A level 18 keeper joins as the 4th member. Everyone thinks yay, barriers ftw, let's go.
Keeper uses barrier once during the whole game 
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Please everybody, keepers are supports, nothing more. The other ranged classes are far better at damage.
Well I'll have to disagree that they are support and nothing more. Perhaps this keeper was just a bad keeper as you suggest or perhaps they were a fed up keeper that has a really tough time keeping barriers up when the rest of the team runs off at full speed to engage at every oppo.
I agree that the Keeper is best used to keep barriers replenished but after playing one to level 20, in most games it is a frustrating task simply because the rest of teams main goal is to out race each other to the next objective and not stick closer.
Ye I understand that, but none of us were racing, we waited for everyone to catch up and had great teamwork, except for the keeper.
Being fed up cus of other peoples mistakes is not something you should punish everyone for. In the end, you just hurt yourself anyway by wiping the whole team. And when there's only one melee in the team it shouldn't be hard to understand that he needs a barrier more than anyone else.
I disagree Keeper is support only, however support is (or can be) a huge role for the Keeper (and Elementalist too). Use that barrier efficiently to keep front line mates covered.
That said, also use debuff and attack powers to add to the overall attack.
For myself, I use my mages for both support and attack, but support is a priority to me, attack secondary.
I agree with both points. Keepers need to "Keep". I have played so many matches where I switch from Keeper to Lego or Assassin for class balance and the existing Level 10+ Keeper seems to only cast Barrier infrequently, on themselves only or not at all. However, I have also played with Keepers who run Support / CC/ Attack hybrids, who only Barrier when needed and manage to still help out. Had the same experience with party members running ahead, especially Reaper and Katari for some reason, not using abilities to close, just dragging the party through the map, past pots and class doors all the way... <sigh> It's hard out there to be an Elf.
I totally ear what yer sayin'!!
A level 18 keeper joins as the 4th member. Everyone thinks yay, barriers ftw, let's go.
Keeper uses barrier once during the whole game
Please everybody, keepers are supports, nothing more. The other ranged classes are far better at damage.
I was wondering when a thread like this would pop up.... Lol.
Just had a pug where my teammates were talking in some weird gobbledegook and only occasionally shouted "For the Emperor!" while charging at the enemy in such a way that I could never give more than one of them barrier. After they all went down I had to solo the rest of the last room by kiting them to the health fountain and back. Needless to say we wiped on stage 5.
Keeper is such a thankless position when you're playing with pugs. I'd rather play AW and not give a crap about teammates and barrier casting.
barriers do not make a class a support class. By your crazy logic an elementalist is a support class.
that said.....if you have a team that can murder, a full on support keeper is a god. complete beast on perilous.
It's not just the barrier, but also the CC. Those two things help out most groups a lot more than a dps keeper. Also, people here seem to think support is a negative term :/
cast barrier
cast chain lightning
autoattack until one of the above are ready to cast again
it's not rocket medicine
i hope for their sake no rockets get hurt in the line of duty and need medical attention.cast barrier
cast chain lightning
autoattack until one of the above are ready to cast again
it's not rocket medicine
Wish more Keepers would get Static Cage and Disruption Field because those are absolutely amazing on Perilous. Instead of spamming Barrier, you really should be casting it right before entering combat and then on those who are getting focused once it comes off cooldown in combat.
As others have noted, playing a Keeper is about far more than just casting Barrier. I admit that casting it once seems a bit selfish but then again I think you may be exaggerating for effect. Still, I have played with Keepers that do not Barrier often but as long as I am covered when things go poorly I don't really mind if they have it active on me when things are going well.
Wish more Keepers would get Static Cage and Disruption Field because those are absolutely amazing on Perilous. Instead of spamming Barrier, you really should be casting it right before entering combat and then on those who are getting focused once it comes off cooldown in combat.
Static Cage is great but also a massive mana sink so if you aren't used to it, it can put the Keeper too low mana for Casting Barrier.
I only use Static Cage when the situation calls for it, otherwise I'll stick to Barrier > Chain Lightning > AA until One of the CDs comes up.
Alao correct use of Barrier is pre-emptively while in combat. You want to squeeze every precious drop out of it, good keeping requires a keen eye.
I'm tempted to go the stone fist route on my next Keeper Prestige that thing is disgustingly mana efficient and has a nice short cool down.
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