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[The Baconer]

You know she's been empress for, like, 20 years before the civil war even starts yeah?

[WhatGoesHere]

Hmm I am only getting the option at the end to reunite briala with celene, which results in gaspard's death.  How do you get all 3 of them to work together?  I found the locket and talked to both of them about it. 

you have to open the bedroom in the royal wing. it requires 5 halla statues. there aren't enough statues to open every door that requires halla statues in the game so...choose carefully. i think you can open all the plot point doors if you don't open any of the loot doors, including the storage room door in the courtyard (i was short 1 statue, despite being 10/10 on the halla statue quest, for the lower garden door after opening the royal wing door)

 

inside the royal wing door, you'll find evidence you can use against celene, and show that all three of them were conspiring in some way. with that you can force them to work together

[Bleachrude]

Is it possible to get Briala and Celene back together AND have Gaspard part of the court?

 

I've seen all 3 of them working together but celene and Briala aren't actually together 

[Steelcan]

I'm still baffled by people wanting to get them together. Just because they still have feelings for each other doesn't mean their relationship want horrid

[WhatGoesHere]

Is it possible to get Briala and Celene back together AND have Gaspard part of the court?

 

I've seen all 3 of them working together but celene and Briala aren't actually together 

uhmmm i don't think so. i tried a bunch of combinations and nothing worked. here's what the prima guide has to say about it:

 

 

After Celene’s life has been saved, when the three leaders meet, tell Celene that Briala helped you to stop Florianne. Present all the dirt you found during your investigations throughout the palace to paint Gaspard as a traitor to Orlais. Then ask Celene, “What about Briala’s reward?” to make sure the couple reconciles their differences. You cannot try to save Gaspard’s life and reconcile the lovers in the same playthrough.

[Shadow Fox]

Um Marjolaine never loved Leliana, stabbed her literally and sent her to an actual prison where she was tortured and possibly raped... But Celene is bad because of a choice she was forced into when she was 16? Also Brialas mom literally did the same thing for her daughter

Marjolaine also didn't kill her parents,lie to her about it and sleep with her for a decade.

 

Celene did that 

 

So yeah more screwed up.

[ButterRum]

"unprecedented peace and prosperity" The country is ravaged by civil war, and the breach kills the Divine, ushering in a time of calamity for all of Thedas. But DAMMIT if Orlais isn't in a golden age! Because what? Because Celene says so? Yeah.. We are gonna need something with a little more credibility than her.

 

Because the civil war and breach are totally Celene's fault... 

[Steelcan]

Because the civil war and breach are totally Celene's fault... 

the Civil War is absolutely her fault, Gaspard gave her a way out, marry him, and she turned him down

[The Baconer]

the Civil War is absolutely her fault, Gaspard gave her a way out, marry him, and she turned him down

 

This again. This is very disingenuous.

[Steelcan]

This again. This is very disingenuous.

was I imagining that part?

[Nyaore]

I'm still baffled by people wanting to get them together. Just because they still have feelings for each other doesn't mean their relationship want horrid

I think it's a little less 'squicky' for people who haven't read the books, or don't know what happened second hand. Personally I tried to go for getting the three of them to work together as my Dalish Inquisitor was having none of any of their ****, but I ended up with Gaspard in exile instead and I forget what happened to Briala and Celene. Never letting them reconcile in that manner.

[The Baconer]

was I imagining that part?

 

No, but saying that puts her at fault for the civil war is intellectually dishonest, and you know it.

 

If you're one of the people who says that she has no backbone and bends over to cater to the whining nobles, it's also hypocritical.

[Steelcan]

No, but saying that puts her at fault for the civil war is intellectually dishonest, and you know it.

 

If you're one of the people who says that she has no backbone and bends over to cater to the whining nobles, it's also hypocritical.

Not really, she had the chance to avoid it all and she turned it down in full knowledge of what that meant.

 

She bends over backwards to nobles, true, but the one time it might have been advantageous to do so.......

[ButterRum]

the Civil War is absolutely her fault, Gaspard gave her a way out, marry him, and she turned him down

 

Then how is the civil war not Gaspard's fault? It's not fair to put fault on Celene if all she had to do was marry Gaspard. You could say the same about Gaspard then ... he could have prevented the civil war by not wanting to rebel against Celene in the first place.

 

Celene earned her place at the throne, and Gaspard trailed behind. She wouldn't want her cousin to mooch off her coat tails through a lazy marriage. And Gaspard still wanted to do his military thing. The marriage would have been full of arguments with possibly another civil war down the road.

[The Baconer]

Not really, she had the chance to avoid it all and she turned it down in full knowledge of what that meant.

 

So did he, by shutting the **** up and not trying to make demands of someone he has no legal authority over. Something he was obligated to do by his own code.

 

 

She bends over backwards to nobles, true, but the one time it might have been advantageous to do so.......

 

Advantageous for who? It's quite a leap to believe that a marriage between Gaspard and Celene would actually stabilize Orlais.

[Steelcan]

So did he, by shutting the **** up and not trying to make demands of someone he has no legal authority over. Something he was obligated to do by his own code.

 

 

Advantageous for who? It's quite a leap to believe that a marriage between Gaspard and Celene would actually stabilize Orlais.

He should be the one having the authority in the first place, he was the rightful heir and she robbed him of it, I wouldn't take accept her authority either

 

It would avoid an immediate Civil War which is always good for stability

[EmperorSahlertz]

You know she's been empress for, like, 20 years before the civil war even starts yeah?

When longevity and persistence equals success and efficiency I'll let you know.

[ButterRum]

He should be the one having the authority in the first place, he was the rightful heir and she robbed him of it, I wouldn't take accept her authority either

 

It would avoid an immediate Civil War which is always good for stability

 

There is no "rightful heir" in Orlais. Their whole culture involves playing the "Game" and ousting another family of power, so Celene just did what every other ruler did before her.

[Steelcan]

There is no "rightful heir" in Orlais. Their whole culture involves playing the "Game" and ousting another family of power, so Celene just did what every other ruler did before her.

Gaspard was still the favored heir to Florian until Celene pulled a fast one

[The Baconer]

He should be the one having the authority in the first place, he was the rightful heir and she robbed him of it, I wouldn't take accept her authority either.

 

Too bad.

 

Well, I guess it's more too bad for the Orlesians who have to die because Gaspard is butthurt.

 

 

When longevity and persistence equals success and efficiency I'll let you know.

 

Consistent success equals success. There's only 20 years of not-civil-war to go by, give or take...

[Steelcan]

Too bad.

 

Well, I guess it's more too bad for the Orlesians who have to die because Gaspard is butthurt.

too bad for Celene she couldn't charm that knife she fell on

[EmperorSahlertz]

Consistent success equals success. There's only 20 years of not-civil-war to go by, give or take...

When did the measurement of the effectiveness of a ruler essentially boil down to: "Whelp! I didn't start any civil wars this year! I must be doing good!"?

[The Baconer]

When did the measurement of the effectiveness of a ruler essentially boil down to: "Whelp! I didn't start any civil wars this year! I must be doing good!"?

 

You could measure it by the 20 years of peace, the nation's wealth after the disastrous reign of Florian, and the period of cultural renaissance.

 

 

too bad for Celene she couldn't charm that knife she fell on

 

ok

[Dabrikishaw]

I don't see Gaspard as the rightful heir, but there is no way in hell I'm letting Celene and Briala have any say in Orlais' future once I'm done with my 2 Dalish playthroughs. I could see putting Celene and Briala back together as a "match made in hell" type of thing but other than that I don't see the appeal in restoring their awful relationship.

[Steelcan]

You could measure it by the 20 years of peace, the nation's wealth after the disastrous reign of Florian, and the period of cultural renaissance.

 

and it all comes crashing down very quickly because of her