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[Hanako Ikezawa]

No.  The writer's SOL because I'm not romancing her lame character. 

Not really. The writer wanted to do something different and that has received mostly positive feedback from the fanbase. 

 

 

You would never need zero options. Just make the sex scene player-triggered.

Still has three main problems. 

 

1) Players would have unequal content, thus defeating the purpose of the character being ambiguous on how physically involved she and the Inquisitor are so everyone has equal content. 

2) The sex scene would remove another scene from her romance since there is only so many resources available.

3) Potentially could be seen as the character forcing themselves on a character. 

[prosthetic soul]

Not really. The writer wanted to do something different and that has received mostly positive feedback from the fanbase. 

 

citation needed

[EmperorSahlertz]

No.  The writer's SOL because I'm not romancing her lame character. 

I'm sure that is a blow they will never recover from.

[prosthetic soul]

B-but....we have to appeal TO EVERYONE.  WE HAVE TO APPEAL TO THE ASEXUALS.

 

Please.  This is rubbish. 

[Xilizhra]

Not really. The writer wanted to do something different and that has received mostly positive feedback from the fanbase. 

Rest assured that I'll do all I can to change this.

 

 

Still has three main problems. 

 

1) Players would have unequal content, thus defeating the purpose of the character being ambiguous on how physically involved she and the Inquisitor are so everyone has equal content. 

2) The sex scene would remove another scene from her romance since there is only so many resources available.

3) Potentially could be seen as the character forcing themselves on a character. 

1. It's fundamentally unequal. Those who don't want sex are wholly satisfied, those who do aren't. This is much less equal than my alternative.

2. The duel would have been trivial to implement as a fight that involved no special animation whatsoever.

3. How, any more than any romance?

[EmperorSahlertz]

B-but....we have to appeal TO EVERYONE.  WE HAVE TO APPEAL TO THE ASEXUALS.

 

Please.  This is rubbish. 

So, from what I understand, the lack of nude bewbs, is what make her a lame character, yes?

[Xilizhra]

So, from what I understand, the lack of nude bewbs, is what make her a lame character, yes?

Poorly constructed romance, at least.

[AresKeith]

Rest assured that I'll do all I can to change this.

 

How about we dont try to dictate people's feedback

[EmperorSahlertz]

Poorly constructed romance, at least.

So it is the lack of nudity?

 

Had that cuddle scene been in the nude, it would have been a-okay?

[naddaya]

Poorly constructed romance, at least.

 

If they didn't show the actual sex scene but the aftermath, and implied sex, would it be any better?

[Hellion Rex]

B-but....we have to appeal TO EVERYONE.  WE HAVE TO APPEAL TO THE ASEXUALS.

 

Please.  This is rubbish. 

No, what I find to be rubbish is your ridiculous belief that a character is lessened because she won't bang your character on screen for your enjoyment.

[Xilizhra]

How about we dont try to dictate people's feedback

Yes, how about we don't.

 

 

So it is the lack of nudity?

 

Had that cuddle scene been in the nude, it would have been a-okay?

As it stands, probably not, on both sides. However, I've repeatedly stated how I believe the intent of this romance could have been preserved and satisfied far more people.

[Xilizhra]

If they didn't show the actual sex scene but the aftermath, and implied sex, would it be any better?

It would be an improvement, provided that they included the buildup.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

B-but....we have to appeal TO EVERYONE.  WE HAVE TO APPEAL TO THE ASEXUALS.

 

Please.  This is rubbish. 

It is also there for heterosexual men, bisexual men, bisexual women, and homosexual women who don't like to jump in the sack with someone they've known for only a few months. 

 

 

Rest assured that I'll do all I can to change this.

 

 

1. It's fundamentally unequal. Those who don't want sex are wholly satisfied, those who do aren't. This is much less equal than my alternative.

2. The duel would have been trivial to implement as a fight that involved no special animation whatsoever.

3. How, any more than any romance?

You won't. She expressed that she is glad she did it and feels that having a sex scene shown would go against the romance. The animator and voice actress also express this. 

 

1) Everyone is the same. There is no more saying they don't have sex than there is saying they do. It is equal for everyone.

2) Defeats the purpose of the scene. Why would Josephine fear for your safety thus try to seek out ways to annul the engagement so you can be together if you could just zap the guy with magic for example?

3) In most romances, it is the other character who brings it up not the player. The player then agrees to it and it happens. 

[EmperorSahlertz]

As it stands, probably not, on both sides. However, I've repeatedly stated how I believe the intent of this romance could have been preserved and satisfied far more people.

It already satisfied most people. The outliers are not a concern.

[naddaya]

It would be an improvement, provided that they included the buildup.

 

Well, that wouldn't have been hard to animate. Optional scene triggered by the player, a few kisses, fade to black, aftermath cuddling, ta da. I can't think of any reason for them to make it specifically ambiguous, even if I'm alright with it.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

If they didn't show the actual sex scene but the aftermath, and implied sex, would it be any better?

No, it would have destroyed what they were going for with her. 

[prosthetic soul]

No, what I find to be rubbish is your ridiculous belief that a character is lessened because she won't bang your character on screen for your enjoyment.

It's not really about that.  At all.  Although, do please continue with your holier-than-thou attitude.  It's amusing. 

[AresKeith]

And now the thread is being uncivil 

[prosthetic soul]

And now the thread is being uncivil 

We have you to thank for that. 

[Xilizhra]

You won't. She expressed that she is glad she did it and feels that having a sex scene shown would go against the romance. The animator and voice actress also express this.

She isn't the one I have to convince. Unless we go for a DLC; however, they weren't entirely opposed to a sex scene if the resources had been present.

 

 

1) Everyone is the same. There is no more saying they don't have sex than there is saying they do. It is equal for everyone.

2) Defeats the purpose of the scene. Why would Josephine fear for your safety thus try to seek out ways to annul the engagement so you can be together if you could just zap the guy with magic for example?

3) In most romances, it is the other character who brings it up not the player. The player then agrees to it and it happens. 

1. Again, completely unequal. You have your whole experience, we have a neutered one.

2. Because people are dangerous even when you can fight them with magic? Maybe he's a former templar. Maybe he's a Red Templar and the stakes suddenly shoot up.

3. Then let it be different here, if this romance was already supposed to be different.

 

 

Well, that wouldn't have been hard to animate. Optional scene triggered by the player, a few kisses, fade to black, aftermath cuddling, ta da. I can't think of any reason for them to make it specifically ambiguous, even if I'm alright with it.

Indeed.

 

 

And now the thread is being uncivil 

Not from me.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Now what CAN be said about this whole ordeal, is that choosing Josephine specifically as the romance to appeal to asexuals, might not have been completely considerate of the writers. Josephine is half of the available romances for both hetero males, and homosexual females.

If they had to "experiment" with the romances, they could probably have done so with male npc romance option camp, since there are a far larger sample size there, than in the opposite camp.

 

That being said, there are no skin off our teeth either way at the end of the day. If you don't like a romance, dont go for it. If you don't like ANY of the romances, then don't go for any. Simple really, when you think about it.

[The Goodjerk]

After reading most of comments, two thoughts crossed my mind:

 

• imagine if Bioware release in the patch and one of the fixed issues are the missing sex scenes
• sad that the hottest (IMO) girl in the game is not so 'hot' in the end.

I'm not saying it is mandatory, but the sex scenes made the difference (DA/ME series) from other games from not being that naive.

 

Seems like I'll have to look into the Wticher for those.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

She isn't the one I have to convince. Unless we go for a DLC; however, they weren't entirely opposed to a sex scene if the resources had been present.

Actually, Bioware is the one you have to convince. The few people angry that they don't get to see Josie naked are not even close and never will be close to the lash out Bioware has gotten about other things, and those things weren't changed because Bioware wants to tell the stories that Bioware wants to tell. So if they want to do another romance like Josephines, which more people have expressed a want than those who don't want, they will do it. 

 

 

1. Again, completely unequal. You have your whole experience, we have a neutered one.

2. Because people are dangerous even when you can fight them with magic? Maybe he's a former templar. Maybe he's a Red Templar and the stakes suddenly shoot up.

3. Then let it be different here, if this romance was already supposed to be different.

1) Both sides have to use their imagination to think what happened after the scenes fade to black. It is equal. Plus those who want sex have had it as an unavoidable part in every romance for years. That is what was unequal. If you want equal, then there should be three more LIs in DAI who are left ambiguous whether they have sex or not. 

2) Except he wasn't. Also he was the one being challenged so he gets to pick how the duel goes. 

3) The romance is already different, so there is no reason to make it more different. Especially when what you suggest would make it less different from the others.

 

 

Now what CAN be said about this whole ordeal, is that choosing Josephine specifically as the romance to appeal to asexuals, might not have been completely considerate of the writers. Josephine is half of the available romances for both hetero males, and homosexual females.

If they had to "experiment" with the romances, they could probably have done so with male npc romance option camp, since there are a far larger sample size there, than in the opposite camp.

 

That being said, there are no skin off our teeth either way at the end of the day. If you don't like a romance, dont go for it. If you don't like ANY of the romances, then don't go for any. Simple really, when you think about it.

She wasn't chosen specifically to appeal to asexuals. They are happy that is a byproduct, but that wasn't the reason they did it. Plus again there are millions of heterosexual and bisexual men or bisexual and homosexual women who don't have sex in their relationships for various reasons. It's for them as much as it is asexuals or demisexuals.  

[Former_Fiend]

I will say that while this bit of information about Josephine(her complete lack of romantic/sexual experience) makes her utterly unappealing to me as a romance option, it doesn't diminish my appreciation for her as a character. I find her quite pleasant and entertaining.