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[TheWinstitute]

 

When someone say "We want ancient Japanese culture" thing that struck me in my head is this

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After removing all your hilarious overuse of punctuation, bold text "shouting" and attempts to assert yourself in an "I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG" response to a post that is entirely subjective in the first place..

 

I can simply answer the one valid point you made with the following answer.

 

If the above is what people want when they want fantasy Japan, they should be chatting up BioWare about Jade Empire 2. Jade Empire was quite good, its unfortunate that its been left in the dustbin of history really.

[Sylentmana]

Have fun trying to cut through full plate armor with a katana. Will probably be the last thing you'll ever try to do

Trying to cut through a full plate of armor with any sword will likely end badly. That's why the mace was invented, to bash armored fools in the face and/or head area.  It also means you ran out of arrows and your lance is broken.

[Lennard Testarossa]

its a game. i dont think european swords can cut plate armour either or kill dragons. This extreme anti-katana sentiment feels like a reactionary thing, like because the katana was so revered and people claimed it could cut bullets now anyone who "knows better" feels compelled to mock it and call it the worst weapon in the world any time it's brought up.

 

European swords can't cut plate armor, no. But they would do more damage than Katanas, since they aren't necessarily meant for cutting. And a Katana can cut bullets. Cutting lead with steel isn't particularly hard.

[Asdrubael Vect]

This game need some Russia

 

3 headed dragons

 

old ice wizard with his granddaughter 

 

immortal dark mage knights with minions who kidnap pretty noble females-overlords

 

underwater mage king with many daughters

 

walking trees and old witches..ok we already have flemeth and sylvans

 

bear cavalry knights

 

witchers

 

giants

 

speaking smart cats on ancient trees with golden chain

 

mermaids

 

birdwomans

 

flying ships

 

water who turn humans into goats

 

some strangers old mans who turn some 33 old ill and lazy peasant man into super soldier who protects peoples

[rigron]

NO, just NO

[Julia Luna]

Dragonageverse already have CloudStrifelikemateriablades, now we also have knightenchanterjedilightsaber... oh guys, you make me laugh caring so much about "culture", this ship has long departed...

 

DAO had a coeherent feeling, a world that made sense, since DA2 it is all too fantastic. Seriously, the first time I clicked an enemy with my Rogue in DA2 and my Rogue jumped like a ninja and dove like an eagle to stab with their knives I thought "yeah, DA is officially dead" - of course I underestimated what Bioware could do and they mutilated the dead DA with Inquisition so that it made DA2 look pretty good.

 

Let's just put everything in Thedas and see how it works. India is great, China too, Japan, whatever! Also native north american, south american, fairies, angels and everything you can think of. Since it became **** at least let it be highly customizable and with lots of random content.

 

I should have known that when I saw ET elves and Satan Qunari I should have stopped... but in the end it is cool seeing people stil care about the series because the greater the hope the greater the fall, Everything you love will die, everything you keep sacred will be profaned, because that's their goal with this franchise.

[Aren]

Nanto shinken, Hokuto ryuken atatatata

[o Ventus]

European swords can't cut plate armor, no. But they would do more damage than Katanas, since they aren't necessarily meant for cutting. And a Katana can cut bullets. Cutting lead with steel isn't particularly hard.

If it's a bullet that isn't moving, sure. Any average bladed weapon should be able to do that provided there's enough force behind the strike. The folded steel used in katanas is notoriously weak and prone to damage though, so a katana will never cut a bullet that has any kinetic energy behind it, like if it were fired from a gun.

[o Ventus]

Originally, ninja, actually called shinobi, were samurai who did covert ops. They later became a seperate group who were very mercenary in their dealings though there were some in the Edo period that served the Shogun.  Some were farmers and peasants, but most were trained for their jobs which mostly involved espionage and sabotage, usually through arson.

 

If discovered, they were very much able to defend themselves and were just as capable as a samurai in 1v1 fights, but never fought fair and prefered to flee.  They weren't the supper soldiers modern media makes them out to be nor were they super assassins. While assassination was something they did, they didn't do it nearly as often as the media projects, sabotage being they're main gig.  My statement of rogues being like ninja was in reference to the modern portrayal of ninja.

 

Sorry about the history lesson there. I wrote a research paper on the shinobi for my Japanese History class this semester and I was excited to be able to use some of what I learned.

I guess it also helps that "ninja", historically speaking, refers to 2 distinct groups of people (whom you just outlined, so further explanation is redundant). Good point about the "original" ninjas effectively being black ops samurai.

 

Ninjas also never ran around in those silly black clothes and masks, either (like Ryu Hayabusa in Ninja Gaiden). Real ninjas simply wore disguises to blend in, and if they ever operated at night or in the dark, black clothing is actually fairly noticeable. They would more likely have worn a dark (VERY dark) blue.

 

Fun fact: the idea of ninjas wearing those black clothes comes from old Japanese theater, where the people who moved set pieces on and off stage wore black suits and masks so they wouldn't be noticed by the audience.

[DemGeth]

Asians sure.

Asian weapons and culture no.

[Julia Luna]

People theorizing about Katanas, have you taken time to see the tests made? It actually show katanas damaging plate armor and cutting bullet (yeah it damaged the blade). SO, it probably falls under the "modern katana" category but it is katana and it shows that it A LOT stronger than any western blade. Just youtube it.

Not that I care, I love martial arts but I hate weapons I always go monk, even when there is no monk, when it is impossible to go unarmed I chose a class that can somehow kick (Rogue DA2 and Warrior DAI). So, I'm not into katana but katana is far from being what you have been describing here, at least modern katana. So unless you tell me the tests I have seen on youtube and tv channels are completely fake then you could say less lies. Nothing to complain about what have been said about "original" katana though.

 

BUT... the really interesting part of my post is: Does it even matter? It is a fantasy world. I think it is very funny when I see people arguing about durability of blades while there are people shooting fire from their hands and crafting armors out of dragon bones... seriously...? Do ANY weapon in DA world represent the real world version with its properties... COME ON! Give the universe a break.

[o Ventus]

People theorizing about Katanas, have you taken time to see the tests made? It actually show katanas damaging plate armor and cutting bullet (yeah it damaged the blade). SO, it probably falls under the "modern katana" category but it is katana and it shows that it A LOT stronger than any western blade. Just youtube it.

Not that I care, I love martial arts but I hate weapons I always go monk, even when there is no monk, when it is impossible to go unarmed I chose a class that can somehow kick (Rogue DA2 and Warrior DAI). So, I'm not into katana but katana is far from being what you have been describing here, at least modern katana. So unless you tell me the tests I have seen on youtube and tv channels are completely fake then you could say less lies. Nothing to complain about what have been said about "original" katana though.

 

BUT... the really interesting part of my post is: Does it even matter? It is a fantasy world. I think it is very funny when I see people arguing about durability of blades while there are people shooting fire from their hands and crafting armors out of dragon bones... seriously...? Do ANY weapon in DA world represent the real world version with its properties... COME ON! Give the universe a break.

A modern version of an ancient weapon made with modern techniques and modern technology is better than the older, worse versions of said weapon that were made when said techniques and technology didn't exist. Thanks for informing us.

 

A katana, at the time when they would have actually been used as weapons for something other than a Tarantino movie, wasn't better than European swords by any stretch. They were more or less on the same level, if not worse (because again, folded steel is hilariously bad for making weapons, which is why they stopped doing it after feudalism died down). They look imposing and elegant, but they kind of sucked. There's a reason that most historical samurai hardly bothered with katanas, instead preferring to be archers when they had to fight.

[Eggplant Hell Princess]

Japan is passé. What this game needs is fantasy pre-Columbian Mesoamerica. It would be absolutely sick if they made Tevinter slightly Aztec inspired, what with their rigid social structure and all that blood sacrifice.

 

Think about it Bioware.

[The DM of Thedas]

How can Thedas have Ninjas if they haven't even gotten Vikings yet, Or the quasi Egyptian Narvara. 

[aries1001]

If we are going to have asian fantasy cultures, instead of japan; I want India, Indonesia, and southeast asia(cambodia, vietnam, thailand and so forth) instead. Those regions of the world have rich history, rich cultures, rich mythologies that are ripe for story ideas and gaming ideas. But when ever someone talks about 'asia' in games it is always Japan and China. 

 

So no to japan and yes to other asian regions.

 

Yes, it is. And somehow people are mixing their Japan with their China. No, dressing gowns for women are not chinese, they're japanese. And hair styled up with pins are also japanese, not chinese. Agree, though, on thw whole India, Thailand, Vietnam idea. 

On topic: 
I seem to distinctly remember a village or town in Oblivion which a very distinct japanese art design....And I really thought that the Akaviir (sp?) in TES had been there the whole time...from the beginning.

More on topic:
In DA2, we got anime art design, but I think the OP means that he really wants more of Japan in the game. Then I just have to ask this question; the quanari what about them? Are their philosophy not a mix of buddhism, bushido and shintoism...

[Nathair Nimheil]

Trying to cut through a full plate of armor with any sword will likely end badly. That's why the mace was invented, to bash armored fools in the face and/or head area.

Pretty sure the invention of the mace predates plate armour by a bit.

[Nathair Nimheil]

What this game needs is fantasy pre-Columbian Mesoamerica. It would be absolutely sick if they made Tevinter slightly Aztec inspired, what with their rigid social structure and all that blood sacrifice.

Queue the "Macuahuitl would never cut plate armour" tangent in 3, 2,...

[ForTheLoveOfxD]

 

 

 

 

Eeer, the Altmer bear strong elements of what we would consider Japanese culture, altough not entirely. Also, almond-shaped eyes.... reminiscent of the shape of asian eyes. An Asian-esque culture needs to be carefully introduced,if at all, in DA. There are many cultural elements which are quite different from the Western perspective, so I don't know how well they would mesh in a DA world. Also, ninjas and samurais is a very superficial way of looking at Japan. Strict social codes, a focus on community and working as a group, community more important than the individual, stoicism, spiritism. The Qun is quite close to these actually.

 

Funny, this thread is about encompassing Asian cultures/history into the game, but only a few noticed that the game already have something similar. Asia is more than Japan, China, or Korea. There are so much more to Asia and those three well-known countries, and even those countries have more than just anime, manga, ninja, samurais, and monks. They have their people, their beliefs, and their history to take into account first rather than big anime eyes, cat ears/tails (funny the people who says they don't want Asia into the game because of those things show that their knowledge is very, very limited). Asia, which have 44 countries altogether, btw, not three or four, is pretty much about community, shared responsibilities, histories of sacrificing for their countries and their people; they are about family and devoted themselves to a greater good, working hard to better themselves not just for selfish reasons, but because it is the right thing to do. They put the needs of others, of the community before their needs; and at the end of the they, they enjoy their time with their loved ones. That is Asia. Those who disdained Asia based on fox ears watches too much anime themselves and have little to no interaction with the actual people, that is why judgement is passed so quickly without much thought behind it.

 

As far as Asia intergration, it's already happened. The Qunary held that. Despite not having been shown much or talk about much in the game, it was already established that they are fierce people with their deep-seated belief of where they stand and how they belong in the world. They fight not for themselves, but for their people; they see themelves as both individual and part of a whole; they are strong in their convictions, but still keep an open mind; they are versatile in skills, and used whatever necessary to do what they have to do; and most of all, they work together. So, yeah, Asian culture through the Qun, except that Asians don't have horns (something curiously explained that the horned looks is introduced apart from their Ancestors). Be afraid, those who fear Asia intergration, be very afraid, it's already happened >

 

Qunari invasion is inevitable XD
 

 

Asians sure.

Asian weapons and culture no.

 

I lol'ed hard at this. You have no idea what you're talking about, do you?

[Packmaster Jack]

Just.. no.

BioWare has a perfectly good setting not seen in a consoel generation (now two) if they want to go Asian, and if they want to do that, that's great.

 

I enjoy Japanese pop culture to a degree, but I see it being shoehorned into Thedas for it's own sake as I see anything else shoehorned in to pander.

 

Oh and do you realize how many players of VtM *hated* the Kue-jin as a thing?

[Rifneno]

People keep talking about what katanas could do if they were made of real metal. Everyone does remember that katanas are designed around compensating for the weakness of pig iron, right? If Japan had real iron, then their swords would've looked much different. Much more like the European ones (although I'm sure not exactly the same). You can't just say "well if we make it out of better metal..." Its very design is made around compensating for a weakness you're saying it shouldn't have. Why would they even make such a blade?

[Han Shot First]

Something based on the Mongols would be the way to go. Their arms & armor would also fit in with the quasi-medieval aesthetic.

[KaiserShep]

Something based on the Mongols would be the way to go. Their arms & armor would also fit in with the quasi-medieval aesthetic.

 

That sounds pretty interesting. I could definitely go for that.

[Spectre 117]

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't the Qun inspired by Japanese ancient culture?