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[RangerSG]

blademaster7 wrote...

KurtCF wrote...

I don't know. I think the mistake Alistar made was telling my character that the woman he loved being gone was good riddance. The noble human warrior just lost the last bit of "family" he knows of(he hadn't walked down the steps to see his brother off to the side0. Had this been a pen and paper game the end dialogue would have been very different. I can live with Ailstar not understanding just exactly what the ritual was supposed to do.

You can tell him all you know about it if you want. But I didn't go that route, I didn't even speak to him.

Anyway, I found the problem. If Alistair is the one that goes through with the ritual he is fully aware how you both survived. He will talk to you at the gates and at the coronation about it.

If you're the one doing it, however without speaking to him he will mention the ritual at the gates. He isn't supposed to know at this point so it's probably a dialogue mess up. During the coronation he has no clue how you survived, which is how it's supposed to be, the mistake is earlier.

Yep, it's like I thought. The variable that was meant to switch if you talked to Alistair about the ritual or he did it beforehand is always firing. So Alistair always knows about the ritual at the gate. But the variable is working correctly at the coronation, so Alistair only knows if he's supposed to know.

[blademaster7]

TheLion36 wrote...

The situation with the old god soul depends how you look at it and what you expect she's going to do with that power... I completely trust Morrigan and I'm still very hopeful she'll suprise a lot of people and does something good with it, perhaps in some expansion this leads to 2 ways to end the blights for good, there might be some really hard solution (something about killing something or sacrificing something) or her child might besome sort of messiah that can end it all easier without sacrifice... who knows! 

Then again my trust in her might be my characters downfall at some point. I just hope that if she turns out to be evil in the end they'll give my character the option to go sit in the corner of a grey warden castle and cry his little broken heart out while the world gets ripped apart by whatever Bioware comes up with!

I don't think she ever gave me the impression that she actually gives a s*** about the blight. You went through anything, and here you are just mere hours away of facing the Archdemon. If she doesn't get what she wants, she leaves.

It's too hard for me to believe that she actually wants the child for something good. And the actions she approves during your journeys just can't convince me otherwise.

- She suggests you side with Kolgrim because he promised you power.. defiling something which means everything to so many people

- She finds Caladrius offer interesting and she approves of killing the elves so you can become stronger.

- She thinks that siding with the Werewolves is "more fun"

- She wants to preserve the Anvil because it can give you power

- A banter with Wynne where she admits that if she was in her place she would summon another spirit to prolong her life...

All she cares about is power.

[TheLion36]

blademaster7 wrote...

TheLion36 wrote...

The situation with the old god soul depends how you look at it and what you expect she's going to do with that power... I completely trust Morrigan and I'm still very hopeful she'll suprise a lot of people and does something good with it, perhaps in some expansion this leads to 2 ways to end the blights for good, there might be some really hard solution (something about killing something or sacrificing something) or her child might besome sort of messiah that can end it all easier without sacrifice... who knows! 

Then again my trust in her might be my characters downfall at some point. I just hope that if she turns out to be evil in the end they'll give my character the option to go sit in the corner of a grey warden castle and cry his little broken heart out while the world gets ripped apart by whatever Bioware comes up with!

I don't think she ever gave me the impression that she actually gives a s*** about the blight. You went through anything, and here you are just mere hours away of facing the Archdemon. If she doesn't get what she wants, she leaves.

It's too hard for me to believe that she actually wants the child for something good. And the actions she approves during your journeys just can't convince me otherwise.

- She suggests you side with Kolgrim because he promised you power.. defiling something which means everything to so many people

- She finds Caladrius offer interesting and she approves of killing the elves so you can become stronger.

- She thinks that siding with the Werewolves is "more fun"

- She wants to preserve the Anvil because it can give you power

- A banter with Wynne where she admits that if she was in her place she would summon another spirit to prolong her life...

All she cares about is power.

She's a practicalist and survivalist, but she seems to have strong feelings towards freedom and not really only for herself as far as I can tell... She was actually right not approving with helping the redcliffe village since you didn't have any time for it, luckily this game isn't time based!  She also approved of freeing Sten which I think showed part of her softer self! And the fact that she wouldn't mind you defiling the ashes is that the ashes mean nothing to her, she doesn't believe in the maker and hates the chantry, which also isn't a hatred without foundation...

A lot of these approvals are because of Flemeths upbringing, however throughout the game you notice that she's quite soft on the inside, way softer than she leads anyone to believe ... One good example of this is the party banther with dog where she keeps pretending to hate the creature but ends up giving him food later on with the added remark that he shouldn't tell anyone...  Another example of this is when you talk to her about her mother and she ask you about yours, if you answer that all there is to say is that she loved you, you can see in her behaviour that she really wished this from Flemeth, but was hurt cause she never received it...
Also the deeper you get into the game with her in either romance or friendship the more you can tell that she starts to doubt certain things in her upbringing... She starts considering you a friend or a lover, two things she at first considered useless and disgusting, when you give her the mirror and when you deal with Flemeth you can tell she's struggling with the fact that you did this without wanting a reward and hopefully she learns something from it... Don't forget she was brought up secluded from the world and all that she knows is what Flemeth told her...

I still hope that our hero rubs off on her a little and to be honest I think he/she already has! 

There have however been more than one threads filled on this topic and I wouldn't want to hijack this one... so lets just keep it at the fact that she's an interesting creature that could end up either being evil or not quite so evil...

Modifié par TheLion36, 01 février 2010 - 10:53 .

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

IronWolf1987 wrote...

I never feel guilty about the ritual. It was either don't do the ritual and place the entire battle on 3 grey wardens, or do the ritual and ensure that anyone in my army can kill the arch demon. It's stupid not to do the ritual.

This. While it’s not 100% clear that anyone can kill the dragon, that does seem to be the implication. The Wardens are still the best choice to try to get the kill, though, as there is no in game guarantee that Morrigan’s ritual will work prior to that actual final stroke.
 
This is also pretty much exactly why my Warden on my first playthrough did the ritual. On top of that , after bullying Alistair into becoming king for the greater good of the country, it seemed like it was risking too much to essentially give him a 1 in 3 shot of being the sacrifice. From a male POV no less. 
 
There’s also an interesting subtext about the old gods. My mage PCs are always a bit leery about the Chantry and the oldest human mage traditions have a long history of associations with the old gods. Freeing one or more of them could eventually have large repercussions for Mages and the Chantry as a whole no matter what Morrigan intends. Any human mage would have to take this into consideration as would especially religious PCs (some Human Nobles, Warden’s in love with Leliana, etc.)….
 
All that on top of the purely selfish idea of survival. 

[Darkannex]

meh-ignore me. LOL. 

Modifié par Darkannex, 01 février 2010 - 05:44 .

[Loki330]

Vanderbilt_Grad wrote...

There’s also an interesting subtext about the old gods. My mage PCs are always a bit leery about the Chantry and the oldest human mage traditions have a long history of associations with the old gods. Freeing one or more of them could eventually have large repercussions for Mages and the Chantry as a whole no matter what Morrigan intends. Any human mage would have to take this into consideration as would especially religious PCs (some Human Nobles, Warden’s in love with Leliana, etc.)….
 
All that on top of the purely selfish idea of survival. 

Heh, my elf had the same line of thought, especially when she found out the verses from the sacred chance had been 'modified' to 'forget' to mention the elves who helped Andraste quite significantly, and then got shafted for their effiorts.
She's hoping a reborn god is going to wreck the Chantry, quite simply.

[TheBlackBaron]

That'd be cool, if Voodoo Child winds up bringing down the entire Chantry. Be like the God Emperor coming back and purging the Imperium of its corruption and whatnot.

[blademaster7]

Well if her intentions are so pure then why the hell didn't she say anything and run away not wanting to be followed?



Honestly I don't even wanna bother speculating about her plans anymore.

[Gold Dragon]

blademaster7 wrote...

Well if her intentions are so pure then why the hell didn't she say anything and run away not wanting to be followed?

Honestly I don't even wanna bother speculating about her plans anymore.

I don't think that Alistair would have cared too much for the Baby (Female PC), and doubly so if he is King.....