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[WhatGoesHere]

i read the book because of this thread

 

celene wanted to lock up briala to protect her from the aftermath of haramshiral, which is honestly a pretty messed up way to deal with things, but her motivation wasn't to control briala. celene isn't emotionless about what she does in the book, and its obvious she's struggling against serious political concerns

 

it isn't in the real world that this is all taking place in. this is thedas, where many of your romanceable companions are hiding some dark secrets and young orlais nobles think it a fashionable sport to participate in the game as bards, where killing each other being an acceptable event. i mean, really. your advisors find it humorous to parade around the dead body of a duchess stuffed in a box to make a point. cullen and leliana's answer to pretty much everything is 'we should stab it until it's no longer a problem', and josephine isn't far behind. fenris is off dishing out vigilante justice and piling up bodies, sebastian invades kirkwall, etc. obviously this changes depending on what kind of world state you import, but you get the idea. and most importantly, you, as the inquisitor, are given a chance to let an empress die in order to install a ruler of your choice on the throne. briala, celene, and gaspard are mere pawns in the inquisitor's own game

 

pretty much nobody in the da universe, except maybe like, aveline, could hold it together in a healthy relationship in our world. personally, i don't see a problem with briala and celene being together. it's clear the two of them play each other, but in the book they acknowledge that they aren't together because of the power they offer each other

 

...after reading the book, i actually like the reconciliation ending better, and i think the writers did an excellent job given the medium, especially with celene willing to take the political hit to make briala a noble. by the time they reconcile, they know each others' secrets, and are still willing to forgive each other. all things considered (empress and an elf in orlais), that's pretty amazing

[rpgfan321]

Yeah, this quest has a lot more gravitas if you read TME, but it's cool if people didn't (you are still handling Orlais as the game demands). 

 

I don't know if they will get together after all that has happened in the book, but I hope they find some common ground. But still both of them have pretty big egos and a lot to lose if they make a mistake. 

 

I really liked that quest, and was really impressed how it went. It really shows how much Bioware is pushing the cinematic experience with Frostbite. 

[Lenimph]

Gaspard didn't make Celene kill Briala's parents then seduce her,or use her for years

No but Gaspard's wife is directly responsible for the deaths of both Celene's parents, her mom in a "hunting accident" and her father poison, the events that motivated her into the game and started this whole train. He also attempted to kill Celene immediately after she refused to marry him and to cover it up as a "hunting accident". (You know just like her mom) 

 

Just sayin'

 

 

[Dean_the_Young]

No but Gaspard's wife is directly responsible for the deaths of both Celene's parents, her mom in a "hunting accident" and her father poison, the events that motivated her into the game and started this whole train. He also attempted to kill Celene immediately after she refused to marry him and to cover it up as a "hunting accident". (You know just like her mom) 

 

Just sayin'

 

Saying... what, exactly?

 

That might explain Celene and Gaspard's feud, but Celene and Gaspard's feud doesn't necessitate, justify, or validate Celene's history with Briala.

[Lenimph]

Saying... what, exactly?

That might explain Celene and Gaspard's feud, but Celene and Gaspard's feud doesn't necessitate, justify, or validate Celene's history with Briala.

That saying Gaspard and his actions has had no influence on their relationship is rediculous. He has been the main source of distress in her life.

That's all.

[Dean_the_Young]

That saying Gaspard and his actions has had no influence on their relationship is rediculous. He has been the main source of distress in her life.

That's all.

 

Gaspard's wife was her source of distress when she was young and in the game. Gaspard's influence doesn't really come into play for over a decade (or two?) later, well after Celene's unhealthy relationship.

 

Unless we're going to insinuate that married women have no life or views of their own, that their independence is a mirage and that they simply convey the will of their men, conflating two different people decades apart is a tad misleading.

 

How the stress of the game with Gaspard's wife validates Celene's actions, I'm still not clear. Is this the 'she had a tough life' sympathy ploy, where a sympathetic backstory is intended to justify less than stellar life choices?

[Lenimph]

I seriously doubt he wasn't involved or didn't know about it.

Plus the motivation behind why she did it is unclear, but it was probably an attempt to remove possible competition from Gaspard's potential at the throne and knowing how passionate he is about that.

Again I doubt he wasnt involved

[Steelcan]

I seriously doubt he wasn't involved or didn't know about it.
Plus the motivation behind why she did it is unclear, but it was probably an attempt to remove possible competition from Gaspard's potential at the throne and knowing how passionate he is about that.
Again I doubt he wasnt involved

. So speculation beyond the information conveyed in the book


You are really stretching to make Gaspard the baddie in this. Furthermore stress does not excuse her behavior even if he was such a threat to her, which he wasn't until his rebellion, well after the abusive relationship started

[TK514]

"I am really stressed out about this guy I know.  His wife was a nutjob, so I am totally going to murder your parents and lie to you about it for 20 years while banging you every night."

 

Sure, I can see how that's a normal sequence of events.

[Lenimph]

Celene did tell Briala to run away. She wasn't expecting her to come back.

[OdanUrr]

Could anyone tell me where I can find the damn locket, please?

[Precursor Meta]

On my file, Briala was exiled... I still am trying to figure out exactly what was happening.

I hated the elegant a-holes of the palace. Everyone just seemed so fake and back-stabby

[Jin]

could someone please help me find Briala in the ballroom, I've spoken to the handmaidens, they've got Celine, and now i'm just wandering around trying to find Briala. someone said she was on one of the balcony's of off the ballroom, but so far no luck finding her. Any help would be appreciated.

 

if i cant find her, can i still get her and Celene back together?

[Xilizhra]

could someone please help me find Briala in the ballroom, I've spoken to the handmaidens, they've got Celine, and now i'm just wandering around trying to find Briala. someone said she was on one of the balcony's of off the ballroom, but so far no luck finding her. Any help would be appreciated.

 

if i cant find her, can i still get her and Celene back together?

Look at the map. She's marked by an X. She does glitch out of existence sometimes; basically just hope that doesn't happen.

[OdanUrr]

Look at the map. She's marked by an X. She does glitch out of existence sometimes; basically just hope that doesn't happen.

 

It happened to me at first. Just exit the ballroom and re-enter. She should appear.

 

Also, if anyone's interested on the locket location, you need to go to the servants' quarters. In your exploration of the area you will eventually come to a large room with a staircase that leads upstairs (when you pursuit the assassin) into a corridor. On that corridor, to your left there's a room and inside there's a locked door that leads to Celene's vault. Happy hunting!

[Jin]

It happened to me at first. Just exit the ballroom and re-enter. She should appear.

 

Also, if anyone's interested on the locket location, you need to go to the servants' quarters. In your exploration of the area you will eventually come to a large room with a staircase that leads upstairs (when you pursuit the assassin) into a corridor. On that corridor, to your left there's a room and inside there's a locked door that leads to Celene's vault. Happy hunting!

 

 

Look at the map. She's marked by an X. She does glitch out of existence sometimes; basically just hope that doesn't happen.

 

 

yea i found her, or to be clear, where she was meant to be, seams she ported out of existence, just reloaded the save and got her (after she phased through the walls) anyway danke, was driving me batty.

[Xilizhra]

yea i found her, or to be clear, where she was meant to be, seams she ported out of existence, just reloaded the save and got her (after she phased through the walls) anyway danke, was driving me batty.

My pleasure.

[HK-90210]

Doesn't he invade Ferelden? I remember reading something like that.

 

Unless that was a lie.

 

It's simply what people think he'll do. but the epilogue makes it clear that he settles disputes with Ferelden. Gaspard does NOT go to war with Ferelden.

 

That being said, if he rules alone, he soon forgets his gratitude for the Inquisition. Conflict MAY soon follow. Good times.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

That being said, if he rules alone, he soon forgets his gratitude for the Inquisition. Conflict MAY soon follow. Good times.

Wait, I've seen the ending which he rules alone and he doesn't forgets his gratitude to the Inquisition. I guess it has something to do with the court approval?

[OdanUrr]

So, found the locket, talked to Celene and Briala about it, yet in the end I saw no indication that their relationship was mended. Maybe it was because I forced all three to work together?

[Xilizhra]

So, found the locket, talked to Celene and Briala about it, yet in the end I saw no indication that their relationship was mended. Maybe it was because I forced all three to work together?

Precisely. You have to support Briala at all times, which entails getting Gaspard executed.

[HTTP 404]

"How dare you like that character. That character is evil! Totally judging you right now" - bsn

sigh, I love discussion and debate but when extreme descriptions with black and white views make it hard for me to participate.

I am finishing the book Masked Empire. I am not a big fan of Celene but I understand her motivations. Her relationship with briala is a toxic one not an abusive one. Both of them are using each other. It is sad that they are the closest thing to a friend for both of all their lives.

I applaud bioware for connecting the book into the game.

[OdanUrr]

Precisely. You have to support Briala at all times, which entails getting Gaspard executed.

 

Pity. It seems like a dumb move to my mind so Briala and Celene will have to reconcile off-screen.

[Xilizhra]

Pity. It seems like a dumb move to my mind so Briala and Celene will have to reconcile off-screen.

They won't reconcile. In fact, Orlais will be screwed over because all three of them will be constantly fighting.

[LobselVith8]

It does happen if you support Gaspard/Briala though its because Briala is blackmailing Gaspard into doing what she says. There are hints of a new civil war brewing however so Briala scheme seems likely to backfire in this case.

Celene + Briala makes Briala the first elven noble of Orlias. Reminds me of the city elves getting their own Bann at the end of Origins. Its an important step to improving elven relations in the empire but not destablingly rapid change in the Gaspard/Briala ending.

 

Well, the alliance between Briala and the elven Inquisitor is said to quell the the nobility from taking action over the improvements for the elves (likely due to intimidation over the Inquisition), so there's no indication it backfires in this scenario, and she brings about many reforms for the elves in Orlais. Briala also becomes a noble if you support her as the true ruler of Orlais, with Gaspard as little more than a figurehead.