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[DaemionMoadrin]

Well, there's nothing wrong with it, but most of the HA's damage comes from combos, not the powers in and of themselves.  So you could, for example, put a Cyclonic on and gain survivability while not really gimping damage output.

 

True, or you could carry a heavier weapon and use Power Efficiency Modules. In the end everyone has their own style of playing.

 

I like power amps on my adepts because sometimes stuff dies too quickly for BEs or someone is using disruptor ammo or whatever. That being said, I mostly use power amps on kits with Dark Channel or Reave and then it depends on how I want to play. The HA is one of my favourite kits but in some games you can't get reliable BEs going because of circumstances and then you benefit from a Warp that really hurts. And a Shockwave that kills 3 mooks at once. ^^

[MaxCrushmore]

What's wrong with using a power amp on an adept?

 

If this is serious then i'll answer. Power amplifies do not affect combo detonations at all.

 

So you are adding to the base damage of powers only, so that warp that has a base of 200(?) now will do 300!!!! WOOOO .. more than 10 of those any you'll kill a Gold level mook (Sarcasm intended - before the math people show up to correct me)

 

HA benefits FAR FAR FAR more from a power efficiency module, which make them able to spam more frequent BE's, which are the basis of all powerful HA builds (Minus cheesing OFC)

 

It's like people adding power amplifiers to the Fury or Valkryie .. total waste of a consumable slot which could provide an actual boost

[MaxCrushmore]

True, or you could carry a heavier weapon and use Power Efficiency Modules. In the end everyone has their own style of playing.

 

I like power amps on my adepts because sometimes stuff dies too quickly for BEs or someone is using disruptor ammo or whatever. That being said, I mostly use power amps on kits with Dark Channel or Reave and then it depends on how I want to play. The HA is one of my favourite kits but in some games you can't get reliable BEs going because of circumstances and then you benefit from a Warp that really hurts. And a Shockwave that kills 3 mooks at once. ^^

 

You have to understand that the Power Amp does very little for powers with low base damage. That extra 50 damage on Reave (or whatever %50 of the base is) equates to almost nothing in actual gameplay. IMO the only Dark Channel kit that benefits from this is the huntress, with her absurd cloak damage boosts on top of all the other boosts. At higher difficulties where the enemies actually have high level HP/Barriers/Shields/Armor, the damage boost is negligible

[crashsuit]

Obligatory OT post:

I remember that That2Fase guy posted here for a bit. He seemed like a normal fellow, so even though I've never played with him, I'm going to second the guess that he's just messing with BSN people for fun.

Real reason for post:

I also rarely use power amps on kits that mostly rely on combos for damage, especially when those powers have low base damage. More and more often lately I've been using up most of my power amps on grenade kits. Power damage evos in passives + power damage weapon mod + PA4 + GC5 = some pretty good grenade damage. I'm no expert though, and for all I know I could be doing it all wrong.

[Fidite Nemini]

 

Not my fault if people decide to use cheap stuff for eDong purposes.

 

You mean completely different from the way people do not use such stuff to present a bigger eDong after they did well with a non-cheese build ("Look at me, I'm so good I don't need X on Y!") ?

 

That's a doublestandard, simple as that. This is a game and it's cooperative, regardless of what anyone makes it out to be. People can play whatever they want. The only killjoys are those who try to superimpose their own preferences and look down on those that don't conform with their opinions.

[J. Peterman]

You mean completely different from the way people do not use such stuff to present a bigger eDong after they did well with a non-cheese build ("Look at me, I'm so good I don't need X on Y!") ?

 

That's a doublestandard, simple as that. This is a game and it's cooperative, regardless of what anyone makes it out to be. People can play whatever they want. The only killjoys are those who try to superimpose their own preferences and look down on those that don't conform with their opinions.

 

I don't know what you're talking about.

[NuclearTech76]

If this is serious then i'll answer. Power amplifies do not affect combo detonations at all.

 

So you are adding to the base damage of powers only, so that warp that has a base of 200(?) now will do 300!!!! WOOOO .. more than 10 of those any you'll kill a Gold level mook (Sarcasm intended - before the math people show up to correct me)

 

HA benefits FAR FAR FAR more from a power efficiency module, which make them able to spam more frequent BE's, which are the basis of all powerful HA builds (Minus cheesing OFC)

 

It's like people adding power amplifiers to the Fury or Valkryie .. total waste of a consumable slot which could provide an actual boost

Most of your point is true and I think there is probably more justifiable use for that mod spot BUT all of the HA powers are highly spammable. Warp is single target so you're not getting that much more damage unless it's a little versus armor or barriers, shockwave can hit multiple enemies so perhaps that little extra damage becomes more substantial, Singularities AOE detonation is buffed a bit though and the damage on it is fairly decent and applies to multiple enemies. So probably there is better use there like power efficiency if I'm using something heavyish but generally I'm running a Talon or Acolyte so really efficiency isn't that much a gain, if on host I don't find shield gear to be worth it. So yeah I could see running the power amp there, I have much better use for it myself on other characters but I can't criticize.

[DaemionMoadrin]

This should be my HA build (can't check atm): http://kalence.drupa...!34L54384!EF9B3

 

Singularity: 197 dmg/s, 985 dmg on detonation vs. 247 dmg/s, 1235 dmg on detonation with power amp 4.

Warp: 492/1108/1477/246 dmg vs. 617/1389/1852/309 dmg with power amp 4.

Shockwave: 696/696/1044/696 dmg vs. 846/846/1269/846 with power amp 4.

 

I believe the increase in damage can make a difference, it just depends on the enemy/map and your team if this is the most efficient route to go or if another armor mod might not be better.

[MaxCrushmore]

^^^ You are underestimating Power Efficiency modules on the HA, even with a %200 loadout the difference is significant.

 

Without one, you cast Singularity, roll, roll, detonating power ... with the PE, you only need to do 1 roll, then you can cast your detonator.

 

 

Edit - that is in response to NT's post

[MaxCrushmore]

This should be my HA build (can't check atm): http://kalence.drupa...!34L54384!EF9B3

 

Singularity: 197 dmg/s, 985 dmg on detonation vs. 247 dmg/s, 1235 dmg on detonation with power amp 4.

Warp: 492/1108/1477/246 dmg vs. 617/1389/1852/309 dmg with power amp 4.

Shockwave: 696/696/1044/696 dmg vs. 846/846/1269/846 with power amp 4.

 

I believe the increase in damage can make a difference, it just depends on the enemy/map and your team if this is the most efficient route to go or if another armor mod might not be better.

 

%50 extra damage on powers with low base damage is still quite small .. even if your warp is going from 492 to 617, that's still a very small increase compared to detonating more biotic explosions faster .. the other damage #s you have listed for warp are irrelevant if the target is already dead from your detonated BE.

 

Personally, I don't cast Warp or Singularity then run another direction waiting for these powers to do their DoT .. too slow, I engage enemies and attack them until they are dead. Using a Power Amplifier on an HA (or many other adepts) is a waste as there is little gain to DPS.

 

The only adepts which really benefit from Power Amplifiers are the Phoenix, Drell and Slasher .. the rest benefit far more from other consumables

 

Edit - I just looked at your build .. suffice to say we have different playstyles when it comes to this character .. I would never sacrifice up to rank 5 in fitness for more shields and shield recharge to add under (or barely over) 100 damage to my Warp or Shockwave with passives 4 and 5. I would also take faster CDs on Singularity and Shockwave to trigger more BE's faster (which are far more powerful than any other attack you will perform with that kit)

[TheNightSlasher]

^ You forgot justicar and the collector.

[MaxCrushmore]

^ You forgot justicar and the collector.

 

Oh yeah .. Collector for the DS build for sure.

 

But the Justicar? Again just adding a small amount of DPS per second ..

[TheNightSlasher]

Oh yeah .. Collector for the DS build for sure.

But the Justicar? Again just adding a small amount of DPS per second ..

Reave has DoT, and from my experience power amp really boosts it. It makes a notable diff IMO.

[PresidentVorchaMasterBaits]

i always use a power amp on my justicar too. 

[smeckie]

I've never used a Power Amp on the Justicar but I've always kind of tanked her a bit, I should try the PA on her.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Edit - I just looked at your build .. suffice to say we have different playstyles when it comes to this character .. I would never sacrifice up to rank 5 in fitness for more shields and shield recharge to add under (or barely over) 100 damage to my Warp or Shockwave with passives 4 and 5. I would also take faster CDs on Singularity and Shockwave to trigger more BE's faster (which are far more powerful than any other attack you will perform with that kit)

 

I go for BEs whenever I can and I hope you don't think I'm bad at this game. ^^ My actual build is probably slightly different but yeah... I often play with no fitness kits.

I could say that 200 shields more don't make much of a difference now... ;D

[MaxCrushmore]

^^ They don't, but the %15 shield recharge rate does make a big difference

 

 

Edit: Here's my most common 2 build for the HA - since you shared yours (:

 

http://kalence.drupa...!43N5..71!GFD.G

 

http://kalence.drupa...!43N52384!GFD3C

 

 

Note on the build with the Talon I use the HVB and remove the extra weight from it Hax!

[Loufi]

Reave has DoT, and from my experience power amp really boosts it. It makes a notable diff IMO.

I agree with the utility of a power amp on the Justiciar. The difference isn't so significant on shields and health, but on barriers and armor, this is very noticeable, thanks to the multiplier against these defenses rank 6.

 

With a power amp 4, the way Reave melts Banshees' barriers is very impressive.

[DaemionMoadrin]

^^ They don't, but the %15 shield recharge rate does make a big difference

 

 

Edit: Here's my most common 2 build for the HA - since you shared yours (:

 

http://kalence.drupa...!43N5..71!GFD.G

 

http://kalence.drupa...!43N52384!GFD3C

 

 

Note on the build with the Talon I use the HVB and remove the extra weight from it Hax!

 

You play Gold/Plat with those?

[MaxCrushmore]

You play Gold/Plat with those?

 

Yes

 

if you were to play Silver with those you could accumulate several BE killstreaks

 

 

Edit: I admit, if you end up playing Platinum Geth on Rio or Condor, you will probably get dropped a lot with those builds. And if you aren't on top of your game any faction can be a problem on Platinum .. Gold is almost always easy with those builds though

[DaemionMoadrin]

I would never get the idea to skip Alliance Training on my HAs... we really do have a very different playing style.

[cato potato]

'Powers cannot be used during cooldown'

 

'Press ˅ to use a medi-gel pack to revive yourself'

 

Thank god I watched this video otherwise I would never have found out this useful stuff.

[hong]

... why does he have your phone number?

[Red Panda]

... why does he have your phone number?

Hawt.

[Pint]

I remember him popping into fatherofpearl's twitch a few times while he streamed, spouting nonsense and bragging about how drunk he was getting off "mountain dew and steel reserve". Cannot take him seriously after that.