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[straightdave2000]

Anyone else wish this game had samurais and ninjas? I get that it's "fantasy Europe" but it would be cool to have fantasy Asians as well. Loke you can have some pirates come across them and stuff, see how easy it was bioware? Where's my katanas?!

[Mostly_Harmless]

You can't be serious.

[Nashimura]

You can't be serious.

 

 

 I don't really see a problem with Asia getting some representation in Thedas, maybe as a civilization that is yet to make contact.   

[Chuvvy]

We haven't even seen all of thedas yet. We don't need another continent/civilization in DA.

[Rifneno]

I would rather drink a pint of lava than see them pander to the weeaboo market.

[TheWinstitute]

 I don't really see a problem with Asia getting some representation in Thedas, maybe as a civilization that is yet to make contact.   

 

I do see a problem.

Spoiler

Since Bethesda decided that their fantasy world has to have everything...even the tacit inclusion of a "fantasy Japan" that is "over there somewhere"...that no ones actually ever seen, its basically allowed the user base to take otherwise beautifully hand crafted worlds and turn them into what you see above...I mean if I didn't mention Bethesda you'd think that picture was some kind of weird high poly Second Life or something...but its not, its Skyrim, the good old land of blood, leather, steel and death, and apparently (づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づSO KAWAII(づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ too.

 

Cause why? Cause Japan.

 

Cause Bethesda said "oh yeah Nirn has a very asian culture called Akaviir...way over there on a continent you've never seen..but it invaded Tamriel a few times which is why we know how to make NINJA SWORDS"....when really all Akaviir is, is an excuse to have ninja daito in the first place...and then it just went all technicolor dreamcrap from there.

 

Sometimes, its just better to say no to Japan.

[ashwind]

Ninja and Samurai? Why stop there, lets get some Shaolin monks and some Giant Pandas while we are at it.

[Nyaore]

Oh god, this is not going to end well...

 

For my own two cents, I'd rather they leave Asian cultures until we get out of their analogue of medieval Europe, though I always felt that whatever culture the Kossith had and imparted upon the Qunari had a bit of a silk road influence. I remember one of Sten's dialogues from Origins fondly where he talked of incense and tea. 

[TheWinstitute]

Uh so you're blaming Bethesda for something the fans did? Your post makes it seem like the whole of the ES universe centers around the Samurai/Japanese stuff, which it doesn't. 

 

I believe Bethesda has a certain responsibility for enabling the fans to justify it...yes.

 

I've been a game modder for about 20 years now, I've watched the ebb and flow of mod development since Quake, I did a lot of mod work on Bethesda engine games and I also did a few mods for DA:O and DA2...the distinct difference between the mods for Bethesda games and the mods for BioWare games is the heavy lack of lore breaking, anime inspired crap for the DA series in comparison.

 

Most of the best mods for DA:O and even DA2 stay pretty close to the lore of Thedas as we know it. No ones really gone out of their way to make the Ninja Bikini of The Bard or attempted to dress up Leliana like Babydoll from Suckerpunch...and this is a GOOD THING.

 

DA previous to DA:I was highly modifiable, theres no specific reason why "KAWAII THEDAS" doesn't exist other than the fact that the game world never gave it an excuse to exist and thus no one felt the need for it.

[NWN-Ming-Ming]

Umm... I dunno about mixing my chocolate and peanut butter, but I'd very much like to see Bioware revist the Jade Empire properties, much more than seeing ninjas and samurai in Thedas in any case.  And the funny thing is, there were a couple of Jade Empire references made in Dragon Age.  Foremost in my memory is when Varric is asked why he named his crossbow 'Bianca', his response is "Because Mirabelle was taken" 

[Rifneno]

Oh, I almost forgot...

Where's my katanas?!

On the floor, shattered into pieces because katanas are crappy, weak, weak blades designed to try to compensate for the fact that ancient Japan only had pig iron and not real iron like Europe. When not being wielded by an animu character, katanas break the first time you parry or make the mistake of trying to slash too hard with it.

Katanas are terrible swords.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

I believe Bethesda has a certain responsibility for enabling the fans to justify it...yes.

What? that make no sense how and why Bethesda is responsible for something a certain group of the fans created.

[taranoire]

Sometimes I feel like "anti-weaboos" are just trying really, really hard to explain away their xenophobia.

Why does it bother you so much? Seriously. 

[Rifneno]

Sometimes I feel like "anti-weaboos" are just trying really, really hard to explain away their xenophobia.
Why does it bother you so much? Seriously.

It's funny because Japan is far and away the world leader in xenophobia.

[TheWinstitute]

What? that make no sense how and why Bethesda is responsible for something a certain group of the fans created.

 

If there was no Akaviir on Nirn, there wouldn't be the original justification for the assimilation of asian culture into Tamrielic lore.

 

Akaviir serves no direct purpose in Tamriel based TES games other than to pander to a certain demographic and and leave the door open to that demographic.

[TheWinstitute]

Sometimes I feel like "anti-weaboos" are just trying really, really hard to explain away their xenophobia.

Why does it bother you so much? Seriously. 

 

The same reason it would probably bother you if the cast of The Expendables suddenly showed up in HBO's adaptation of Game of Thrones, and they all went and blew up King's Landing to remove the Lannisters from the throne, flew a C-109 up to the Dreadfort and had a wire-fu hand to hand combat fight with Roose Bolton, then went on to go north of the wall to defeat Cobra Commander as he attempted to invade the south with his army of Walking Dead zombies.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

If there was no Akaviir on Nirn, there wouldn't be the original justification for the assimilation of asian culture into Tamrielic lore.

 

Akaviir serves no direct purpose in Tamriel based TES games other than to pander to a certain demographic and and leave the door open to that demographic.

You can't be serious. You're thinking as if there is no differences between Asian culture and modern Asian culture. In fact Asian culture is not all about Japanese popular culture, kawaii, anime, manga or japanese street fashion.

True, but at the same time if you're blaming Bethesda for what the certain group of fans created it's irrational IMO.

[TheWinstitute]

No I think you just avidly despise anime and its followers and possibly anything related to Japan/Asia. Blaming the company and branding them "enablers" for something the modding community did is stupid and quite juvenile. All of your reasoning or lack thereof points to the fans not the company, so either you're just butthurt about seeing so many anime mods out there (which you don't have to install btw) or you just hate Japan/anything related to it..and judging by the tone of your posts that seems about right. 

 

I do not avidly despise anime and its followers. See my response to taranoire to see my narrative logic.

[urmomzorz]

 

DARKSPAWN KAWAII DESU~~~~~

[TheWinstitute]

You can't be serious. You're thinking as if there is no differences between Asian culture and modern Asian culture. In fact Asian culture is not all about Japanese popular culture, kawaii, anime, manga or japanese street fashion.

True, but at the same time if you're blaming Bethesda for what the certain group of fans created it's irrational IMO.

 

DA draws fans from the same pool. Yet the mod content for DA is far more respectful of the games lore. Mod content for Skyrim...by and large, is not 100% represented by people attempting to turn it into some kind of personal fantasy manga, but the difference in volume of such content, between TES games and DA games is very obvious.

 

And the difference is one world has allowed for it by basically saying "Its Nirn, everything thats cool happens here too" and DA on the other hand has been relatively distinct with its lore and the mod content around it reflects that lore.

[TheWinstitute]

Your logic is flawed, you're complaining about Akavir/Asian setting having no place in Tamriel yet then we have Hammerfell an obviously Saudia Arabia/Middle East-inspired country, Skyrim which is an icy-Nordic inspired country, oh and Black Marsh the swampy country of Lizard people. The whole of Nirn is culturally diverse yet you're saying Akavir has no place in it, bullocks!

 

I never said that Akaviir had no place on Nirn. What I said is that its a continent on Nirn that has never been seen and only been referenced in the series lore. Its entire purpose is to round off the "cultural diversity" of Nirn by allowing asian culture to have a foothold in the lore as well.

 

Issue is, we've seen Hammerfell...though to be honest its been a long time since we've seen it actively. We've seen parts of the Black Marsh, we've seen Vvanderfel and Cyrodiil and even the Summerset Isles and bits and pieces of Elsewhyr.

 

Akaviir has served no physical purpose other than to say..sure you can be a samurai in Tamriel...it totally makes sense.

[taranoire]

TES games (and Fallout games) have ALWAYS been very open to modification, especially Oblivion and Skyrim, and this was further encouraged with Bethesda's creation kit. Saying Dragon Age has enjoyed that same malleability is a falsehood. The reason you don't see so much non-lore-friendly mods for Dragon Age is because there's not much room for any mods to start with. Compare the entire DA Nexus to Skyrim's and you'll notice there's a HUGE difference both in mod scope and availability in the first place.