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[Feresta]

Only exceptional people are offered the position. Loghain is valuable resource for Wardens, from what I have read on boards he would not be first so called 'criminal' person to be recruited.



And those seeing this plot hole...are you looking for explanation or for plot holes?

[krylo]

Reaverwind wrote...

Solica wrote...

IConclusion: It's a plot hole. But it's hardly a big one. I mean, most circumstances regarding Loghain and Anora are gigantic plot-holes. Just close by, we have the idiotic thing that we should join Loghain. I mean why the h'? There's an unrevealed reason. But if we can join Loghain, why not just anyone?
Now, there's a plot hole!

Exactly - if more wardens were needed - why is only Loghain looked upon as a likely candidate? I'd be looking for younger ones, myself!

Sacrificial lamb.

If he dies in the joining?  Who cares?  You were going to kill him anyway.

If he doesn't?  Then that's another person who can be murdered by absorbing the soul of the archdemon--and, further, one we don't care about.

Joining Loghain is your "I don't want anyone I care about to die" alternative to the Dark Ritual.

As for the plot hole, thing, as has been said--the idea that the joining is dangerous/may result in death isn't secret at all.

Duncan tells you it's dangerous before you go into the king's camp with no mention of you being quiet about it.  Daveth knows it's going to be dangerous.  Pretty much everyone does.

Further, three of you go up there for the joining, and one comes out.  It's pretty obvious the other two died somehow, obviously as part of the joining.  

The specifics are what no one should know.  Do they make new recruits all fight to the death and the survivor is the new grey warden?  Is it a mystical spell that has a chance of killing a grey warden in return for their immunity to the taint (close to the truth!)?  Do they strap them to wheels and have blindfolded peasants throw taint drenched daggers at the prospective warden while they are spun on the wheel?  Who knows!

They only know there's a chance that you don't walk away from it.

[sylvanaerie]

Well you see, Duncan didn't want any more "Jory's" so he took out a press release immediately following...



Seriously, I did find Wynne knowing about it well okay...iffy but heck she may have prepared the mix in the first place as she seemed to be the only mage present in Ostagar at the time who wasn't tied up in doing anything at the moment.



But Anora? I mean they make it a HUGE secret to the recruits who are actually about to undergo it, even not letting any live who wanna just bolt instead of drinking it. They won't even DISCUSS it with you prior. Of course thats probably just dramatic license so when you DO get the scene you are shocked and a little freaked out by that point.



I DID find it even more strange that in one conversation with Leliana (if you are romancing Alistair) one of the options to "glowing" is you tell her that was just the Joining. And she stutters "The Join...Oh you mean that Gray Warden ritual with the darkspawn blood"



I just think it at that point is just a huge plot hole. It was kept secret prior to your Joining so it emphasized the lengths Wardens go to to stop the Blight. After that it becomes less important to maintain the secrecy in the narrative.

[Reaverwind]

krylo wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

Solica wrote...

IConclusion: It's a plot hole. But it's hardly a big one. I mean, most circumstances regarding Loghain and Anora are gigantic plot-holes. Just close by, we have the idiotic thing that we should join Loghain. I mean why the h'? There's an unrevealed reason. But if we can join Loghain, why not just anyone?
Now, there's a plot hole!

Exactly - if more wardens were needed - why is only Loghain looked upon as a likely candidate? I'd be looking for younger ones, myself!

Sacrificial lamb.

If he dies in the joining?  Who cares?  You were going to kill him anyway.

If he doesn't?  Then that's another person who can be murdered by absorbing the soul of the archdemon--and, further, one we don't care about.

You missed my point. Let me reiterate: Why is only Loghain looked upon as a likely candidate?

Sresla wrote...

And here I always thought the bigger plot hole at the Landsmeet was Riordin saying that instead of the noble and valiant people they supposedly recruit, what they're actually looking for is anyone who's willing to do it, including murders and traitors. I went from feeling somewhat special for being picked out to realizing that if they'll take Loghain, they'll take pretty much anyone who they can trick into downing the goblet of manky blood. GOOD JOKE DUNCAN. YOU GOT ME.

Say, what? Did you not speak with Daveth at all? It should have been clear from that moment on that the Grey Wardens take anyone with ability, no matter their background. Daveth was actually a better candidate than Ser Jory, since he had nothing left to lose. I also gathered that of equal importance is that Grey Wardens look for those they think likely to survive the Joining.

[maxernst]

It may not be a plot hole. Anora knows only that the joining is often fatal, she doesn't know why, whereas Jory knows that it involves drinking darkspawn blood. That's technically blood magic, and if that got out, it might be a problem for the Wardens.

[Alandros]

Considering that Grey Wardens have been around for a long time, as secretive as they wanted to be there's no way to keep it completely secret. There are many valid explanations why she would know this (many of which are presented here).