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[Sugram84]

I was thinking mostly of Celene solo, she can be either ungrateful and abandon the Inquisition, or she uses them to help keep the nobles in line through fear

Celene ungrateful? she cant afford it, so far awry ending where she is on throne alone or 3 of them worked together, she is stuck with Inquisition cause she would lose her throne if she cuts the alliance with Inquisition, & from videos i so Gaspard is the same, both suck up to Inquisition, Celene & Briala mite be stronger then other combinations, only thing that fixes things is if Elves lives become better, if Elven Problem in Orlay is fixed, & it can only happen if they end up together again, at least as allies if nothing more, but both of them are needed

[Sugram84]

Blackmailing them all into working together was extremely satisfying.

o yes it was, but sadly their alliance wont last long, cause Gaspard is an ass

[Sugram84]

Fixed for the truth. How funny that Gaspard supporters have to rely on metagaming to justify their choice.

pointless to argue with Fans, or is Fanatics the correct word for that  , cause they never listen, trying to find excuses for him

[Sugram84]

And I'm totally sure a guy who murdered an elf to become a chevalier and says elves have no place in politics will totally care about elves  /s 

 

Don't forget, Celene didn't intend to raze the alienage, she first tried to kill the noble responsible but had to raze it because of Gaspard. Do you really think Gaspard would have ever had second thoughts about killing elves if he were in the same situation? You're deluding yourself if you think otherwise. Don't forget that if Celene and Briala are reconciled and thus has the Inquisition's support, she has no problem making Briala a noble which is a very big deal if DAO is any indication. She at least tried to give elves more rights gradually which is more than Gaspard is likely to do.

 

Celene has brought culture with the University which in-game is shown to very good. What does Gaspard offer except for war? His reaction to nobles who oppose him is to put them down through violence so he isn't a peacemaker. 

 

I consider Celene to be the lesser evil. My characters will never put a guy who outright says he plans to start wars if he's in charge to ever get power while Celene has rules for 20 years without starting a war. My characters don't want to stop Corypheus just to make the world worse by putting Gaspard in charge. 

u have a lot of pretty good point there, & i agree

[Sugram84]

Elven settlements aren't mentioned being razed in the Epilogue if Briala is in power over Orlais; it's mentioned that her alliance with an elven Inquisitor intimidates the nobles who dislike the progress being made for the elves who are gaining rights under her rule.

he talks about the past not the future

[Sugram84]

Orlais' problems were caused by Celene's predecessor who nearly ruined the country. But it was recovering once she took the throne. Here's the codex entry...

Regardless of how she came to the throne, Celene quickly proved that it was exactly where she belonged. The mad Florian's rule had brought the empire to the brink of collapse. Celene was its savior. Orlais has never been quite so peaceful or prosperous as it is now. The empress highly values education and learning and is an ardent patron of the arts. The aristocracy—in order to impress her—has followed suit, leading to a rebirth of Orlesian culture.

& Gaspard made it worse, by Elven settlements being razed

[Sugram84]

Ok I saw some argument a couple pages back about Briala and Celene....

Abusive relationship dynamics... Look at it this way.... A boss who gets into a relationship with their secretary would be an HR nightmare and illegal. The secretary, regardless if they love their boss or not, could file a suit with the EEO (equal employment opportunity in the US) and win the case and lots of money. It's unprofessional and illegal for a boss to get into a relationship with a subordinate. The power dynamic is also uneven and creepy because the boss could easily use the relationship against their subordinate. For example, they could threaten to fire their secretary or end the relationship and the job. Plenty of cases like this go on actually.... so I'm just demonstrating why a boss relationship with a subordinate is socially unacceptable.

In Celene and Briala's case, well, it's way worse because Celene is Briala's ELVEN handmaiden. Elves and humans don't have good relationships, and Briala was pretty much forced into the life of a handmaiden because her parents were cornered into it. Regardless of Celene's progressive views of the elves, she abused her power by molding Briala into her tool. They grew up together and don't have much age difference, but Celene's power over Briala was monumental. Briala doesn't have any civil laws protecting her rights. She's an elf, and they get treated like dirt, and even Celene didn't fully see Briala as a person when Briala herself believed she witnessed Celene risking her life for Michel but not for her.

Whether you ship the two or not, there is no denying that the power dynamic is creepy between the two and that Celene was abusing her power over Briala.....and the book made it pretty clear that Celene took Briala for granted at times and that Briala was sick of it.

I thought the two were a very interesting couple and I "ship" them though I recognize that their relationship is very problematic.

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So I reunited Briala and Celene in the game, but I didn't get the epilogue in which they enter Orlais into a golden age. My epilogue stated their relationship was rocky and that they rely heavily on the Inquisition????

Do I need to make Leliana the Divine so that Celene and Briala enter Orlais into a golden age? I got Cassandra as Divine even though I didn't pick her.

ur avoiding the subject like a politician by trying to Trash their relationship LOL

 

that doesn't make Gapard the right choice!!!

 

& second i don't see anything wrong with Boss & secretary romance, meany started relationship that way & are Married new & its not illegal, its just some will say its unethical, if 2 people love each other it docent matter where u work & if one is secretary & the other one is Boss

[Shadow Fox]

You say that like it's a bad thing. Considering we know that Chevaliers have to kill an elf to be inducted and are allowed to rape anyone they want, I'd say they are a-holes. Also, considering that the last time Orlais showed its supremacy by occupying Ferelden had the orlesians do things like rape and kill a woman right in front of her husband and child. If you honestly believe allowing this stuff is good, you need help.

Ferelden itself aint much better.

 

Someone has to keep Tevinter in check, someone has to lead Thedas when the Qunari come, someone has to keep the Chantry safe.

Your poor attempts at moralising can be dropped, I don't particularly care for arguing which nations and organizations do and don't have blood on their hands, so of you can move past thatitd be nice.

Except Orlais can't beat either.

 

The only thing keeping those two in check is them being too preoccupied with each other.

[Augustei]

Ferelden itself aint much better.

 

Except Orlais can't beat either.

 

The only thing keeping those two in check is them being too preoccupied with each other.

Considering they've conquered all but the capital before and they were fully capable of continuing the war if not for a blight i'd dispute this.

[Lulupab]

Because Minrathous is beyond any power in the Thedas. It has witnessed full might of all of Thedas combined, Qunari, blights, even the maker himself and has been triumphant.

 

It has unlimited supplies from Dwarves who live under them so you cannot take it by siege. Its on an Island which can only be accessed by a bridge which Tevinter can destroy and repair at will to stop foot attackers and counter attack at the right moment. The Island is surrounded by sharp cliffs (probably carved by magic) so no ship can approach unless they are allowed. They have superior ranged combat due to having best mages in Thedas. Don't forget they use golems and gigantic elephants as well. Minrathous cannot be conquered, period.

[Ieldra]

I have just finished this mission for the third time and I have now seen three of the five main outcomes, including Celene rules alone, Briala as shadow empress and Celene and Briala reconciled. I love how we can influence things to go so many different ways, and how different those outcomes feel.

 

As for Celene and Briala being "reunited", it didn't come across that way to me. They are reconciled, as in no longer enemies. While I guess it's possible to headcanon that they take up the relationship again, personally I can't see that happening.

[Steelcan]

first time hearing about this, but he is blood thirsty Tyrant, it was clear from talking to him, sooner or later he has a rebellion on hes hands, a new civil war, that happens when u try to keep ur nation together trough fear, people fearing u, it mite also happen no matter who is on the throne, considering what i have seen so far, neither of them cant handle this with out the alliance with Inquisition, but Briala is Elf & she helped to save Celene, that mite make Orlay people see Elves differently

You haven't actually done Gaspard's route have you

[Steelcan]

Because Minrathous is beyond any power in the Thedas. It has witnessed full might of all of Thedas combined, Qunari, blights, even the maker himself and has been triumphant.
 
It has unlimited supplies from Dwarves who live under them so you cannot take it by siege. Its on an Island which can only be accessed by a bridge which Tevinter can destroy and repair at will to stop foot attackers and counter attack at the right moment. The Island is surrounded by sharp cliffs (probably carved by magic) so no ship can approach unless they are allowed. They have superior ranged combat due to having best mages in Thedas. Don't forget they use golems and gigantic elephants as well. Minrathous cannot be conquered, period.

. It will be conquered when the writers want it to be.

Nor was it "triumphant" against everything assayed at them. Not losing is different from winning

[Steelcan]

Celene ungrateful? she cant afford it, so far awry ending where she is on throne alone or 3 of them worked together, she is stuck with Inquisition cause she would lose her throne if she cuts the alliance with Inquisition, & from videos i so Gaspard is the same, both suck up to Inquisition, Celene & Briala mite be stronger then other combinations, only thing that fixes things is if Elves lives become better, if Elven Problem in Orlay is fixed, & it can only happen if they end up together again, at least as allies if nothing more, but both of them are needed

Celene has an epilogue where she basically kicks the Inquisition out of Court ya know

[herkles]

. It will be conquered when the writers want it to be.

Nor was it "triumphant" against everything assayed at them. Not losing is different from winning

The dark spawn sacked Minrathous during the second blight as one example. 

[Sugram84]

You haven't actually done Gaspard's route have you

i so ending video where he had the throne

[Sugram84]

Celene has an epilogue where she basically kicks the Inquisition out of Court ya know

it never happened with me, i guess there are 2 thing that need to happen for that to happen, first u need to make her mad & second u need to make her strong so she could rule without ur Alliance, if it happened to u then it was ur own fault most likely 

[Steelcan]

it never happened with me, i guess there are 2 thing that need to happen for that to happen, first u need to make her mad & second u need to make her strong so she could rule without ur Alliance, if it happened to u then it was ur own fault most likely 

I'd never let her stay on the throne in the first place

[Steelcan]

i so ending video where he had the throne

I actually played with him as Emperor, he had no rebellions and he wasn't going around slaughtering elves, nor did he invade Ferelden

[Sugram84]

I actually played with him as Emperor, he had no rebellions and he wasn't going around slaughtering elves, nor did he invade Ferelden

but in past he did, so i heard, & from talking with him i can tell hes not good guy, if he would then the alliance of the 3 would not brake, i mean he would not try to start new plot, its from ending epilogue, it said he starts to plot..., i don't like sore losers like him, he should have learned from the first time & second, he & Celene are family to, Celene only played hes game cause her spy's discovered that he plots against her

[Steelcan]

but in past he did, so i heard, & from talking with him i can tell hes not good guy

he didn't invade Ferelden in the past, he fought in the war and wanted to use it as a unifying cause for Orlais, but he did not lead the invasion or anything

 

he's no better or worse than Celene

[Lenimph]

I have just finished this mission for the third time and I have now seen three of the five main outcomes, including Celene rules alone, Briala as shadow empress and Celene and Briala reconciled. I love how we can influence things to go so many different ways, and how different those outcomes feel.

 

As for Celene and Briala being "reunited", it didn't come across that way to me. They are reconciled, as in no longer enemies. While I guess it's possible to headcanon that they take up the relationship again, personally I can't see that happening.

Um the epilogue literally calls Briala Celene's "Lady Love"  

 

It's not really something to debate, they are romantically entangled if you choose that path.

[Sugram84]

he didn't invade Ferelden in the past, he fought in the war and wanted to use it as a unifying cause for Orlais, but he did not lead the invasion or anything

 

he's no better or worse than Celene

i meant the attack on Alianges where Elves live in city, slaughtering elves

 

also who started the fight what lead to civil war? Gaspard did! cause Celene didn't approve some of hes idea, cause she did not give him enough war to satisfy hes needs, to tell u the truth, if there would be a option, i would take the throne, cause they cause 2much trouble, with their silly games  

[ctd757]

Is there any way I can get a benefit for the City Elf Briala? Like will elves get more respect. Somebody said you can make all three work for Inquisition but I'm not sure

[ctd757]

Is there any way I can get a benefit for the City Elf Briala? Like will elves get more respect. Somebody said you can make all three work for Inquisition but I'm not sure