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[Xilizhra]

. So its OK because the abuse was hidden from the public eye? In this case meta gaming isn't entirely unacceptable

Whether there was abuse or not (I have not, after all, read the book either), my Inquisitor would have no reason to know of it.

[marloko]

Make Gaspard Emperor>Do the War Table mission about diplomatic talks between Ferelden and Orlais>Watch Gaspard lead the empire to a new era of strength and cooperation with Ferelden

i have Josie working on that right now... it takes aprox 15 hours

[Steelcan]

Whether there was abuse or not (I have not, after all, read the book either), my Inquisitor would have no reason to know of it.

. What's your opinion of locking someone away in a love nest so that they can't leave but you can visitat your pleasure... Sounds fairly abusive to me...

The Inquisition shouldn't be playing matchmaker regardless.

[Xilizhra]

. What's your opinion of locking someone away in a love nest so that they can't leave but you can visitat your pleasure... Sounds fairly abusive to me...

Don't know, haven't read the book to know the full context. And happily, I don't need to.

 

 

The Inquisition shouldn't be playing matchmaker regardless.

As the Inquisitor, I was gathering information. As the Inquisitor, I chose to pass pertinent information on to my prospective allies. What they do with it is their business.

[FiveThreeTen]

Regarding the approval of your companion, here's what I got:

 

Celene alone (I don't actually remember except Cole):

- Cole disapproves (either greatly or normal disapproval but definitely not "slightly")

 

Gaspard alone:

- Dorian disapproves

- Cassandra greatly approves

- Sera slightly approves

 

Celene/Briala:

- Dorian greatly approves

- Cassandra greatly approves

- Cole greatly approves

 

Gaspard/Briala:

- Dorian slightly approves

- Cassandra greatly disapproves

- Sera slightly disapproves

 

The 3 together:

- Cassandra slightly disapproves

- Cole greatly approves

 

Note:

It's the approval just before the final speechs, it doesn't include approval when you expose your proofs/blackmail (for example, Solas always "approves" when you favor Briala, and Sera always "disapproves" when you favor her) and bear in mind that if you max out your companion approval, it will not show anymore so I may not have it all.

[Bann Duncan]

Ugh. After finishing the book I feel disgusted at myself for saving Celene. I just reloaded my save and did the ending where Briala rules-- so much more satisfying. Next time!

 

Their relationship is like a much higher stakes version of the kind of relationship where one partner beats the other then is super-affectionate for the next couple of days.

[celebrei]

Isn't Briala unaware that Celene is complicit to her parent's deaths? (at the behest of Lady Mantillon)

[Fiery Phoenix]

How do you get Celene and Briala to lead Orlais together?

 

I was able to verbally expose Florianne and save Celene. I detained Gaspard and have no clue what happened to Briala since the conversation just ended after I decided Gaspard's fate.

[Xilizhra]

How do you get Celene and Briala to lead Orlais together?

 

I was able to verbally expose Florianne and save Celene. I detained Gaspard and have no clue what happened to Briala since the conversation just ended after I decided Gaspard's fate.

Find the locket behind the three-halla door in the servant's wing, show it to Celene's handmaidens and Briala, support Briala in the final conversation between the three leaders, then ask Celene about Briala's reward.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Find the locket behind the three-halla door in the servant's wing, show it to Celene's handmaidens and Briala, support Briala in the final conversation between the three leaders, then ask Celene about Briala's reward.

Interesting.

 

I've seen no indication as to what happened to Briala in my playthrough. I just finished the quest today and to the best of my knowledge, Celene is Empress and Gaspard is no more.

[jtav]

Anybody else interested in compiling a "How do I get X ending" walkthrough for this quest?

Personally, I thought it was a shame arresting the Grand Duchess locked you out of choosing a ruler. Or did I screw up?

[Dabrikishaw]

What's this "Didn't read the book so I don't have a dirty conscience" nonsense? Look at any wiki in the world. You don't need the book.

 

Isn't Briala unaware that Celene is complicit to her parent's deaths? (at the behest of Lady Mantillon)

No, Briala figures out that Celene was the one who caused her parents' death.

[Xilizhra]

What's this "Didn't read the book so I don't have a dirty conscience" nonsense? Look at any wiki in the world. You don't need the book.

My Inquisitor has no wiki.

[Bann Duncan]

Isn't Briala unaware that Celene is complicit to her parent's deaths? (at the behest of Lady Mantillon)

 

 

She figures it out towards the end of the novel and then there's a flashback to Celene ordering the hit on target and servants alike.

 

It's not even like the case in a certain story quest in the game where the person with a guilty conscience genuinely did not know that there would be collateral damage.

 

My Inquisitor has no wiki.

 

Your Inquisitor has Leliana, Sister Nightingale, as an advisor who was well aware of all of the proceedings. I wouldn't be surprised if that contributed to her preference for letting Celene die. From an RP perspective, Leliana provides justification for any 'metagaming' in that choice.

[TK514]

So "If I don't see it happening, it's OK".

 

As a tangent, I was mildly disappointed with Briala's character design.  While Celene, Gaspard, and Florienne looked reasonable for people in their fourties or fifties, Briala comes across as as least 20 years younger.

[Hellion Rex]

So "If I don't see it happening, it's OK".

 

As a tangent, I was mildly disappointed with Briala's character design.  While Celene, Gaspard, and Florienne looked reasonable for people in their fourties or fifties, Briala comes across as as least 20 years younger.

Celene's just 37 lol.

[Xilizhra]

Your Inquisitor has Leliana, Sister Nightingale, as an advisor who was well aware of all of the proceedings. I wouldn't be surprised if that contributed to her preference for letting Celene die. From an RP perspective, Leliana provides justification for any 'metagaming' in that choice.

It's not as though Leliana tells me anything about it.

 

 

So "If I don't see it happening, it's OK".

 

As a tangent, I was mildly disappointed with Briala's character design.  While Celene, Gaspard, and Florienne looked reasonable for people in their fourties or fifties, Briala comes across as as least 20 years younger.

"If I don't see it happening, I can't make decisions based on it."

 

But regardless, there's no way in any hell that I'll let the one lesbian NPC romance that doesn't necessarily have to end tragically in Dragon Age thus far slip away.

[Fiery Phoenix]

As a tangent, I was mildly disappointed with Briala's character design.  While Celene, Gaspard, and Florienne looked reasonable for people in their fourties or fifties, Briala comes across as as least 20 years younger.

I had similar thoughts. I could have mistaken her for any other elf.

[SgtSteel91]

I heard that

Spoiler

Gaspard can give greater rights to the elves and plan to tear down the Alienage if he's made Emperor. Does this happen if he's alone or if it's Gaspard/Briala?

[FiveThreeTen]

Your Inquisitor has Leliana, Sister Nightingale, as an advisor who was well aware of all of the proceedings. I wouldn't be surprised if that contributed to her preference for letting Celene die. From an RP perspective, Leliana provides justification for any 'metagaming' in that choice.

Huh the only thing Leliana is aware of is that Celene brutally put down an elven rebellion. She knows nothing about Lady Mantillon and the murder of the servants.

[Bann Duncan]

Huh the only thing Leliana is aware of is that Celene brutally put down an elven rebellion. She knows nothing about Lady Mantillon and the murder of the servants.

 

Leliana has the best spy network in Thedas, especially Ferelden and Orlais, so I said you can RP/headcanon decisions based on her knowing about what happened and telling the Inquisitor at some point.

 

As for the stuff with Lady Mantillon, it's very possible that she knows. Probable, even.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Leliana has the best spy network in Thedas, especially Ferelden and Orlais, so I said you can RP/headcanon decisions based on her knowing about what happened and telling the Inquisitor at some point.

 

As for the stuff with Lady Mantillon, it's very possible that she knows. Probable, even.

Does Leliana know about the eluvian journey? Apparently you think she know everything in the world that ever happened

[FiveThreeTen]

Okay, it is pure headcanon though.

Leliana stance is more based on her desire for more radical changes

Spoiler

It also shows in her options taken as a Divine regarding the Chantry and mages

[Bann Duncan]

Okay, it is pure headcanon though.

Leliana stance is more based on her desire for more radical changes

Spoiler

It also shows in her options taken as a Divine regarding the Chantry and mages

 

Exactly. All I'm saying is that Leliana's position (both in Orlesian events and as an advisor) makes it a viable headcanon for additional information to what we hear in the game.

[TK514]

It's not as though Leliana tells me anything about it.

 

 

"If I don't see it happening, I can't make decisions based on it."

 

But regardless, there's no way in any hell that I'll let the one lesbian NPC romance that doesn't necessarily have to end tragically in Dragon Age thus far slip away.

 

I guess if you don't consider returning to an abusive relationship tragic, sure.  It's not like you, the player, are acting out of ignorance.  You already know it was a crappy relationship that ended badly, or you wouldn't have put Weekes on your blacklist, and you'd have read the book.  You've just chosen to stick your fingers in your ears and yell "I can't hear you I can't hear you".