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[OdanUrr]

They won't reconcile. In fact, Orlais will be screwed over because all three of them will be constantly fighting.

 

Really? Oh, well, it's not like I wasn't expecting it to happen at some point.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

Really? Oh, well, it's not like I wasn't expecting it to happen at some point.

If you force all three (blackmail them) to work together, it's best for the Inquisition but bad for Orlais in the long term. You didn't change anything, and there will be a war of intrigue instead. 

[OdanUrr]

If you force all three (blackmail them) to work together, it's best for the Inquisition but bad for Orlais in the long term. You didn't change anything, and there will be a war of intrigue instead. 

 

To be honest, I could easily come up with terrible outcomes for all of our choices.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

To be honest, I could easily come up with terrible outcomes for all of our choices.

The most terrible outcomes I can think of is banish the Grey Wardens from southern Thedas, and choose Vivienne as the Divine. 

[OdanUrr]

The most terrible outcomes I can think of is banish the Grey Wardens from southern Thedas, and choose Vivienne as the Divine. 

 

I meant about who we choose at the end of the Halamshiral chapter. Fortunately, I don't have to worry about Vivienne since Cassandra and Leliana are on the short list.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

I meant about who we choose at the end of the Halamshiral chapter. Fortunately, I don't have to worry about Vivienne since Cassandra and Leliana are on the short list.

I thought you meant as a whole game...nevermind. I'm getting off the track here, well I think it's debatable on what is the best and worse outcomes since it's boiled down to people preference (Celene, Gaspard or Briala), and whether you care about the Elves or not. I don't believe that blackmailing all three to work together is the best outcome. While the worst outcomes is one rule alone, and their rivals is still alive, and the political figure you choose to side with forgot their gratitude to the Inquisition.

[Dabrikishaw]

After thinking about it some more, I'm okay with 2 depraved individuals like Celene and Briala having their toxic relationship back.

[Ailith Tycane]

So, found the locket, talked to Celene and Briala about it, yet in the end I saw no indication that their relationship was mended. Maybe it was because I forced all three to work together?

 

Here's a video. Essentially you need to accuse Gaspard while giving Briala credit and he has to die for them to be reconciled.

 

[Dark Helmet]

The most terrible outcomes I can think of is banish the Grey Wardens from southern Thedas, and choose Vivienne as the Divine. 

 

How dare you speak such heresy against the rightful Divine Victoria!

[The Baconer]

I thought you meant as a whole game...nevermind. I'm getting off the track here, well I think it's debatable on what is the best and worse outcomes since it's boiled down to people preference (Celene, Gaspard or Briala), and whether you care about the Elves or not. I don't believe that blackmailing all three to work together is the best outcome. While the worst outcomes is one rule

alone, and their rivals is still alive, and the political figure you choose to side with forgot their gratitude to the Inquisition.

 

From what I've heard, forcing all three of them to work together actually leaves the court in a power struggle. If one is interested in leaving Orlais in the most orderly state (which, coincidentally, I am not) then the best choices would be Gaspard ruling and Briala executed (while preventing a war with Ferelden at the operation table), or reuniting Celene and Briala with Gaspard being executed.

[ButterRum]

The most terrible outcomes I can think of is banish the Grey Wardens from southern Thedas, and choose Vivienne as the Divine. 

 

LMAOO!! You can choose Vivienne as the new Divine? 

 

HAHAHAHHAA.

 

Totally gonna do that.

[ButterRum]

Here's a video. Essentially you need to accuse Gaspard while giving Briala credit and he has to die for them to be reconciled.

 

 

WTF is up with Celene's half-assed Skrillex haircut?? Could they not have given her hair worthy for a queen??!

 

Wait...nevermind. That is Celene's cousin, who looks like her.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

LMAOO!! You can choose Vivienne as the new Divine? 

 

HAHAHAHHAA.

 

Totally gonna do that.

Yep. I'm surprised she's even a candidate for the new Divine. 

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

How dare you speak such heresy against the rightful Divine Victoria!

Blasphemy! You dare support that foul witch as the new Divine. I shall have your head, heretic!!!

 

From what I've heard, forcing all three of them to work together actually leaves the court in a power struggle. If one is interested in leaving Orlais in the most orderly state (which, coincidentally, I am not) then the best choices would be Gaspard ruling and Briala executed (while preventing a war with Ferelden at the operation table), or reuniting Celene and Briala with Gaspard being executed.

Yeah, apparently forcing everyone to work together may not always provide the best outcome. I don't see why it wouldn't leave a power struggle in Orlais, and the Inquisitor blackmailing all three to work together is nothing more than a temporary cease-fire. I rather like how some of the options most people think it's the best or the right decision came back and bite you in the ass. In case you don't want to leave Orlais in orderly state...then forcing all three to work together is the perfect option for you then.

 

Sorry about the double post btw.

[ButterRum]

Yep. I'm surprised she's even a candidate for the new Divine. 

 

She's not a bad character. JustiniaV has a shadier past than Vivienne does. She's just a ****** and isn't directly nice to people at first. But she has a moral uprightness to her and has the credentials as a grand enchanter and believes mages powers should be kept in check, so she isn't a bad choice, however, she's a MAGE, so from the outside, that would freak a lot of people out.

 

I would elect her as Divine because she's a ****** just to troll everyone who hates her because she's a ******.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

She's not a bad character. She's just a ****** and isn't directly nice to people at first. But she has a moral uprightness to her and has the credentials as a grand enchanter and believes mages powers should be kept in check, so she isn't a bad choice, however, she's a MAGE, so from the outside, that would freak a lot of people out.

I'm not judging her character, just saying that she wasn't a good candidate to be the new Divine, and the fact that she's mage alone is unacceptable to many people. Viv as the Divine mean things will stay the same, no change nor reform. If you wanted someone who wants to reform, and not change everything entirely choose Cass for the new Divine. 

[ButterRum]

I'm not judging her character, just saying that she wasn't a good candidate to be the new Divine, and the fact that she's mage alone is unacceptable to many people. Viv as the Divine mean things will stay the same, no change nor reform. If you wanted someone who wants to reform, and not change everything entirely choose Cass for the new Divine. 

 

I feel like choosing Cassandra would just ignite more mage vs templar bullcrap. She doesn't like mages. Vivienne would make the mages use the circles again...so that would also instigate things. But I haven't finished the game yet, so...

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

I feel like choosing Cassandra would just ignite more mage vs templar bullcrap. She doesn't like mages. But I haven't finished the game yet, so...

It will ignite more conflict if only you choose to side (save) the Rebel Mages because Fiona will refuse Cass's offer to rejoin the new reformed Circle, but it's a conflict between the Circle and Independence College (Fiona). She doesn't hate mages either, and the fact that she reforming the Circle, the Templar Order and rededicate the Seekers's purpose to protecting the innocent alone say that she doesn't look forward to commit mass genocide on mages. 

[Dean_the_Young]

It's simply what people think he'll do. but the epilogue makes it clear that he settles disputes with Ferelden. Gaspard does NOT go to war with Ferelden.

 

That being said, if he rules alone, he soon forgets his gratitude for the Inquisition. Conflict MAY soon follow. Good times.

 

I think there's a separate variable for that- probably a war mission or some such. I've heard that Celene has the same potential state of no gratitude, but she had it in my game, while I've also read that Gaspard's epilogue can have him maintain close ties with the Inquisition.

[Dean_the_Young]

If you force all three (blackmail them) to work together, it's best for the Inquisition but bad for Orlais in the long term. You didn't change anything, and there will be a war of intrigue instead. 

 

Just a few weeks ago I seem to remember a lot of people proclaiming how much they wished to tear down Orlais as much as possible. That it was an unredeemable bastion of evil that could never be reform, and so should be destroyed. Seems like if they were sincerely convinced of that, then this would still be the best option available to them.

[Wynne]

 

It was built on lies and murder. 

 

And I would absolutely describe it as abusive. Not physically abusive, but emotionally abusive. Celene thought that their relationship could continue as normal with Briala locked in a tower as a prisoner for the rest of her life. 

 

Seriously. That relationship is sick and broken. 

 

As it was, yes, it was sick and broken. But life is sick and broken. A culture where a young woman has to commit murder just to survive because her relative murdered her mother is sick and broken. As has been mentioned, both Celene and Briala would likely be dead if Celene had been too weak to allow horrible things to happen.

 

The end of Masked Empire was the lancing of a boil. The thing is, once it's been lanced, the skin can heal. Relationships can get therapy--they don't always inevitably end in despair.

 

Briala was never a helpless victim, or at least no more so than Celene was a victim of circumstance. She was just a little too wilfully blind about her lover, and Celene was too frightened to live honestly even if it might get her killed. With Briala being given respect and control as the formerly oppressed member of the relationship, with the support of the Inquisition to unite Orlais against a common enemy, they can achieve as healthy a state of being as any noble in Orlais could hope for. 

 

Briala should get to tie Celene to that big old bed a lot. But they can heal. 

[Xilizhra]

Just a few weeks ago I seem to remember a lot of people proclaiming how much they wished to tear down Orlais as much as possible. That it was an unredeemable bastion of evil that could never be reform, and so should be destroyed. Seems like if they were sincerely convinced of that, then this would still be the best option available to them.

Lesbians trump destruction.

[Dean_the_Young]

Lesbians trump destruction.

 

I could make an obscene joke at your expense, but I'll refrain.

[Xilizhra]

There is an additional reason, and that's that I don't really trust the Inquisition in future games to be given enough freedom by Bioware to do what I'd continue to tell it to. So, with the Inquisition likely being removed from my hands at the end of this game, I should do all I can to the world to let it fix and maintain itself, and Briala is important for that. And Celene seems to help.

[ButterRum]

Okay, so that video that shows Celene, Gaspard, and Briala ... 

 

Celene looks older, and Gaspard and Briala look younger. Shouldn't Gaspard be older than Celene if he had a wife who killed one of her family members? Or did he get married at like 18 when Celene was like 15 or 16?

 

Also,the book made it seem Celene and Briala were the same ages, yet Celene still looks way older. I guess being empress puts wrinkles on her face.