But let's keep this thread pleasant from here on out please.
What I said was a smart ass remark.
No, i mean, you brought up a good point. We have two national holidays to rub it in the face of the Native Americans, and there is also team names like the Redskins. We make a mockery of Natives here in America, and as this thread showed, we tend to want to sweep it under the rug so we can feel better about ourselves.
We live in a messed up society. At least someone out there realizes that.
Guest_Master of Gundams_*
No, i mean, you brought up a good point. We have two national holidays to rub it in the face of the Native Americans, and there is also team names like the Redskins. We make a mockery of Natives here in America, and as this thread showed, we tend to want to sweep it under the rug so we can feel better about ourselves.
We live in a messed up society. At least someone out there realizes that.
I hate it when people cherry pick.
It pisses me off.
No, i mean, you brought up a good point. We have two national holidays to rub it in the face of the Native Americans, and there is also team names like the Redskins. We make a mockery of Natives here in America, and as this thread showed, we tend to want to sweep it under the rug so we can feel better about ourselves.
We live in a messed up society. At least someone out there realizes that.
The number of Native Americans offended by the "Redskins" name is virtually nil. And you think anybody wants to give up a holiday for the sake of political correct BS?
People conquer and are conquered, such as the nature of human history. Do you think the Native American nations never fought and conquered each other? Quit being so naive.
The number of Native Americans offended by the "Redskins" name is virtually nil. And you think anybody wants to give up a holiday for the sake of political correct BS?
People conquer and are conquered, such as the nature of human history. Do you think the Native American nations never fought and conquered each other? Quit being so naive.
I don't care if anyone is offended, the acceptance of the name makes no sense. Would people be okay if there was a team called the Philidelphia Darkskins with an African American mascot or the New York Yellow Skins with an Asian mascot? No, because it would be considered over the top and offensive. The media would go crazy jumping on those teams. So, why is it okay to do it to just one type of people? Why is okay to celebrate the "face" of the new world that lead to a culture's destruction, and why is okay to celebrate the tactics used to destroy a culture? It wouldn't be okay if the Germans did that to the Jews. Why is it okay to do it to the Natives every year? Why does no one care about that group of people?
These are the questions we need to ask. It's stupid that we will talk actions and slurs down, except when it comes to one culture.
Guest_Master of Gundams_*
Ugh.
This is getting nowhere real fast.
Yeah, I'm not going to derail this further. I just wanted my point to be made clear. It just seems to be a basic breakdown in the normal etiquette that society seems to follow. If we are going to treat everyone with decency, then we should treat everyone with decency.
Anyways, I'm off my soapbox.
Try to understand when I'm joking next time. Which is about 80% of the time. Contrary to popular belief I hate arguing with people.Ugh.
This is getting nowhere real fast.
This exchange was irritating. But I can't fault you for speaking a smll bit of truth Hanar.It just seems to be a basic breakdown in the normal etiquette that society seems to follow. If we are going to treat everyone with decency, then we should treat everyone with decency.
I don't care if anyone is offended, the acceptance of the name makes no sense. Would people be okay if there was a team called the Philidelphia Darkskins with an African American mascot or the New York Yellow Skins with an Asian mascot? No, because it would be considered over the top and offensive. The media would go crazy jumping on those teams. So, why is it okay to do it to just one type of people? Why is okay to celebrate the "face" of the new world that lead to a culture's destruction, and why is okay to celebrate the tactics used to destroy a culture? It wouldn't be okay if the Germans did that to the Jews. Why is it okay to do it to the Natives every year? Why does no one care about that group of people?
These are the questions we need to ask. It's stupid that we will talk actions and slurs down, except when it comes to one culture.
I don't care if you accept the name or you don't, you don't own the team and you don't determine what others think about the team. It's downright amazing how crazy political activists care more about the issue than actual Native Americans! This is the real world, nobody cares about your delicate political sensibilities. Maybe you don't live here but we don't celebrate Thanksgiving by going around and murdering Native Americans. It isn't some celebration of their destruction. Nor was American expansionism even comparable to the coordinated genocide of the Jewish race.
Guest_greengoron89_*
Sorry folks, but you're the ones who opened the can of worms. Now you get to deal with what's inside. Thanksgiving was not, and never has been about the murder of Native Americans. It was a celebration with them of the harvest that year, which the Native Americans had helped with. The Plymouth colonists and the local tribes had good relations, and fighting did not start until other colonists started showing up. But it had nothing to do with Thanksgiving, so don't make it about that.
Okay so all of a sudden we now apparently have a black Friday in the UK, even though we don't even have thanksgiving. WTF? What's next, will July 4th be a national holiday?
No, i mean, you brought up a good point. We have two national holidays to rub it in the face of the Native Americans, and there is also team names like the Redskins. We make a mockery of Natives here in America, and as this thread showed, we tend to want to sweep it under the rug so we can feel better about ourselves.
We live in a messed up society. At least someone out there realizes that.
I actually got worked up because I was tired of my ancestors being made a mockery of, but sure, white guilt. Far be it for me to connect the feast and generous giving that was oh so similar to the colonists giving the Natives fatal diseases. I'm used to being treated as a joke whenever this comes up, though, so no skin off my nose. Nobody cares.
I actually got worked up because I was tired of my ancestors being made a mockery of, but sure, white guilt. Far be it for me to connect the feast and generous giving that was oh so similar to the colonists giving the Natives fatal diseases. I'm used to being treated as a joke whenever this comes up, though, so no skin off my nose. Nobody cares.
Personally I just don't take holidays that seriously *shrugs* At best they're just an extra day off work, at worst they are emotionally charged frustration for others. Pretty much every holiday I ever had growing up led to people fighting and getting angry with each other so I just sort of dislike them all... except maybe Halloween.
Personally I just don't take holidays that seriously *shrugs* At best they're just an extra day off work, at worst they are emotionally charged frustration for others. Pretty much every holiday I ever had growing up led to people fighting and getting angry with each other so I just sort of dislike them all... sept maybe Halloween
Yeah, I just have a chip on my shoulder. It's not even rooted in logic or maybe even reality. People shouldn't take what I say here too seriously. I know like I'm acting really butthurt right now. The frustration things like this caused for older members of my family just resonates with me. When you grow up seeing a holiday in a different way than everyone else, it can be hard to find someone who sees it the same way. That's why I got enthusiastic when I saw that particular post.
At any rate, the holidays are only really cool because there are days off. Sorry to everyone for being a melodramatic knob here. It's clear that sometimes there are certain thoughts to keep to oneself during certain times and at certain places. I got served by that picture pretty hard.
Yeah, I just have a chip on my shoulder. It's not even rooted in logic or maybe even reality. People shouldn't take what I say here too seriously. I know like I'm acting really butthurt right now. The frustration things like this caused for older members of my family just resonates with me. When you grow up seeing a holiday in a different way than everyone else, it can be hard to find someone who sees it the same way. That's why I got enthusiastic when I saw that particular post.
At any rate, the holidays are only really cool because there are days off. Sorry to everyone for being a melodramatic knob here. It's clear that sometimes there are certain thoughts to keep to oneself during certain times and at certain places. I got served by that picture pretty hard.
This is something I get all too well. I have opinions on certain holidays that would probably have people tearing into me long before I even got a chance to explain why I feel that way, so much so that I wouldn't even talk about openly on these forums just cause the frustration that would come from the responding posts just wouldn't be worth it. Holidays mean different things to different people, and the significance that someone places on a day and why changes drastically for some.
The number of Native Americans offended by the "Redskins" name is virtually nil. And you think anybody wants to give up a holiday for the sake of political correct BS?
In our language we call African People "Blackskins", White People "Whiteskins", Asians "Yellowskins" and American Natives "Redskins". They're not considered racist at all.
Guest_Master of Gundams_*
Are we seriously still going over this?
This thread is irreverent anyway.
Guest_greengoron89_*
The European colonists did not "give" the Natives diseases in the sense you seem to be implying. These diseases were beyond the understanding of the people of the time and they did not have the proper knowledge and treatments to prevent or cure such ailments. The Europeans had already built immunities to them but the Natives had not so it took a deadly toll. It is regrettable that it happened but there was nothing that could be done once the ships hit the shores, and it was not intentional on the colonists' part anymore than it was when the bubonic plague came to Europe from Asia a few centuries earlier.
And it is still not relevant to the feast at Plymouth colony all the same. It is only retroactively made so due to the bitter conflicts that took place later.
Now I'm talking about the historical basis for Thanksgiving here. What the holiday means to me is just a day for the family to get together, give thanks to the people and things in life that matter, and have a damn good meal. I suspect that's what it means to most people who aren't hellbent on spoiling American traditions as seems to be a popular activity these days. But I will stick to it no matter how unpopular it might become to do so.
Are we seriously still going over this?
This thread is irreverent anyway.
I did tell you not to go there. But you did.
Guest_Master of Gundams_*
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Thanks for the history lesson.
-Things we have learned.
Ignore Gundam's smart ass remarks.
History.
Now there's no need for this thread.
See you in the anime thread.
Guest_Master of Gundams_*
Turkey day is over anyway.
C'mon, we dare you. Lock this thread.
Guest_greengoron89_*
Or you could just stop replying. No one had posted anything for almost 12 hours before mybudgee and the topic was sinking slowly to page 2. I've already said my piece so I've got nothing more to add.
Or you could just stop replying. No one had posted anything for almost 12 hours before mybudgee and the topic was sinking slowly to page 2. I've already said my piece so I've got nothing more to add.
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Just eat the turkey, dude.
You guys are thinking too much.
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