So, what are the chances that he knew all along what Magisters are planning and he actually allowed them to enter Golden City? Maybe He is responsible for the grim view, that Corypheus saw back when city turned Black.
Maybe, he had a purpose? For a blight, darkspawn, everything? Some goal in mind?
p.s.
If he actually exists at all, of course.
The other theory is that the blight was created by the ancient elves as a weapon of mass destruction that got out of hand.
Corypheus stated that the city was black when he got there; whose to say it wasn't always like that, or that it became corrupted long before they entered it..?
And here I thought the developers/ writers were being too subtle with the "This religion was just made up a few hundred years ago vibe."
I'm the opposite of a loremaster and even I know this.
I'm pretty sure BioWare hasn't decided if he exists or not.
But so far they're leaning towards "every god is real, except the Maker".
Corypheus stated that the city was black when he got there; whose to say it wasn't always like that, or that it became corrupted long before they entered it..?
He said he got there and it was black. There's a pretty big distinction between "I got there and it was black" and "It was black before I got there", which he wouldn't be able to know.
@Rifneno: That's not true about Free Will. It remains Free Will, because we are ignorant to the choices we are going to make. If there is an omniscient being called The Maker, It knowing what choices you will make does not mean you were not free to make them.
As for the Blight - it was the Free Will of the magisters that condemned the world to the Blight. Breaking into the Golden City took a phenomenal amount of resources for Tevinter and a level of hubris that makes Vivienne and Dorian seem positively humble.
The Maker didn't "make" the Blight - if the Fade is understood at all. The Fade is thought - hubris is what manifested the Blight and infected the Magisters. The Blight is "the corrupting force of sapient entities upon their environment".
Lastly - if I script a novel - I am not bound by the novel. If I paint a picture - I am not bound by the constraints of that picture. If I were The Maker - and I made morality - I would not be beholden to it. That humans would expect a deity to be beholden to the rules it made for mortals - is not correct thinking.
As Solas says: A true god does not have to prove itself.
I believe gaider has said that he is delibertly leaving the Maker and Andraste alone so that there is more room for speculation. Which I like. It would be kind of annoying to rp a devote Andrastian if I knew occly that they were wrong.
As for me, this sort of questions relating to the omniscient of just 1 god, is why I am a polytheist IRL 
The Chantry teaches that free will exists. So while the Maker is omniscient/omnipotent to a degree, he still exists in a world with free will. Theoretically, like many omnipotent Gods in religions, he could overturn free will if he wanted but chooses to allow it. For whatever reason. The Chantry teaches that the Golden City was turned black by Magisters who, in their pride, sought to become Gods. The Maker allowed this to happen and could theoretically "reverse" it but he will not - according to the Chantry - until all the people (and other races) of Thedas accept him as the one true God. Hence all the Exalted Marches. Now, the religion clearly rests upon its laurels and few seem to be actually trying to convert a bunch of other people for the Maker's favour at the moment. It's more a tradition than a true cause for most. They're busy with their day-to-day human problems and power struggles, after all.
You could be right, of course, and this could all be a grand plan, if the Maker is real. But there could be any number of "truths" possible. Assuming the Maker a) exists and b] is truly a God.
I'm pretty sure BioWare hasn't decided if he exists or not.
But so far they're leaning towards "every god is real, except the Maker".
Yeah, but all those gods who are "real" are also not really gods (in the sense of the Maker or what many would consider a God) - just very powerful beings. They didn't create the world; they don't truly rule it. They were merely semi-immortals with power.
Just like gods in tons of other non-Abrahamic religions.
Like the Norse gods are just very powerful beings, who can even die, but they're still gods.
So, what are the chances that he knew all along what Magisters are planning and he actually allowed them to enter Golden City? Maybe He is responsible for the grim view, that Corypheus saw back when city turned Black.
Maybe, he had a purpose? For a blight, darkspawn, everything? Some goal in mind?
p.s.
If he actually exists at all, of course.
It fits the christian view of God, giving that Bioware probably used YHWH as a base for the Maker then yeah, he is omniscient and it is al part of his plan. As much as the game initially gives us freedom to believe or not in the maker all this Legacy and Inquisition stuff with Corypheus seem to be VERY connected to a monotheistic view (even if Cory's words point toward atheism). Maybe I'm wrong, and I hope I am since this god almighty stuff does not fit Bioware, but I guess the Maker will probably offer you some kind of Mass Effect 3 ending choice in some point of the games.
Yeah, but all those gods who are "real" are also not really gods (in the sense of the Maker or what many would consider a God) - just very powerful beings. They didn't create the world; they don't truly rule it. They were merely semi-immortals with power.
well maybe it is because I am a polytheist, but the various other devine beings or things that are worshiped in thedas to me should be able to be considered a deity. From the Elven gods to the various gods and goddess of the human tribes. I could even make the case for the dwarven pargons being gods. Of course I view things slightly different then other people.
Just like gods in tons of other non-Abrahamic religions.
Like the Norse gods are just very powerful beings, who can even die, but they're still gods.
Those Gods made the world, though. The Elven Gods do not seem to have done that; they merely seem to have ruled it.
My point isn't to denigrate other forms of worship (I'm agnostic). My point is that "God" has a different meaning if you remove it from Creation Myths, I think. If God is just someone with great power, that's especially complicated in a world where many people have powerful magic.
The Maker is a different kind of God than that (and thus way less likely to be real). So while making the Elven Gods real, powerful Ancient Elves with magic is totally logical and story-consistent, verifying the existence of the Maker is much harder. From a story perspective.
@Rifneno: That's not true about Free Will. It remains Free Will, because we are ignorant to the choices we are going to make. If there is an omniscient being called The Maker, It knowing what choices you will make does not mean you were not free to make them.
As for the Blight - it was the Free Will of the magisters that condemned the world to the Blight. Breaking into the Golden City took a phenomenal amount of resources for Tevinter and a level of hubris that makes Vivienne and Dorian seem positively humble.
The Maker didn't "make" the Blight - if the Fade is understood at all. The Fade is thought - hubris is what manifested the Blight and infected the Magisters. The Blight is "the corrupting force of sapient entities upon their environment".
Lastly - if I script a novel - I am not bound by the novel. If I paint a picture - I am not bound by the constraints of that picture. If I were The Maker - and I made morality - I would not be beholden to it. That humans would expect a deity to be beholden to the rules it made for mortals - is not correct thinking.
As Solas says: A true god does not have to prove itself.
The rules of right and wrong do not change based on power. If the Maker isn't an incredible evil for letting the world suffer the Blight when he could end it simply by willing it, then Corypheus isn't a bad guy either because he's more powerful than the common joe.
But what if the world needs the Blight to bring everyone to the Maker's side, so it will be better overall? I mean, I don't really "get" the Maker any more than I "get" Christianity. (It seems like an omniscient/omnipotent God would do better, yeah?) But I'm sure they have a justification for all this. The Maker works in mysterious ways and all - something bad, for a greater good, etc.
The rules of right and wrong do not change based on power. If the Maker isn't an incredible evil for letting the world suffer the Blight when he could end it simply by willing it, then Corypheus isn't a bad guy either because he's more powerful than the common joe.
But corypehus wants to destroy the world
But what if the world needs the Blight to bring everyone to the Maker's side, so it will be better overall? I mean, I don't really "get" the Maker any more than I "get" Christianity. (It seems like an omniscient/omnipotent God would do better, yeah?) But I'm sure they have a justification for all this. The Maker works in mysterious ways and all - something bad, for a greater good, etc.
But corypehus wants to destroy the world
You mean if the Chantry has an answer like that for the Maker's douchery instead of just pretending it's okay because he's the Maker? Nope.
Naw, he wants to become a god and rule it. And honestly, that bleak and broken future where he succeeds looked a lot better than the Blight did in some places.
Corypheus for Maker 2016!
The one where the companions infected by red lyrium and the breach covering the world?
Those Gods made the world, though. The Elven Gods do not seem to have done that; they merely seem to have ruled it.
My point isn't to denigrate other forms of worship (I'm agnostic). My point is that "God" has a different meaning if you remove it from Creation Myths, I think. If God is just someone with great power, that's especially complicated in a world where many people have powerful magic.
The Maker is a different kind of God than that (and thus way less likely to be real). So while making the Elven Gods real, powerful Ancient Elves with magic is totally logical and story-consistent, verifying the existence of the Maker is much harder. From a story perspective.
I just can't see how a god would be anything than a really powerful being. Even a creator would ultimately be a really, really REALLY powerful being. From this, i would say that a mage with sufficent power is indeed a de-facto god.Does it matter to ant if the feet he has to watch out for belong to a king or a beggar?
I just can't see how a god would be anything than a really powerful being. Even a creator would ultimately be a really, really REALLY powerful being. From this, i would say that a mage with sufficent power is indeed a de-facto god.Does it matter to ant if the feet he has to watch out for belong to a king or a beggar?
A creator-God that existed before "Creation" and thus brought it about is a different thing to me. Not in terms of worship, but in terms of the kind of power we're talking about. Someone who actually created everything else just seems different - a very different type of mythology, much less likely to be easily explained with reality. As the posts here show, a Creator-God has "no excuses" per se. If he doesn't intervene, it is only because he does not want to; his power is limitless.
The power of the other God figures are limited. Very much so, if what we've learned of the Elven Gods is to be believed.
You aren't going to solve the "Problem of Evil" conundrum that has plagued theologians of most religions for millenia in a forum thread on BSN.
The actual interesting thing about Andrasteism, to my mind, is that there is no Adversary. All real world mono and dualist religions have some kind of Adversary to explain evil. Whether a lackey/rebel as in the Abrahamic religions to a full blow opposite in dualist religions, there's some cosmic evil. Mankind appears to be the Adversary in Thedas' religion.
Lastly - if I script a novel - I am not bound by the novel. If I paint a picture - I am not bound by the constraints of that picture. If I were The Maker - and I made morality - I would not be beholden to it. That humans would expect a deity to be beholden to the rules it made for mortals - is not correct thinking.
Paintings and novels are not things to be followed. A better analogy would be a government making laws, and governments are bound by their own laws.
Unless the governors are tyrants, of course.
He also says he "walked in the halls of the Golden City" at the end, take what he says with a grain of salt.Corypheus stated that the city was black when he got there; whose to say it wasn't always like that, or that it became corrupted long before they entered it..?
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