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[TheWinstitute]

TES games (and Fallout games) have ALWAYS been very open to modification, especially Oblivion and Skyrim, and this was further encouraged with Bethesda's creation kit. Saying Dragon Age has enjoyed that same malleability is a falsehood. The reason you don't see so much non-lore-friendly mods for Dragon Age is because there's not much room for any mods to start with. Compare the entire DA Nexus to Skyrim's and you'll notice there's a HUGE difference both in mod scope and availability in the first place. 

 

File wise? Sure but DA:O is no harder to mod than the TES and Fallout games are. In fact its decidely easier to mod...if you've worked in both systems and understand them.

 

In all fairness, previous to Skyrim the Nexus total file count even for its largest draws such as Oblivion and the Fallout series were relatively small. Modding exploded (again..because in all fairness there have been plenty of modding explosions over the years) with the release of Skyrim and Skyrim has been the modification base that a lot of newer hobbyist developers cut their teeth on.

 

DA:O has less mods not because it was harder to mod but because it simply had a smaller mod developer base than Skyrim has. And in all fairness the BSN splitting mod development between the BSN and the Nexus also didn't help as there are mods you will ONLY find on the Legacy BSN that were never exposed to the non-BSN modding community.

 

But numerically its just about the visual profile of a certain game as modifiable. My DA:O mods have around 26,000 downloads, my Fallout 3 and Fallout:NV mods have around 60k downloads, my Skyrim mods have 150k+ downloads or more...so its not that DA:O was harder to mod, there were just less people modding it.

[TheWinstitute]

Uh what? You said:

 

 

 

 

In any case I'm done arguing with you, I think you're just an irrational troll who's bitter about anime and Japanese stuff and taking it out on the devs of the game. But keep using that "blame the company for what the mods do" logic, you've been in the business for 20 years (so you say) I'm sure you know what you're talking about 

 

Nobody asked you to argue with me in the first place. If I was an irrational troll I'd be calling you names like "weeaboo sympathizer" (I don't even know what weeaboo means) and whatever else. I'm laying the blame for the lore divisive content at the developers feet because the developer decided to open the door to that content by giving it a place to hail from.

 

Saying Akaviir panders to a demographic is not saying Akaviir has no right to be in the game. Bethesda says its there so its there. But that doesn't make it any less pandering to a certain demographic.

 

In the end, the point is, fantasy Japan in any game just gives people an excuse to push their idea of what fantasy Japan is. And to be fair, if BioWare wants to do fantasy Japan, they'd do much better by reviving the Jade Empire franchise, than trying to insert that into pre-established worlds like Gaider's.

[Fyurian2]

Oh, I almost forgot...


On the floor, shattered into pieces because katanas are crappy, weak, weak blades designed to try to compensate for the fact that ancient Japan only had pig iron and not real iron like Europe. When not being wielded by an animu character, katanas break the first time you parry or make the mistake of trying to slash too hard with it.

Katanas are terrible swords.

A "true katana" is technically an inferior sword by comparison to other swords, but "katana style" swords using proper materials are superior to their "true" counterparts.

I say "true katana" because officially a katana has to be made using the same materials and forging process as was traditional. "Katana like" are the ones that use modern/superior materials and processes.

Regardless of "true" or not, a katana isn't an inherently terrible sword.

It's still functional and will perform well. Not as well as similar swords made with better materials or superior forging processes, but well enough.

Ultimately it's like saying that an AK-47 isn't as good as an AK-74 or modern M-16. It'll still do the job it was designed to do, and do it well. The others are better, but the AK-47 isn't a terrible weapon and a katana isn't a terrible sword.

[Master Race]

I wouldn't mind a mix of ancient east asia thrown in Dragon Age. However, wouldn't want it to simply be humans who look asian.

 

Instead create a whole new humonoid race, with the culture/life style of ancient china/japan. Sort of how they have the Qunari very similar to Islamic peoples (Turkey, Arabs etc) but are a completely different race and also have differences. The whole honour-bound life style. Incorporate Confucianism and Bushido or maybe taoism and Buddhism and make them more a peaceful race. Lots of opportunity.

 

I don't see it happening though since they already got the Qunari that recently landed they wouldn't add a whole new race/civilization that will invade.

[Hasagawa]

I seen too many ninjas and samurai... Not in DragonAge please

[ManOfSteel]

If there's one thing Dragon Age doesn't need, it's fantasy Japan. I have no problem with throwing some ancient eastern culture into that of a different nation or race (just as they incorporated aspects of real world civilizations into the Qunari for instance) but fantasy japan as orlais is france? Pass.

[Savber100]

You mean a fantasy world that actually consists of DIFFERENT cultures beyond Western culture? 

Hell yeah. 

I am so sick of all these different variations of western medieval culture. If Asian cultures can coincide along with European cultures, why not in Thedas (where it's mostly French, Welsh, British, etc)?

[Ogillardetta]

There are enough representations of Japan in gaming and I grew tired of it around 1998. Serveral modern games are out there with Japanese culture and underage heroes and all that.
 

[Sardoni]

Sure Jade Empire 2 would not be Dragon Age.

[herkles]

If we are going to have asian fantasy cultures, instead of japan; I want India, Indonesia, and southeast asia(cambodia, vietnam, thailand and so forth) instead. Those regions of the world have rich history, rich cultures, rich mythologies that are ripe for story ideas and gaming ideas. But when ever someone talks about 'asia' in games it is always Japan and China. 

 

So no to japan and yes to other asian regions.

[drake heath]

I'd like some Asian style civilizations in DA, but more along the lines of more diversity than "katanas and ninjas, so rad."

 

I like Medieval Asia (or Post-Classical Asia, whatever), it's a cool region and cool part of history, and I'm always sad that it gets little representation in fantasy beyond ninjas, samurais and kung-fu monks.

Especially India, I've never seen Fantasy India in any major fantasy RPG, even though that would be pretty cool.

[KaiserShep]

"Fantasy Japan", complete with ninjas and stuff, doesn't sound very appealing to me, but I do like the idea of having some sort of civilization introduced in the universe that draws from some eastern influence. The Avatar series is a good example of this.

[AceHalberd]

I imagine wherever the Qunari came from is akin to Fantasy Asia - they came from the north, and Par Vollen is Thedas' India, so it makes sense that if you keep going you'd hit Fantasy Asia.

[Osena109]

I would rather drink a pint of lava than see them pander to the weeaboo market.

whats a weeaboo?

[KaiserShep]

A person who is obsessed with Japanese culture/Japan/anime.

[drake heath]

But mostly anime.

[Z.Z]

In every western fantasy game I play there is a version of katana and a version of ninja. *sigh*
Alright I guess if it's done right, it can't hurt. I mean we already have zombie apocalypse.

[Bod02]

If there was no Akaviir on Nirn, there wouldn't be the original justification for the assimilation of asian culture into Tamrielic lore.

 

Akaviir serves no direct purpose in Tamriel based TES games other than to pander to a certain demographic and and leave the door open to that demographic.

You're a moron. You see the same crap in Fallout Games, as well as Tali Zorah and My Little Ponies. The references to Akavir themselves are relatively obscure and they've never even made an appearance. I admit it is a little weird for them to literally call those swords "katanas" what with being a japanese word and all. But classy design inspirations from real armours and weapons have nothing to do with anime. If anything Dragon Age 2 was far more "anime".

 

re: The op, why not. If Bioware is so keen on representation they actually should expand beyond the usual African American target.

[Vasudeva]

I do see a problem.

Spoiler

Since Bethesda decided that their fantasy world has to have everything...even the tacit inclusion of a "fantasy Japan" that is "over there somewhere"...that no ones actually ever seen, its basically allowed the user base to take otherwise beautifully hand crafted worlds and turn them into what you see above...I mean if I didn't mention Bethesda you'd think that picture was some kind of weird high poly Second Life or something...but its not, its Skyrim, the good old land of blood, leather, steel and death, and apparently (づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づSO KAWAII(づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ too.

 

Cause why? Cause Japan.

 

Cause Bethesda said "oh yeah Nirn has a very asian culture called Akaviir...way over there on a continent you've never seen..but it invaded Tamriel a few times which is why we know how to make NINJA SWORDS"....when really all Akaviir is, is an excuse to have ninja daito in the first place...and then it just went all technicolor dreamcrap from there.

 

Sometimes, its just better to say no to Japan.

PLEASE tell me this is a mod and not actual content in game.  Long time ES player, never have gotten to Skyrim yet, tell me this is a mod you can opt into and not part of that storied series

[Julia Luna]

Now that it became a generic korean MMORPG I'm ok with that. I don't care what they do with Dragon Age anymore but, even so, I will give reasons why there should be asian fantasy here...

 

Sorry for the speculation but I'm lazy to research the actual facts, and the precise information is not that relevant for my point anyway

 

1 - Orlais is somehow based on France

2 - Ferelden I guess England

3 - Antiva probably Spain

4 - Elves were mentioned to be inspired by the jews? That's what I recall anyway

 

Well the point is, if this part of the world we know is based on Europe there must be some part in this planet that represents America, Africa and Asia right? In fact Temple of Mythal reminds me of south american mayan or aztec temples... well, the thing is that The Dragon Age Setting is a reflection of our own world so somewhere there must be Asians...

 

Up unitl DA2 I would give a big NOOOOO, but now that it feels a lot like the korean mmorpgs I play I see no problem. We already have super jumping harlequins and merediths, the game can't sink any further it is alreay on the bottom. So if I see a pirate ninja fighting a giant spaceship of dragon monkeys in bikini's I'm ok with that. Imagine you fall with your mouth open in a pile of ****, you're probably going to vomit, but you wouldn't care about the vomit since you have **** on your mouth and that's precisely how I feel about Inquisition. There is nothing they can do to make it worse so they can do all the crazy things they want from now on.

[Rifneno]

PLEASE tell me this is a mod and not actual content in game.  Long time ES player, never have gotten to Skyrim yet, tell me this is a mod you can opt into and not part of that storied series

Mods, don't worry.

[Tevinter Soldier]

just sounds like fan service, the OP mentions pirates yet traditional japanese vessels were shithouse they could barely maneuver there were certainly great asian pirates but not many came from japan medieval japanese ships were basically ****** poor troop carriers.

 

already people are thinking about katana's and samurai and ****. why is there an incessant need have japanese influence, ASIA is pretty big place. if we need to an asian influence why does it have to be japanese? 

 

India, mongol's, mayala's.

Hell given you want pirates and biowares blending of cultures and time periods singapore would fantastic as pirate influence.

 

Why does asia have to mean ninja stars and samurai swords?

nobody goes well it's europe so let's do guillotines

or america let's do gun's.

 

If people want an asian influence i don't have an issue with it exactly (i still don't like including things just because hey people asked for it)

but saying Japan smacks as i want to be ninja, let me be a ****** ninja!

 

It isn't to enrich or diversify the world, because there's countless cultures in and out of asia that could easily do that. you want because you want to be a ninja. and that's pointless i once wanted to be batman doesn't mean bioware should bring out spandex outfits in DA4 

[Vasudeva]

If we are going to have asian fantasy cultures, instead of japan; I want India, Indonesia, and southeast asia(cambodia, vietnam, thailand and so forth) instead. Those regions of the world have rich history, rich cultures, rich mythologies that are ripe for story ideas and gaming ideas. But when ever someone talks about 'asia' in games it is always Japan and China. 

 

So no to japan and yes to other asian regions.

I wants some panda monks, yea! But on a serious note, there would be a lot of awesome content surrounding Asia, Angor Wat comes to mind, as does ancient and medieval India, China, lot that could be explored please NO pandas, ninjas etc etc

[Rawgrim]

Every rogue is now a ninja. I don't see how adding Japan would in any way enhance that.