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[Xilizhra]

I guess if you don't consider returning to an abusive relationship tragic, sure.  It's not like you, the player, are acting out of ignorance.  You already know it was a crappy relationship that ended badly, or you wouldn't have put Weekes on your blacklist, and you'd have read the book.  You've just chosen to stick your fingers in your ears and yell "I can't hear you I can't hear you".

And now it can be rebuilt better. If later games say it turned out badly, I'll be willing to change my answer. But I doubt they will, as the game didn't go into any alleged abuse stories at all.

[Bann Duncan]

And now it can be rebuilt better. If later games say it turned out badly, I'll be willing to change my answer. But I doubt they will, as the game didn't go into any alleged abuse stories at all.

 

Let me repeat, Celene ordered the deaths of Briala's entire family. And it's not just that, but Briala notices in the novel that while Celene risked her life to save someone else, she hesitated to do the same for her (which nearly got her killed). For a while in the book Briala has this growing doubt at the back of her mind even as she's telling people Celene will help the elves, and then she's sure of it at the end.

[jtav]

I'd also note that Celene has a habit of festishizing Briala's looks. If Celene were a man, nobody would be calling for a reconciliation.

 

That said, there's something to be said for the political consequences of reconciliation.

[SgtSteel91]

tbh, I'd rather have one terrible relationship than a three-way war.

[Dark Helmet]

tbh, I'd rather have one terrible relationship than a three-way war.

 

Or you could let the false Empress die, put Gaspard on the throne and end the Rabbit rebellion.

 

For justice.

[TheSeekerofLulz]

How is Celene a false empress? When the Council of Heralds supports her? 

[FiveThreeTen]

I'd also note that Celene has a habit of festishizing Briala's looks. If Celene were a man, nobody would be calling for a reconciliation.

 

That said, there's something to be said for the political consequences of reconciliation.

Where? Or Celene finding Briala beautiful is festishizing her looks?

[SgtSteel91]

Or you could let the false Empress die, put Gaspard on the throne and end the Rabbit rebellion.

 

For justice.

 

Who then goes on to invade Fereldan or Tevinter (unless I'm missing something)

[Dark Helmet]

Who then goes on to invade Fereldan or Tevinter (unless I'm missing something)

 

He doesn't invade Tevinter, he fortifies the Empire's northern border against potential trouble FROM Tevinter.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

How is Celene a false empress? When the Council of Heralds supports her? 

 

Theres a lot of senseless hate for Celene and blind worshiping of Gaspard beyond any reason on the BSN.

 

Considering you can get a good ending from siding with Gaspard or Celene, the choice of either is entirely subjective.

 

Its interesting that Cassandra approves of either Gaspard alone or Celene + Briala. Cass even slightly disproves of forcing all three together.

[SgtSteel91]

He doesn't invade Tevinter, he fortifies the Empire's northern border against potential trouble FROM Tevinter.

 

Are you doing some bullshit role-playing or is that what actually what happens? Does it still happen if you do that wartable mission where he makes peace with Fereldan? And does he make things better for elves if he's sole ruler?

[Dark Helmet]

Theres a lot of senseless hate for Celene and blind worshiping of Gaspard beyond any reason on the BSN.

 

Respect for Gaspard, not worship.

 

Forgive me for preferring the competent military man to the schemer.

[Barquiel]

tbh, I'd rather have one terrible relationship than a three-way war.

Agreed. Honstly, my inquisitor doesn't even know Briala's parents...and their love life is really their problem (I'm not saying Celene is a saint, but neither is Briala...and certainly not Gaspard). I want them both to work together and make Orlais a better place, everything else is their business.

Metagame wise, I thought their relationship was fine at the beginning of the book. Sure, the power dynamic was a bit messed up, but that isn't the case anymore. And it was obvious that Briala needed Celenes comfort just as much as Celene needed hers.

[Dark Helmet]

Are you doing some bullshit role-playing or is that what actually what happens? Does it still happen if you do that wartable mission where he makes peace with Fereldan? And does he make things better for elves if he's sole ruler?

 

He fortifies the Empire's border if you do the war table mission.

 

He doesn't give a **** about elves either way.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

Respect for Gaspard, not worship.

 

Forgive me for preferring the competent military man to the schemer.

 

He doesn't seem capable of winning the Civil War except by scheming so I'm failing to see the point here.

[TheSeekerofLulz]

Theres a lot of senseless hate for Celene and blind worshiping of Gaspard beyond any reason on the BSN.

I've noticed that. I still don't see anything Gaspard could do that Celene couldn't. And all the points against Celene were because of Gaspard's suggestions. Seems kind of hypocritical to me. 

[SgtSteel91]

He fortifies the Empire's border if you do the war table mission.

 

He doesn't give a **** about elves either way.

 

But I heard he grants greater rights for elves and plans to tear down the Alienage if he's made Emperor. Does that happen if you support Gaspard/Briala?

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

Are you doing some bullshit role-playing or is that what actually what happens? Does it still happen if you do that wartable mission where he makes peace with Fereldan? And does he make things better for elves if he's sole ruler?

 

Gespard will invade Fereleden unless you do the wartable mission. If you do, Gespard and Alistair will create an alliance to defend against Tevinter. After all, the Venatori are a Tevinter cult, a lot of southerners are going to blame Tevinter for this mess.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

But I heard he grants greater rights for elves and plans to tear down the Alienage if he's made Emperor. Does that happen if you support Gaspard/Briala?

 

It does happen if you support Gaspard/Briala though its because Briala is blackmailing Gaspard into doing what she says. There are hints of a new civil war brewing however so Briala scheme seems likely to backfire in this case.

Celene + Briala makes Briala the first elven noble of Orlias. Reminds me of the city elves getting their own Bann at the end of Origins. Its an important step to improving elven relations in the empire but not destablingly rapid change in the Gaspard/Briala ending.

[SgtSteel91]

Thank you all for the replies, it's really informed my opinion and I am

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sticking to having Celene and Briala reconcile and have Gaspard exiled (I think you can have Gaspard exiled)

[Former_Fiend]

tbh, I'd rather have one terrible relationship than a three-way war.

 

Which is fair enough. 

 

I can accept someone getting them back together for the political benefits of it. 

 

I just utterly disagree with anyone who argues reuniting them is at all "romantic" when it's anything but. 

[Steelcan]

How is Celene a false empress? When the Council of Heralds supports her?

because she still upset the established succession order. The Praetorian Guard sold the office of emperor one year, doesn't make the guy who bought it legit.

[Dark Helmet]

Which is fair enough. 

 

I can accept someone getting them back together for the political benefits of it. 

 

I just utterly disagree with anyone who argues reuniting them is at all "romantic" when it's anything but. 

 

Exactly. No matter how much I rail about it here I am fine with people supporting Celene, I vehemently disagree with the choice but it's their game.

 

But wanting them back together just so the series can have a "Healthy npc lesbian relationship" when it would be anything but seems wrong.

[Former_Fiend]

Theres a lot of senseless hate for Celene and blind worshiping of Gaspard beyond any reason on the BSN.

 

Considering you can get a good ending from siding with Gaspard or Celene, the choice of either is entirely subjective.

 

Its interesting that Cassandra approves of either Gaspard alone or Celene + Briala. Cass even slightly disproves of forcing all three together.

 

To be fair there's an equal amount of white washing Celene's actions and accepting her justifications and rationalizations at face value while demonizing Gaspard.

 

Gaspard and Celene are both horrible people. I'm leaning towards making them work together when the DAI section of the keep opens up, because damnit, they deserve one another.

[Milan92]

It does happen if you support Gaspard/Briala though its because Briala is blackmailing Gaspard into doing what she says. There are hints of a new civil war brewing however so Briala scheme seems likely to backfire in this case.

Celene + Briala makes Briala the first elven noble of Orlias. Reminds me of the city elves getting their own Bann at the end of Origins. Its an important step to improving elven relations in the empire but not destablingly rapid change in the Gaspard/Briala ending.

 

So would you argue the Celene/Briala ending is beter then forcing all 3 of them to work together?