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[astreqwerty]

I am a huge DA fan and rpg player in general but this is unnaceptable. This is not a hate thread. I try to be as objective as I can. I have a pc that can handle most contemporary games on high. I am playing dai on low. The reason being the huge load times, the texture popping and crashing constantly. Once I get over this sad reality I start the game and am faced with the biggest dissapointment so far. PC interface and control scheme. Who came up with that? The mouse is almost obsolete. The tactical camera is the biggest waste of resources ever made. Even da2 drag camera is better than this monstrosity with clunky controls. I cant control all the party simultaneously or command them to go to one place togetether and as a result ranged companions end up in the middle of the fight. Dont even get me start on ehat happens when I control Cassandra and try to melee target or use abilities. Wanna talk tactics? Ability limit? Bugged controls?I will probably get used to this control scheme but is such a shame. I never expected bioware to ignore the pc game this way. Every euro I spent on this game is very hard earned and no one in the reviews hinted these serious flaws. Thats my gripe. I have an almost unplayable game in my hands from bioware and it almost feels like me3 false advertisement fiasco only worse because I never cared for ME the way I do for da

[Kantr]

And how old and graphical intense are most contempary games? DA:I on higher graphics needs very good specs

[DarthGizka]

I'm lucky since my laptop runs DAI in medium quality with no performance problems (60 fps minimum frame rate); apart from that I agree with most of your critique. What irks me most is that almost all problems are due to incredibly sloppy work and arbitrary blinkered decisions, as if this were some upstart company with people who'd never even seen a game - or indeed any usable software - before, not the Bioware of old that made some of the most amazing games ever. However, these obstacles can be overcome. Don't let them keep you from enjoying this incredible game.

 

P.S.: I guess the reviewers noticed the problems as well but thought them easily fixable and in any case insubstantial; I stopped cursing so much once I was a few hours into the game and got the hang of things, and now I'm enjoying the hell out of it.

[Chari]

You are right. I know that it's how advertisement works: hide weaknesses, problems. But all the reassuring that DAI was made "for PC" were a frigging lie. Again, Bioware blantly lied to us (like with ME3 endings)
It just... is dishonourable. I guess no preorders for me anymore. Wait till proper reviews (which actually mention bad sides and don't do this blind "Everything is just perfect!" bullshit), till a patch and only then buy a game. I don't trust Bioware anymore. And that's sad because they seemed so friendly and genuine towards fans based ontheir tweets and blogs, comments

[Moghedia]

I think that, for the most part, the reviewers used consoles. I could be mistaken, though.

[Nathair Nimheil]

This is not a hate thread.

[Adynata]

Runs great on my 2 year old laptop with most settings on high. You might need to make sure you're not running a bunch of needless processes in the background. 

 

A PC control scheme like DA:O would've been better, but I've found that most games I purchase through Steam (I only use Origin if I have to) nowadays require a controller to play tolerably, so I wasn't surprised that DA:I required this, too. 

[archav3n]

I am a huge DA fan and rpg player in general but this is unnaceptable. This is not a hate thread. I try to be as objective as I can. I have a pc that can handle most contemporary games on high. I am playing dai on low. The reason being the huge load times, the texture popping and crashing constantly. Once I get over this sad reality I start the game and am faced with the biggest dissapointment so far. PC interface and control scheme. Who came up with that? The mouse is almost obsolete. The tactical camera is the biggest waste of resources ever made. Even da2 drag camera is better than this monstrosity with clunky controls. I cant control all the party simultaneously or command them to go to one place togetether and as a result ranged companions end up in the middle of the fight. Dont even get me start on ehat happens when I control Cassandra and try to melee target or use abilities. Wanna talk tactics? Ability limit? Bugged controls?I will probably get used to this control scheme but is such a shame. I never expected bioware to ignore the pc game this way. Every euro I spent on this game is very hard earned and no one in the reviews hinted these serious flaws. Thats my gripe. I have an almost unplayable game in my hands from bioware and it almost feels like me3 false advertisement fiasco only worse because I never cared for ME the way I do for da

 

Revenues speak for themselves. You and i both are in minority. Bioware and EA are profit oriented organization. If consoles making more revenues, it's really common sense they are making a game to appeal to mass audiences. Plus, Bioware is not the first in doing this anyway. If you really want a true PC game you have to play indie games like Divinity Original Sins.

[Nerevar-as]

And how old and graphical intense are most contempary games? DA:I on higher graphics needs very good specs

Not really

 

Revenues speak for themselves. You and i both are in minority. Bioware and EA are profit oriented organization. If consoles making more revenues, it's really common sense they are making a game to appeal to mass audiences. Plus, Bioware is not the first in doing this anyway. If you really want a true PC game you have to play indie games like Divinity Original Sins.

I´m tired of that excuse. You don´t screw roughly 1/3 of your player base, unless they are so stupid they miss a % number is a ratio and not an absolute number. But it´s clear they take us for granted and/or think we´ll shallow anything they´ll throw at us because they couldn´t bother to take the time to optimize it, and to add insult to injury no modding possible to fix it. I had less trouble adapting to RE4 than to this ****, and that´s something. That about controls, because I guess consoles have the "tactics" lack as much as us.

[Han Master]

Revenues speak for themselves. You and i both are in minority. Bioware and EA are profit oriented organization. If consoles making more revenues, it's really common sense they are making a game to appeal to mass audiences. Plus, Bioware is not the first in doing this anyway. If you really want a true PC game you have to play indie games like Divinity Original Sins.

But didn't PC sold the most and earns more profit looking at hard copy disk sales thread ?

[Messi Kossmann]

Yes, it is a hate thread.

 

I realy doubt that you can run BF4 on ultra, or even in high. The game use the same engine, but DAI demands more specs because its lauch one year later, and receive some upgrades, but, in general, both games demands the same specification.

You dont thin with a gtx 480, or a gtx 660, you can run everthing on ultra with de new generation of consoles!

[Lukas Trevelyan]

You are right. I know that it's how advertisement works: hide weaknesses, problems. But all the reassuring that DAI was made "for PC" were a frigging lie. Again, Bioware blantly lied to us (like with ME3 endings)
It just... is dishonourable. I guess no preorders for me anymore. Wait till proper reviews (which actually mention bad sides and don't do this blind "Everything is just perfect!" bullshit), till a patch and only then buy a game. I don't trust Bioware anymore. And that's sad because they seemed so friendly and genuine towards fans based ontheir tweets and blogs, comments

While everyone is within their rights to point out what they dislike about the game, your comment is just... bad.

Bioware didn't 'blatantly lie' to us at all. We've always known the system specs, the ability limit, the removal of auto attack outside tact cam. The only thing they didn't do right was introduce the - new- tactical camera more indepth. In addition the game is pretty damn optimized, laptops are running the game on medium to high settings without performance issues, any issues reported are also acknowledged and being worked on (like the 30 fps cap). As for the reviews I'm not sure what to say.. They said the game is good or great or best game ever or something along the lines (there were a couple of negatives too) but no review ever said things were perfect... A couple clearly disliked the combat, while others disliked the story, while others pointed out game breaking bugs, I'm not sure which reviews were you reading... 

 

To the OP, did you update your graphic drivers? Or at least did you check whether your system specs are good enough? 

[Han Master]

Those professional reviews also rated DA 2 highly in their reviews and we know how DA 2 really is.

[DragonAgeLegend]

The game looks stunning but runs pretty badly, they need some more optimizations tbh. Especially from NVIDIA cards. 

[Lukas Trevelyan]

The game looks stunning but runs pretty badly, they need some more optimizations tbh. Especially from NVIDIA cards. 

Optimizations are fine. Nvidia has some issues they're working on currently with Nvidia themselves. 

[Nathair Nimheil]

Those professional reviews also rated DA 2 highly in their reviews and we know how DA 2 really is.

Engaging? Entertaining? Enjoyable? Well worth the price of admission? Yep, I'd rate it highly too.

 

Plus, as an added bonus, they provided this forum so the Forum Warriors can level Outrage! up to max at no extra cost. What's not to like?

[azarhal]

The game looks stunning but runs pretty badly, they need some more optimizations tbh. Especially from NVIDIA cards. 

 

Can someone tell me what are the NVIDIA card issues, because I'm not seeing any with my GTX 770 and it has been bugging me?

 

I also run everything on high with some stuff on ultra fine on my system. I don't see where this game is supposedly badly optimized.

[Degs29]

Not sure what's in your computer OP, but I'd consider my own computer on the low side of high-end.  My initial load time is roughly 1 minute, then there's barely anything during gameplay, except for switching between major locations (~20 seconds).  That's pretty damn good considering the detail and size of the game.

 

I haven't experienced any graphical glitches so far that I can think of.

 

I'm playing with an Xbox 360 controller (which I always intended on doing), so I can't speak to the PC controls.  But I have no problem with the tactical cam other than that it locks on characters when you switch to them, which is apparently a bug they're fixing.

 

My point being that the in-game problems you mentioned are a matter of preference.  Even if professional reviewers had small qualms about the game's controls or mechanics, they focus on the big picture and major items, as they should.

[Serenade]

Can someone tell me what are the NVIDIA card issues, because I'm not seeing any with my GTX 770 and it has been bugging me?
 
I also run everything on high with some stuff on ultra fine on my system. I don't see where this game is supposedly badly optimized.

I believe texture flickering has been documented when SLI is active. Other than that I am not sure as the rest seems like an issue with the game and not something Nvidia is responsible for.

[CapivaRasgor]

Seriously, I’ve been browsing in here for a while... am I truly the only one who doesn’t have an issue with the controls at all? I haven’t seen this so called “clankiness” in the controls, actually, the controls for me felt just natural (I feel the control scheme to be pretty similar to that of a MMO), this could be the years of coping with poor keyboard and mouse optimization though. Having said that I have a love/hate relationship with the AI, sometimes it derps sometimes it saves my ass. There is also the crashing, but I’m almost sure that comes from the crappy DRM giving false positives and sc*wing people up.

[stevemill]

Engaging? Entertaining? Enjoyable? Well worth the price of admission? Yep, I'd rate it highly too.

 

Plus, as an added bonus, they provided this forum so the Forum Warriors can level Outrage! up to max at no extra cost. What's not to like?

Agreed.  I like games in a series to be different.  I loved DAO for being so epic but DA2 also hit the spot for me as a focused action RPG that didn't take up my whole life.  

 

DAI has grabbed me even more than the previous 2 because of the scope of the setting and the storytelling.  The game-play mechanics are different but that's fine (apart from the Tactical Cam issue). They're just different.  

[stevemill]

Seriously, I’ve been browsing in here for a while... am I truly the only one who doesn’t have an issue with the controls at all? I haven’t seen this so called “clankiness” in the controls, actually, the controls for me felt just natural (I feel the control scheme to be pretty similar to that of a MMO), this could be the years of coping with poor keyboard and mouse optimization though. Having said that I have a love/hate relationship with the AI, sometimes it derps sometimes it saves my ass. There is also the crashing, but I’m almost sure that comes from the crappy DRM giving false positives and sc*wing people up.

Nope. Once I mapped the W key to a mouse button the controls are fine for me as well.  Like you say - standard MMO controls that I have plenty of muscle memory to call on.  I didn't even notice the auto-attack or click to move 'problems' until visiting here. It would be nice to swap weapons in combat but it doesn't matter that much to me.

[pdusen]

Seriously, I’ve been browsing in here for a while... am I truly the only one who doesn’t have an issue with the controls at all? I haven’t seen this so called “clankiness” in the controls, actually, the controls for me felt just natural (I feel the control scheme to be pretty similar to that of a MMO), this could be the years of coping with poor keyboard and mouse optimization though. Having said that I have a love/hate relationship with the AI, sometimes it derps sometimes it saves my ass. There is also the crashing, but I’m almost sure that comes from the crappy DRM giving false positives and sc*wing people up.

 

No, for the most part, I agree. I'll admit to the tactical camera being clunky, but I didn't have any other issues with the UI or controls at all.

[Kleon]

[Neuromancer]

DA:I is a game made to be able to be played on nearly every range of computers, ultra is literally ULTRA here. We're not speaking of most games where DA:I 'medium' IS the same quality as 'ultra' on other games.

It is NOT the responsibility of the developers to ensure that you have strong enough hardware to play their game on 'ultra' when their ultra shits on most other games ultra.

DA:I is an artistic masterpiece in my opinion, and if you can play on Medium on everything you STILL get amazing views.

My suggestion? Lower the resolution, massssiveeeee increase in FPS that way and I can get high on all settings on my laptop easily with very stellar (~48) fps.