in my last playthrough and I accepted Morrigans offer. I did it my self without talking to Alistair about it.

When we reach the Denerim gates and I get to talk with everyone, Alistair says: "[...]I know what Morrigan did was supposed to save us[...]

At this point I said to my self: "Ok, I guess he's supposed to know about it being a friend and a fellow Grey Warden. He deserves to know even if I would prefer not to tell him I took the easy way out."

So, I go into the city slay the Archdemon... you know the story... and during the coronation when I talked to Alistair he seemed clueless. Here's the dialogue

"I  just don't understand how you're still alive. I guess Riordan was wrong?"

I answered: "You don't want to know"

So what's the deal here? Did the Archdemon bump him in the head or something? It doesn't seem like a bug, but rather a mistake on Biowares part.

I would like to know if he is supposed to know or not? I know it probably doesn't affect anything but just for the sake of roleplaying I would prefer he didn't.

Sometimes the dialogue gets a little messed up with all the gender/relationship options. When you play a female warden and ask Alistair to do it, you have to tell him about the ritual for obvious reasons, although you don't have to tell him all the details. I always do, and I've never used 'persuade', either. Doesn't seem right, otherwise.

But this isn't a gender/relationship issue. It happens with either gender. It's an oversight.

[Celuwen]

There are so many dialogue glitches after the landsmeet. :/

[Monica21]

Celuwen wrote...

There are so many dialogue glitches after the landsmeet. :/

There are. I'm not sure if Lady Olivia's mod fixes that specifically because I haven't played that far with this character, but it fixes a lot.

[Jaulen]

Someone did a mod to fix some of the Alistair convo glitches. I'm doing a playthrough now, hoping it works!



the odd convos after the landsmeet kind of take away from the game.