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[jtav]

Is the Celene/Briala epilogue online anywhere?

[TheSeekerofLulz]

because she still upset the established succession order. The Praetorian Guard sold the office of emperor one year, doesn't make the guy who bought it legit.

And? It's not her fault Gaspard doesn't know how to be Orlesian. 

[DarthLaxian]

how did you achieve that? i tried and failed

 

I did it (Celene pardoned her - but the game says that she is dead...?!?!?)

 

I hope that's just a bug

 

greetings LAX

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

So would you argue the Celene/Briala ending is beter then forcing all 3 of them to work together?

 

Not sure since I haven't seen the epilogue slide for that. I'll probably go with Celene + Briala because Cassandra approves of it and Gaspard was plotting to send his troops into the ball. It helps the city elves out while leaving the empire in a stable position. Not to mention that Celene is said to be dependent on the Inquisition if you exile Gaspard. Sounds like a really good way to allow the Inquisition to remain influential in Orlias.

[TK514]

Which is fair enough. 
 
I can accept someone getting them back together for the political benefits of it. 
 
I just utterly disagree with anyone who argues reuniting them is at all "romantic" when it's anything but.

  

Exactly. No matter how much I rail about it here I am fine with people supporting Celene, I vehemently disagree with the choice but it's their game.
 
But wanting them back together just so the series can have a "Healthy npc lesbian relationship" when it would be anything but seems wrong.

Agreed.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

Is the Celene/Briala epilogue online anywhere?

 

Its on youtube because I've watched it myself but I doubt I could find the video again. Sorry.

 

I doubt know if I'd consider Celene and Briala a healthy relationship but its irreverent since the game basically focuses on the political outcome of who you choose as ruler. And the outcome of Celene and Briala seems to be the most stable outcome for the empire but I've yet to see the epilogue slide of all three working together. If and when I do, I shall post the result here.

[Milan92]

Not sure since I haven't seen the epilogue slide for that. I'll probably go with Celene + Briala because Cassandra approves of it and Gaspard was plotting to send his troops into the ball. It helps the city elves out while leaving the empire in a stable position. Not to mention that Celene is said to be dependent on the Inquisition if you exile Gaspard. Sounds like a really good way to allow the Inquisition to remain influential in the Orlias.

 

I'll try it out on my current playthrough.

 

Basically if you force all three to work together it ends up with Celene only keeping the throne because of her alliance with the inquistion. Gaspard is becoming a threat again and Briala is lurking in the shadows waiting for her time.

[WhatGoesHere]

So would you argue the Celene/Briala ending is beter then forcing all 3 of them to work together?

when you have all three working together, they still hate each other...briala and celene aren't reconciled if you go down that dialogue path. so the end slide you get says the civil war has ended, but there is a new war in the shadows with gaspard now playing court politics against celene, and briala's uprising still rages

 

in my first playthru i spent hours running around the palace trying to get all the clues, so that i could make them all work together. needless to say, the clearly unhappy ending was a little disheartening :|

 

only the celene/briala ending seemed happy even though it says something like 'nobody knows how long they'll stay together'. it also says that orlais is resurgent, and celene now champions arts and stuff, because of briala's influence. in all the other endings either the vying powers are dead, or they're scheming behind each other's backs so...yeah. i think i prefer the reconciliation ending...overall, court politics suck

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

I'll try it out on my current playthrough.

 

Basically if you force all three to work together it ends up with Celene only keeping the throne because of her alliance with the inquistion. Gaspard is becoming a threat again and Briala is lurking in the shadows waiting for her time.

 

Ah, that sounds like a negative outcome then. Well, Celene and Briala or Gaspard alone with an alliance with Ferelden (to keep the peace) look to be the best possible outcomes.

[Former_Fiend]

Ah, that sounds like a negative outcome then. Well, Celene and Briala or Gaspard alone with an alliance with Ferelden (to keep the peace) look to be the best possible outcomes.

 

It actually sounds largely the same as my epilogue with Celene alone and Gaspard exiled.

 

Personally I count it as a positive from a selfish stand point. I'd prefer the Orlesian throne be a puppet for the Inquisition.

[jtav]

My Trvelyan was fine with Celene as puppet empress. At least nobody's invading Ostwick.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

It actually sounds largely the same as my epilogue with Celene alone and Gaspard exiled.

 

Personally I count it as a positive from a selfish stand point. I'd prefer the Orlesian throne be a puppet for the Inquisition.

 

Ah, I see. So if Gaspard dies then Celene forgets her debt to the Inquisition. But if you exile him then she needs the Inquisition's support to maintain power.

 

 

[Former_Fiend]

Indeed. People are so much more amenable when they know that they're replaceable.  

[Milan92]

It actually sounds largely the same as my epilogue with Celene alone and Gaspard exiled.

 

Personally I count it as a positive from a selfish stand point. I'd prefer the Orlesian throne be a puppet for the Inquisition.

 

Having the empire of orlais in the pocket is definitely useful! 

 

You said this happens if you Celene stays alone and Gaspard exiled?

 

*takes notes*

[Former_Fiend]

Having the empire of orlais in the pocket is definitely useful! 

 

You said this happens if you Celene stays alone and Gaspard exiled?

 

*takes notes*

 

Yes. Celene relies on the Inquisition for her victories while living in constant fear of the day that Gaspard once again raises banners against her.

[lrdrskillz]

Im sorry, but after reading all that Celene did in the book... there is just no way I can let Celene rule. I tried I really did, but she just had to die. I feel like they didn't do Briala's plight justice in the game. Celene killed Briala's parents, used her for years, and even when confronted lied! Then when Briala was going to claim the Eluvian, was going to KILL HER if the elf mage hadn't intervined. Now Celene might claim she loved her, and she might have even believed it.... but that is NOT love. I just wish the inquisitor had that info.

[AresKeith]

Having the empire of orlais in the pocket is definitely useful! 

 

You said this happens if you Celene stays alone and Gaspard exiled?

 

*takes notes*

 

All according to plan 

 

[StrangeStrategy]

 

It was built on lies and murder. 

 

And I would absolutely describe it as abusive. Not physically abusive, but emotionally abusive. Celene thought that their relationship could continue as normal with Briala locked in a tower as a prisoner for the rest of her life. 

 

Seriously. That relationship is sick and broken. 

 

Where did Celene say Briala would be locked in a tower? I don't remember that...

 

Not to mention, Briala isn't some pathetic girl desperate for love: If she wanted to leave, she would. She wouldn't let herself be "abused" by Celene, because she isn't stupid. Nor do I think Celene is abusing her. Lets not forget that they both know this isn't a "normal" relationship, its between the Empress and an elf; that has to be kept secret for both their sakes.

[SgtSteel91]

How baller would it be if you could exile Gaspard and then recruit him as a agent?

 

Spoiler

Like you can do with Michel. What's better than a Chevalier working for you? Two of them.

[WhatGoesHere]

Ah, I see. So if Gaspard dies then Celene forgets her debt to the Inquisition. But if you exile him then she needs the Inquisition's support to maintain power.

 

there are 3 possible dialogue paths about celene's support of the inquisition. celene either forgets, clings, or has a strong two-way alliance. i think how much celene supports the inquisition is dependent on other things. one time i supported only celene and still got the clings slide

 

i haven't managed to get the two-way alliance one, unfortunately

[FiveThreeTen]

How baller would it be if you could exile Gaspard and then recruit him as a agent?

 

Spoiler

Like you can do with Michel. What's better than a Chevalier working for you? Two of them.

Spoiler

Gaspard said his fighting days are probably over in the book, after his fight with said Michel, still he would certainly be useful in other ways

[Shadow Fox]

Yes. Celene relies on the Inquisition for her victories while living in constant fear of the day that Gaspard once again raises banners against her.

...I know what I'm doing now.

[SgtSteel91]

Spoiler

Gaspard said his fighting days are probably over in the book, after his fight with said Michel, still he would certainly be useful in other ways

 

Dude was the leader of the Chevaliers. I'd want him training my troops.

 

Spoiler

Though I guess Michel can do it as well.

[Lenimph]

Alright, let me ask you this; if you found out your significant other murdered your parents and lied to you about it for the entire time you were together, can you honestly conceive of any reason they could have for doing that that would make you forgive them for it?

I can't. If the person that I loved and trusted for years had killed my parents, lied to me about it, manipulated me into killing someone else for it, I could never forgive them for it. I literally cannot fathom a greater betrayal of trust than that. Even if the act some how saved my life through convoluted means, it would't excuse it in my mind.

Maybe you're simply more forgiving than I am. Me? I happen to love my parents.

I don't live in Orlais where this type of thing is typical. I think knowing the fact that my mother did the exact same thingsto get me the position that I am in I might have more leeway to forgive this type of behavior and it's not like I would be asking directly if she killed my mom so we just kept it a secret because she felt as if she would tell her she would lose her and I understand that.

Also I would sooner forgive that over being physically stabbed by someone I was intimate with

[Former_Fiend]

I don't live in Orlais where this type of thing is typical. I think knowing the fact that my mother did the exact same thingsto get me the position that I am in I might have more leeway to forgive this type of behavior and it's not like I would be asking directly if she killed my mom so we just kept it a secret because she felt as if she would tell her she would lose her and I understand that.

Also I would sooner forgive that over being physically stabbed by someone I was intimate with

 

Look, I'm tired of this discussion. You want to get them back together, fine, whatever, your game.

 

Might as well be arguing with people who think that Fifty Shades of Grey is a romantic depiction of a healthy BDSM relationship.