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[Xilizhra]

Actually, Bioware is the one you have to convince. The few people angry that they don't get to see Josie naked are not even close and never will be close to the lash out Bioware has gotten about other things, and those things weren't changed because Bioware wants to tell the stories that Bioware wants to tell. So if they want to do another romance like Josephines, which more people have expressed a want than those who don't want, they will do it. 

I understand your desire to demoralize me, but this won't stop me from giving feedback.

 

 

1) Both sides have to use their imagination to think what happened after the scenes fade to black. It is equal. Plus those who want sex have had it as an unavoidable part in every romance for years. That is what was unequal. If you want equal, then there should be three more LIs in DAI who are left ambiguous whether they have sex or not. 

2) Except he wasn't. Also he was the one being challenged so he gets to pick how the duel goes. 

3) The romance is already different, so there is no reason to make it more different. Especially when what you suggest would make it less different from the others.

1. Not in ten thousand years, and I'm extremely disappointed in your desire to take things away from me and mine.

2. He's a minor enough NPC that changing the story would have been trivial.

3. There's no reason not to either.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Not in ten thousand years, and I'm extremely disappointed in your desire to take things away from me and mine.

Yet you have no problem with you taking away the only romance that represents my lifestyle that Bioware has ever given. 

[Xilizhra]

Yet you have no problem with you taking away the only romance that represents my lifestyle that Bioware has ever given. 

I've never said such a thing. I've given you numerous options that would satisfy us both, from everything I could glean about your preferences. The only preference I can think of that I missed is you not actually knowing whether they had sex or not... and I have a solution for that too: choose to trigger a sex-scene or a romance scene that doesn't include sex, akin to the one we got.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I've never said such a thing. I've given you numerous options that would satisfy us both, from everything I could glean about your preferences. The only preference I can think of that I missed is you not actually knowing whether they had sex or not... and I have a solution for that too: choose to trigger a sex-scene or a romance scene that doesn't include sex, akin to the one we got.

You've said that both you want them to change Josephine's romance and if failing that that they never do one like her again. That's like me going around saying they should make a lesbian LI bisexual or at least never give another lesbian option again. And no, all your solutions are ones that benefit you while removing the point of the romance in the first place. 

[Xilizhra]

You've said that both you want them to change Josephine's romance and if failing that that they never do one like her again. That's like me going around saying they should make a lesbian LI straight or at least never give another lesbian option again. And no, all your solutions are ones that benefit you while removing the point of the romance in the first place. 

In every single suggestion that I've offered, I've included the chance of not having to have a sex scene. I've even included the chance of a special non-sexualized romance scene (and it might be less sexualized than the current one, with Josephine clearly feeling up a female Inquisitor). All I'm against is a romance where there can never be any sex scenes whatsoever.

[Vanth]

I've never said such a thing.

Are you being deliberately obtuse or do you just not get it? The point is that if they have sex at all, nevermind whether the player gets to watch it, it spoils the whole romance. So if they gave in to your desires we automatically don't have ours.

[Xilizhra]

Are you being deliberately obtuse or do you just not get it? The point is that if they have sex at all, nevermind whether the player gets to watch it, it spoils the whole romance. So if they gave in to your desires we automatically don't have ours.

And that strikes me as insane, because you wouldn't have to have sex if you didn't want to. It wouldn't even get you less content with my idea.

[EmperorSahlertz]

She wasn't chosen specifically to appeal to asexuals. They are happy that is a byproduct, but that wasn't the reason they did it. Plus again there are millions of heterosexual and bisexual men or bisexual and homosexual women who don't have sex in their relationships for various reasons. It's for them as much as it is asexuals or demisexuals.  

No it isn't what they went for. But that IS how it turned out.

 

And no matter how many don't have sex. There are MORE that do have sex in their relationships. And a larger percentage of the sex having crowd, was "hit" by the "experiment" being Josephine, than if say it had been Blackwall, Solas, Cullen or Bull.

 

Now as I said, this isn't really an issue, but it is a note worthy of consideration for future reference.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

In every single suggestion that I've offered, I've included the chance of not having to have a sex scene. I've even included the chance of a special non-sexualized romance scene (and it might be less sexualized than the current one, with Josephine clearly feeling up a female Inquisitor). All I'm against is a romance where there can never be any sex scenes whatsoever.

In every suggestion you offered, you eliminated the ambiguity of the relationship to a few variables in that. And if they did both a sex scene and not a sex scene as two choices, the romance as a whole would suffer due to that being at least a scene from elsewhere in the romance removed due to all the resources that would have to go in those, like the dialogues and the differing animations depending on the Inquisitor's race and gender. As for you being against a romance where there are no sex scenes altogether, you have six out of eight romances in DAI and several other Bioware games where sex scenes are mandatory. 

 

 

And that strikes me as insane, because you wouldn't have to have sex if you didn't want to. It wouldn't even get you less content with my idea.

Yes it would. Sex scene takes resources. A romance plot has finite resources. Therefore a sex scene must take resources from elsewhere in the romance, thus limiting the content of those who don't want it. 

 

 

No it isn't what they went for. But that IS how it turned out.

 

And no matter how many don't have sex. There are MORE that do have sex in their relationships. And a larger percentage of the sex having crowd, was "hit" by the "experiment" being Josephine, than if say it had been Blackwall, Solas, Cullen or Bull.

 

Now as I said, this isn't really an issue, but it is a note worthy of consideration for future reference.

Remember, they did this before they got the time extension that let Cullen and Solas be options. So back then there was only two options per orientation. Looking at it that way, it makes sense. 

[Ianamus]

Now what CAN be said about this whole ordeal, is that choosing Josephine specifically as the romance to appeal to asexuals, might not have been completely considerate of the writers. Josephine is half of the available romances for both hetero males, and homosexual females.

If they had to "experiment" with the romances, they could probably have done so with male npc romance option camp, since there are a far larger sample size there, than in the opposite camp.

 

That being said, there are no skin off our teeth either way at the end of the day. If you don't like a romance, dont go for it. If you don't like ANY of the romances, then don't go for any. Simple really, when you think about it.

 

I don't see Josephine's romance as being designed with asexual people specifically in mind, though. When Leliana hears that you have been flirting with Josephine she outright asks you "do you find Josephine attractive?" and while other options were available the one I chose had my Inquisitor say that he did. 

 

It definitely wasn't presented as a romance devoid of attraction. In fact it was brought up several times with the options I chose. 

 

I saw it more as being aimed at people who may not like more graphic scenes or wanted a romance that focused more on the romance side than the sexual side, and I think that's a sizeable group of people. 

[EmperorSahlertz]

Remember, they did this before they got the time extension that let Cullen and Solas be options. So back then there was only two options per orientation. Looking at it that way, it makes sense. 

I realize that, but they did get more time. Now I don't know enough about their development process, to claim that they had a hcance to change anything, but nevertheless I think it is an important thing to keep in mind for future installments. That is all I am saying.

 

I don't see Josephine's romance as being designed with asexual people specifically in mind, though. When Leliana hears that you have been flirting with Josephine she outright asks you "do you find Josephine attractive?" and while other options were available the one I chose had my Inquisitor say that he did. 

 

It definitely wasn't presented as a romance devoid of attraction. In fact it was brought up several times with the options I chose. 

 

I saw it more as being aimed at people who may not like more graphic scenes or wanted a romance that focused more on the romance side than the sexual side, and I think that's a sizeable group of people. 

Not specifically no, but it is the one that appeals most, since most of it is left open to interpretation.

[Former_Fiend]

I don't see Josephine's romance as being designed with asexual people specifically in mind, though. When Leliana hears that you have been flirting with Josephine she outright asks you "do you find Josephine attractive?" and while other options were available the one I chose had my Inquisitor say that he did. 

 

It definitely wasn't presented as a romance devoid of attraction. In fact it was brought up several times with the options I chose. 

 

I saw it more as being aimed at people who may not like more graphic scenes or wanted a romance that focused more on the romance side than the sexual side, and I think that's a sizeable group of people. 

 

I hardly found Cassandra's relationship to be lacking in romantic themes, what with the flowers, poetry, and candle light. Not that I'm complaining, mind you, just saying that Josephine's is hardly an alternative in that regard. 

[Xilizhra]

In every suggestion you offered, you eliminated the ambiguity of the relationship to a few variables in that. And if they did both a sex scene and not a sex scene as two choices, the romance as a whole would suffer due to that being at least a scene from elsewhere in the romance removed due to all the resources that would have to go in those, like the dialogues and the differing animations depending on the Inquisitor's race and gender. As for you being against a romance where there are no sex scenes altogether, you have six out of eight romances in DAI and several other Bioware games where sex scenes are mandatory. 

Dialogue wouldn't be hard, and the non-sex one wouldn't need to require any difficult animation.

 

Also, the last sentence is completely incorrect. I have one romance in DAI, and that with a horribly incompatible character.

 

 

I saw it more as being aimed at people who may not like more graphic scenes or wanted a romance that focused more on the romance side than the sexual side, and I think that's a sizeable group of people. 

There's no contradiction or conflict whatsoever between romance and sex.

[Hazegurl]

"If you don't put out, we can't be together!"

Yes, I can see how that's not shallow at all. That's my peeve with this.

And what is the big deal with that? It just means two people aren't sexually compatible and therefore each should move on. If a person thinks their partner is worth waiting for then they are free to wait, if they don't then why should they? Why are they a jerk or shallow for not waiting? Last time I checked, relationships involve two people, so why should one alone call all the shots? If someone isn't satisfied then it's best to end it.

[Ianamus]

 

There's no contradiction or conflict whatsoever between romance and sex.

 

That's fair enough. 

 

Personally I still found the explicit scenes too... awkward, for lack of a better word. Inquisition's are far better than Origins and Dragon Age 2's, but the character models still don't look 'right' enough for me to enjoy them as much as the romantic scenes which don't have the nudity.

 

I enjoyed Fenris's romance scenes the most in Dragon Age 2 for similar reasons. The kissing scene in Fenris's romance was so much better than any of the sex scenes in my eyes, and the couch scene with Josephine is the same. 

[Xilizhra]

 

 

 

That's fair enough. 

 

Personally I still found the explicit scenes too... awkward, for lack of a better word. Inquisition's are far better than Origins and Dragon Age 2's, but the character models still don't look 'right' enough for me to enjoy them as much as the romantic scenes which don't have the nudity.

 

I enjoyed Fenris's romance scenes the most in Dragon Age 2 for similar reasons. The kissing scene in Fenris's romance was so much better than any of the sex scenes in my eyes, and the couch scene with Josephine is the same. 

 

The couch scene is nice, but badly inadequate in my opinion.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

So... again, just include a skippable sex scene, and thus everyone can be happy.

 

But that might tarnish her Disney Princess reputation Xil...Most probably the best we can expect from her romance arc in the future is Josephine and the Inquisitor breaking out into a cringe-worthy romantic song....Disney style...

[prosthetic soul]

Yet you have no problem with you taking away the only romance that represents my lifestyle that Bioware has ever given. 

Except, it wouldn't be taking it away if there was an option to just have the romance but DECLINE THE SEX LIKE HE/SHE HAS BEEN TELLING YOU FOR THE PAST 20 POSTS. 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

People with differing opinions can never seem to get along, this thread proves that. Does it really matter that much if Josie has a sex scene or not? If you got one, some people would say they liked it without one, in the case that you do not get one, this case here, some people say they want one. There are romances with sex in the game and some without, the game is a good game, if you paid for the game and got annoyed because you felt you also paid for a sex scene then thats a bit silly. Do not bite the hand that feeds you, sex in this game exists, want it? Use another romance. Hate the other romances and still want animated sex? Use google.

 

Ah, and there it is, the premise of your arguments and opinions....We just have to obey and follow, feedback and personal thought matters not...

 

Sorry but some of us here do not like just obeying...we paid good money for a product and if it does not give what we want, we can complain about it..

[Bayonet Hipshot]

There are [more] options on the wheel from time to time that lead to another tree. You can pack more in.

 

Or you could make the sex scene player-triggered and remove all of those problems at a stroke.

 

But...but...that would go against her character as a pure virginal Disney princess of Thedas unique love interest !...So we have to conjure up things that make no sense such as pointless duels give more options to players....

[AresKeith]

But...but...that would go against her character as a pure virginal Disney princess of Thedas unique love interest !...So we have to conjure up things that make no sense such as pointless duels give more options to players....

 

Getting so hung up over a phrase 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Except, it wouldn't be taking it away if there was an option to just have the romance but DECLINE THE SEX LIKE HE/SHE HAS BEEN TELLING YOU FOR THE PAST 20 POSTS. 

 

But options do not matter...unless it is a non sexual one, then it is all good to go...

[Charcoal15]

Except, it wouldn't be taking it away if there was an option to just have the romance but DECLINE THE SEX LIKE HE/SHE HAS BEEN TELLING YOU FOR THE PAST 20 POSTS. 

Just so you know, using caps does not make your point more obvious, it just makes you sound somewhat bitter. Friendly advice and all that.

[prosthetic soul]

Just so you know, using caps does not make your point more obvious, it just makes you sound somewhat bitter. Friendly advice and all that.

Just so YOU know, poking holes in my typing mannerisms leads me to believe you have no more argument to offer in this little debate we got going here.  Friendly advice and all that. 

[Charcoal15]

Just so YOU know, poking holes in my typing mannerisms leads me to believe you have no more argument to offer in this little debate we got going here.  Friendly advice and all that. 

You are seriously trying your best to get worked up, did it cross your mind that maybe I was genuinely giving you some advice? Or are you attempting to be so offended that you ignored that?