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[Linkenski]

Corypheus sucked because he was only seen in his initial reveal and then the final battles. Most good villains are shown to be doing something significant or even interrupting the protagonist in the point of no return like Saren on Virmire in Mass Effect 1.

I think that's probably my main grippe with Inquisition. It lacks the dramatic tension throughout. Each main mission feels too separate and doesn't have enough buildup. Hawke comes in to have his own subplot, then leaves. Morrigan comes in far too late conveniently shaping the final bulk of the plot. Things don't happen without reason, but I constantly got the feeling that we weren't shown enough what happened beyond Skyhold.

Since Corypheus is all evil and stuff, why not give us that bad guy cliche of showing him doing evil stuff in one of those "meanwhile" kind of moments, you see in so many archery pic stories?

[Al Foley]

On the subject of 'how good of a bad guy is Corypheus' line of thought.  Most of the comments I am reading sound pretty par for the course for BioWare's 'big bads'. Bland, distant for most of the game, hardly relating with the main character except for a couple of cut scenes.  The Reapers, the Archdemon, Meredith probably.  The only two exceptions I can really think of is the Arishok, and Malak of KOTOR fame.  

 

But on the bright side this does provide for some really great secondary villains.  The Illusive Man, Saren, etc, etc.  So at this point...what do we expect? 

[Chaos17]

Irenicus was fleshed out and had motivation for doing the things he did, and he had a looot of dialogue.  Corypheus is rarely on screen, says a few sentences,  and fails so miserable in everything he attempts to do.  Irenicus felt like a threat from beginning to end.  Flemeth was more threatening than Corypheus.

 

The idea of Corypheus is better than the execution.  Also lame villain was a tool of the bigger villain yet to come in future DLC/expansions/sequels cliche.

Yup, good vilains should've more screen time.

Just look at the tv serie House of  the cards, the MCS are 99% evil and everyone loved them.

[Chiramu]

He was the worst/weakest villain in the series IMO. 

 

 

 

That is not Corypheus' fault. It is the fault of the writers.

[SwobyJ]

Corypheus is certainly an interesting villain on paper and has presence, but lacked characterization and depth. In DA2 he was bow down servants! DAI he's still the same.

With that said without the Anchor Cory is as good as dead (hopefully)

 

^^This!

 

Though I do hope for a DAI expansion into the Fade/Black City, where we see that the sacrifice (Hawke/Other) survived (well okay, only really Hawke, and maybe not in a way we like) and we deal with what remains of Corypheus, and so on.

 

Lots of themes and plotlines seem to head back into the Fade and Black City (but also Arlathan) so I expect them to be addressed either in an expansion or DA4.

[SwobyJ]

It seems in the epilogue scene several of the companions refer to him as being 'dead'...so he's dead.  More then likely.  

 

Even if broken apart and killed, if he was sent to the Fade, that may have some effects on it. We just don't know what. His physical form sure is dead, as he lacked an anchor.

[Amazonianshe]

Nope this is how the Inquisitor went inside the rift in the first place before the conclave explosion, Corypheus is more or less intact in the fade.

        Actually what I took from that scene of how the inquisitor got into the fade in the first place, was the inquisitor interrupted the ritual in the temple of sacred ashes in the real world, the divine knocked was that the orb away from Corypheus in his distraction, which the inquisitor picked up, which triggered the orb bestowing the anchor on the inquisitor and then opened the breach in an explosion killing Corypheus and all assembled at the Temple of sacred ashes. The rift appeared in between the inquisitor and Corypheus or maybe in Corypheus but I assumed that he took over the nearest grey warden that and collected the orb. somehow the inquisitor and the divine got pulled into the fade.  

        As such he would have been pulled apart as the fade rift opened in him and with no dragon, no body swap even if there was a grey warden left in the fade.

 

       Odd though that the explosion at the conclave was in fact caused by the Inquisitor picking up the Orb, so the inquisitor and the divine are in fact responsible for the explosion that killed all the people at the temple of sacred ashes. 

[EmissaryofLies]

He sent him to Belize; relax.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

What exactly was being done at the end.The inquisitor killed Corypheus right? Otherwise what did he/she do?

 

The original plan that Morrigan outlined was that they would kill corys dragon so that he temporarily couldn't switch bodies,then they would kill him.But at the end the inquisitor says "you wanted into the fade!?" and then makes Corypheus dissappear.

 

If the inquisitor sent Cory to the fade,isn't that really bad?

For Corypheus, yes it is very bad. Assuming he survived a Rift being opened from within him, he is now trapped in the Fade, always seeing the Black City which was his target but never able to reach it. And since he is ageless, he will be stuck in that situation for all eternity. 

[DaemionMoadrin]

Odd though that the explosion at the conclave was in fact caused by the Inquisitor picking up the Orb, so the inquisitor and the divine are in fact responsible for the explosion that killed all the people at the temple of sacred ashes. 

 

Partly responsible, perhaps.

 

My question is: Why the heck did Corypheus even come to the conclave? What made the Divine so important as sacrifice? She was just an old woman, with no magic power or anything. That's yet another plothole wide enough to fly a dragon through.

[abisha]

you know i was thinking the same thing first i saw this.

it's the whole thing Corypheus wanted entering the fade physical and their bomb the Inquisitor for filling his wish.

kind of weird ending if you ask me.

[Gileadan]

My question is: Why the heck did Corypheus even come to the conclave? What made the Divine so important as sacrifice? She was just an old woman, with no magic power or anything. That's yet another plothole wide enough to fly a dragon through.

Good question.

 

Either she's really just merely an old woman, which means he picked her out of spite or to send a message or in the weird assumption that people would lose their faith in the maker if he murdered the Divine. That's like assuming people would renounce Christianity if someone assassinated the Pope. A big risk for minimal return.

 

Or she really has some special power due to her status as the Divine. In which case he'd kinda prove that there's more to Andrastianism than just some hogwash shrouded in myth and tradition and at least partly contradict his "the throne was empty" claim.

 

One way or the other, it's an odd thing to do.

[The Oracle]

Partly responsible, perhaps.

 

My question is: Why the heck did Corypheus even come to the conclave? What made the Divine so important as sacrifice? She was just an old woman, with no magic power or anything. That's yet another plothole wide enough to fly a dragon through.

Yes, THIS!!! I've been wondering about this for ages. it's such a strange thing. Otherwise the "reason" Coryphifish got the orb (won't say because of end game spoliers but....you know) doesn't apply if all it takes is one persons sacrifice. However, I've now come to think that he went there because of the mass gathering of people. He just needed one person's death to open the Rift but he needed all the other deaths to expand it. So one sacrifice opens a rift and starts the initial explosion and then the subsequent deaths expand the rift to it's massive size and cause the thinning of the veil and all the scattered rifts in Thedas. 

 

I am not sure how he gets the power to open the Breach a second time though. Unless it's easy due to the first Breach making the veil thin and the second not needing as much power. 

 

Best guesses anyway but it is a bit of a plothole, no doubt.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Yes, THIS!!! I've been wondering about this for ages. it's such a strange thing. Otherwise the "reason" Coryphifish got the orb (won't say because of end game spoliers but....you know) doesn't apply if all it takes is one persons sacrifice. However, I've now come to think that he went there because of the mass gathering of people. He just needed one person's death to open the Rift but he needed all the other deaths to expand it. So one sacrifice opens a rift and starts the initial explosion and then the subsequent deaths expand the rift to it's massive size and cause the thinning of the veil and all the scattered rifts in Thedas. 

 

I am not sure how he gets the power to open the Breach a second time though. Unless it's easy due to the first Breach making the veil thin and the second not needing as much power. 

 

Best guesses anyway but it is a bit of a plothole, no doubt.

 

If it was just about sacrifices, then I am sure Solas could have done that himself. Although we do not know what Solas intented to do with the orb, I doubt he simply wanted to enter the Fade like Corypheus did.

There were easier targets for a sacrificial ritual, too. The Temple of Sacred Ashes at the time of the conclave was probably one of the best guarded places in southern Ferelden. And for what? For perhaps a hundred people? 200? Meh, any village could have served better for that.

[Kuvira]

If it was just about sacrifices, then I am sure Solas could have done that himself. Although we do not know what Solas intented to do with the orb, I doubt he simply wanted to enter the Fade like Corypheus did.

There were easier targets for a sacrificial ritual, too. The Temple of Sacred Ashes at the time of the conclave was probably one of the best guarded places in southern Ferelden. And for what? For perhaps a hundred people? 200? Meh, any village could have served better for that.

 

Yes, but it was the 200 strongest templars and mages on the continent (roughly since Fiona and Lord Seeker peaced out). I wouldn't be surprised if their power is what he was after, and Justinia was just a symbolic fire starter. Dude likes theatrics. 

 

Also, Justinia leaves a pretty strong mark on the fade, whether it's her or a spirit taking her likeness. I wouldn't be surprised if she had some sort of blessing or power just from her devoutness. Maybe sacrificing a highly spiritual Andrastian makes it easier for Cory to get back to the Black City. The first time through was pretty nasty for him, no?

[Ashagar]

I am sure being on a literal mountain of Lyrium didn't hurt either.

[DaemionMoadrin]

I am sure being on a literal mountain of Lyrium didn't hurt either.

 

See, -that- is a proper argument.

[LupoCarlos]

Corypheus needs a DLC, so superficial, and so much potential for a great story there.

[Sallou]

Good question.

 

Either she's really just merely an old woman, which means he picked her out of spite or to send a message or in the weird assumption that people would lose their faith in the maker if he murdered the Divine. That's like assuming people would renounce Christianity if someone assassinated the Pope. A big risk for minimal return.

 

Or she really has some special power due to her status as the Divine. In which case he'd kinda prove that there's more to Andrastianism than just some hogwash shrouded in myth and tradition and at least partly contradict his "the throne was empty" claim.

 

One way or the other, it's an odd thing to do.

This also has me curious about 'her' (?) presence in the Fade, talking to Inky during the fade quest. What was that about? I know the PC and Leliana discussed it but still.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

I think the Breach (Not the first rift that was attached to it) was opened by Cory, that's the conduit of raw fade power he needed to power the ritual. The Nightmare agreed to serve Cory, or ally with him IF Cory gave him the Divine. The only place more difficult for a darkspawn magister to reach the Divine than the Conclave would have been the Chantry in Orlais since getting the grey wardens that already served him into the Chantry would be harder than getting them into the conclave.

 

The first rift, the one at the breach, was opened as the anchor was bestowed then haphazardly sealed but not closed by either an incoherent Quizzy, or the spirit of the Divine, most likely an incoherent Quizzy since he/she had the anchor.

 

Until that rift was close properly, the breach had contact with Thedas and spawned random rifts, hence once it was closed, rifts stopped spawning and all you had to do was close the ones that were already open.

 

Now, after learning how to wield the anchor, Quizzy knows what he/she is doing with the thing, also knows a great deal about navigating the Fade and controlling the fade so, it's not beyond him.her to lock Cory in the fade, in a hole he will never escape, much as Dread Wolf locked away the elven gods (another thing Solas might have explained how to do to Quizzy.) At the very least Quizzy understrand the anchor well enough to put the part of Cory that cannot be killed in a fade hole Quizzy controls and, one Cory won't escape w/o the help of the anchor. Yes that means if anyone else ever gets an anchor, he could be freed yet again but, what are the odds of that happening?

 

(Irony intended, this is Thedas after all and, highly unlikely things have a habit of happening quite often.)

[PorcelynDoll]

It confused me too at first. I thought the magically appearing, convenient sword would show up and I would just behead him but apparently you melt him or something because his face turns to putty. I really hate how it's not completely clear what is going on.

[Shahadem]

Can't imagine Corypheus being the only magister from that time alive, how about the architect from awakening.

 

He's dead too.

 

Unlike comic book heroes, I never make the mistake of leaving my enemies alive.

[Virgulec]

 

I got the sense that the Inquisitor opened a Fade rift INSIDE him. So it probably tore him to shreds.

I got that feeling too, but it feels a bit like the Matrix when Neo did that to Smith. Look what came after that, not that I'm hoping to fight Cory again but you never know.

[errantknight]

I got the sense that the Inquisitor opened a Fade rift INSIDE him. So it probably tore him to shreds.

 

It's more accurate to say that the Inquisitor sent a fine paste that used to be Corypheus into the Fade.

These. Corypheus was dead, dead, dead.