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[Barquiel]

Gaspard's Orlais isn't any more stable than Celene/Briala or Celene solo (Gaspard executed).

[Milan92]

I am curious about one thing. Most people who put Gaspard on the throne dislike both Celene and Briala. So why would you care wether Briala and Celene have a healthy relationship again?

 

Orlais is stable. Which is all that matters right? So why the concern for both Briala and Celene when you dislike them?

 

Or did people really just need another reason to put Gaspard on the throne? 

 

Know that this is just me beign genuinly curious. I'm not judging anyone for their reasons.

[Sugram84]

some like Tyrants like Gaspard, he solves problems with war & never with politics (he said it himself), that makes him a bad choice

[Steelcan]

some like Tyrants like Gaspard, he solves problems with war & never with politics (he said it himself), that makes him a bad choice

what about when he reaches an accord with Ferelden through diplomacy?

[Steelcan]

Gaspard's Orlais isn't any more stable than Celene/Briala or Celene solo (Gaspard executed).

as I recall her and Briala/ alone does have some bits about how the nobility is terrified of her, or only accepts her because of the Inquisition

 

Gaspard's slide flat out says his reign restores stability and security

[Lulupab]

as I recall her and Briala/ alone does have some bits about how the nobility is terrified of her, or only accepts her because of the Inquisition

 

Gaspard's slide flat out says his reign restores stability and security

 

Which? Celene reconciling with Briala and executing Gaspard has the best ending for Orlais (or at least equal to solo Gaspard). Celene solo or exiling Gaspard don't have lasting peace epilogues.

[Steelcan]

Which? Celene reconciling with Briala and executing Gaspard has the best ending for Orlais (or at least equal to solo Gaspard). Celene solo or exiling Gaspard don't have lasting peace epilogues.

I was thinking mostly of Celene solo, she can be either ungrateful and abandon the Inquisition, or she uses them to help keep the nobles in line through fear

[The Baconer]

I was thinking mostly of Celene solo, she can be either ungrateful and abandon the Inquisition, or she uses them to help keep the nobles in line through fear

 

Same thing is said on Gaspard's slide.

[Lady Artifice]

Blackmailing them all into working together was extremely satisfying.

[StrangeStrategy]

what about when he reaches an accord with Ferelden through diplomacy?

 

That leaves the problem of "Well I was going to unite Orlais with war, but I guess not anymore so.... ****. I have to play games at court."

Honestly, Orlais was doing so good before Gaspard started throwing fits. Elven lives were improving, culture and education became more important than ever. What fool could possibly say "Lets go to war and get people killed, so we can come together over death instead of culture" is a better way to move forward?

[thesuperdarkone2]

We can all agree that Celene and Briala reconciled and a brokered peace with Ferelden is the best outcome for Orlais.

Fixed for the truth. How funny that Gaspard supporters have to rely on metagaming to justify their choice.

[thesuperdarkone2]

That leaves the problem of "Well I was going to unite Orlais with war, but I guess not anymore so.... ****. I have to play games at court."

Honestly, Orlais was doing so good before Gaspard started throwing fits. Elven lives were improving, culture and education became more important than ever. What fool could possibly say "Lets go to war and get people killed, so we can come together over death instead of culture" is a better way to move forward?

Yeah, seems kind of a cop out to have the guy whose stated goals are expanding Orlais and starting a war with Ferelden and who is said to be supported because he won't have peace with Ferelden suddenly go "k, no more invasion even through that was my main goal." Honestly, I think the peace option shouldn't even exist as it serves as a simple cop out to not make Gaspard the worst choice. That, plus the fact that he says elves have no place in politics even to an elven Inquisitor's face show he is just an a-hole and one I'm glad to have execute.

[LobselVith8]

Yeah, seems kind of a cop out to have the guy whose stated goals are expanding Orlais and starting a war with Ferelden and who is said to be supported because he won't have peace with Ferelden suddenly go "k, no more invasion even through that was my main goal." Honestly, I think the peace option shouldn't even exist as it serves as a simple cop out to not make Gaspard the worst choice. That, plus the fact that he says elves have no place in politics even to an elven Inquisitor's face show he is just an a-hole and one I'm glad to have execute.

 

What does the Epilogue say, exactly, if peace isn't brokered between Orlais and Ferelden?

[thesuperdarkone2]

What does the Epilogue say, exactly, if peace isn't brokered between Orlais and Ferelden?

I'm wondering too since everyone who has sided with Gaspard has taken the peace option and there are no videos of youtube since nobody has let Gaspard rule alone. It's always some variation of Celene ruling alone (mostly Celene with Gaspard exiled) or Briala rules.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Fixed.

 

I hope you like seeing Elven settlements razed for petty political power plays.

And I'm totally sure a guy who murdered an elf to become a chevalier and says elves have no place in politics will totally care about elves  /s 

 

Don't forget, Celene didn't intend to raze the alienage, she first tried to kill the noble responsible but had to raze it because of Gaspard. Do you really think Gaspard would have ever had second thoughts about killing elves if he were in the same situation? You're deluding yourself if you think otherwise. Don't forget that if Celene and Briala are reconciled and thus has the Inquisition's support, she has no problem making Briala a noble which is a very big deal if DAO is any indication. She at least tried to give elves more rights gradually which is more than Gaspard is likely to do.

 

Celene has brought culture with the University which in-game is shown to very good. What does Gaspard offer except for war? His reaction to nobles who oppose him is to put them down through violence so he isn't a peacemaker. 

 

I consider Celene to be the lesser evil. My characters will never put a guy who outright says he plans to start wars if he's in charge to ever get power while Celene has rules for 20 years without starting a war. My characters don't want to stop Corypheus just to make the world worse by putting Gaspard in charge. 

[LobselVith8]

Fixed.

 

I hope you like seeing Elven settlements razed for petty political power plays.

 

Elven settlements aren't mentioned being razed in the Epilogue if Briala is in power over Orlais; it's mentioned that her alliance with an elven Inquisitor intimidates the nobles who dislike the progress being made for the elves who are gaining rights under her rule.

[Steelcan]

Same thing is said on Gaspard's slide.

However he is also explicitly mentioned as making Orlais stable and secure, Celene is to my knowledge, not

[Steelcan]

That leaves the problem of "Well I was going to unite Orlais with war, but I guess not anymore so.... ****. I have to play games at court."

Honestly, Orlais was doing so good before Gaspard started throwing fits. Elven lives were improving, culture and education became more important than ever. What fool could possibly say "Lets go to war and get people killed, so we can come together over death instead of culture" is a better way to move forward?

It really wasn't though

 

A string of military defeats, its influence waning, that Tevinter nationals were able to start operating openly in other nations speaks to their weakness,  Powerless to stop the Mage/Templar war.

 

Orlais may have been improving according to your view, but the Empire's strength was slipping, Gaspard and other recognized this and wanted to halt it

[Steelcan]

Fixed for the truth. How funny that Gaspard supporters have to rely on metagaming to justify their choice.

How great that we don't, Leliana and Cullen both say he'd make a good ruler and bring stability, he is welcoming of the Inquisition from the start, and makes his ability known easily

[The Baconer]

However he is also explicitly mentioned as making Orlais stable and secure, Celene is to my knowledge, not

 

If Gaspard and Briala are both dead, this is indeed what happens.

 

It really wasn't though

 

A string of military defeats, its influence waning,

 

Neither of these things occurred under Celene's reign. In fact, Orlais was recovering from the last occupation boondoggle.

 

 

Powerless to stop the Mage/Templar war.

 

Oh, yes. Gaspard had such a great plan for that.

[Steelcan]

If Gaspard and Briala are both dead, this is indeed what happens.

 

 

Neither of these things occurred under Celene's reign. In fact, Orlais was recovering from the last occupation boondoggle.

 

 

 

Oh, yes. Gaspard had such a great plan for that.

Is it explicitly stated?

 

 

Orlais is undeniably weaker under her reign than under her predecessors.  Its her prerogative to pursue a different approach to foreign policy, but she rules a weaker Orlais than it was before she took the throne.  Using diplomacy and intrigue is all well and good, but the military is languishing under her.

 

I'm not saying he would have been the best suited to handle it, I'm saying that Orlais isn't the power it once it was

[The Baconer]

Is it explicitly stated?

 

Order is restored, no one is left to challenge Celene.

 

 

Orlais is undeniably weaker under her reign than under her predecessors.  Its her prerogative to pursue a different approach to foreign policy, but she rules a weaker Orlais than it was before she took the throne.  Using diplomacy and intrigue is all well and good, but the military is languishing under her.

 

Incorrect. Like, really, really incorrect.

 

 

I'm not saying he would have been the best suited to handle it, I'm saying that Orlais isn't the power it once it was

 

I can respect someone for acknowledging a problem, but not when their solution will inevitably make it worse.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Is it explicitly stated?

 

 

Orlais is undeniably weaker under her reign than under her predecessors.  Its her prerogative to pursue a different approach to foreign policy, but she rules a weaker Orlais than it was before she took the throne.  Using diplomacy and intrigue is all well and good, but the military is languishing under her.

 

I'm not saying he would have been the best suited to handle it, I'm saying that Orlais isn't the power it once it was

Yes, it is stated. Did you even look at the ending? Here's the Celene ending where Briala and Gaspard are executed:

 

Also, the Celene/Briala reconciled ending mentions that elves gain more rights than ever before and Orlais enters a golden age. Funny how Gaspard supporters never mention this.