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[Uccio]

Though I do think a lot of this hubbub would of been avoided if they included said content for something other than the two allocated romances for straight men, who have historically been pretty hard to please in the romances regard.

This is what I've been saying too. Asexuals and others who like that sort of thing should have had their own romance arc since devs deemed it to be important enough to happen.

But not at the expense of straight male gamers (or also lesbian players in this case).

This said with the idea that slight nudity/fade to black ala ME was not possible to add with skip option.

[Escariot]

Josephine doesn't have a sex *scene*, however I'm fairly confident that the Inquisitor and her are sleeping together and there is definitely a sexual implication when she follows you to your chambers, then the conversation occurs with her the next morning.

 

I like the subtlety. It doesn't need to be explicit, and that suits her character. It suits the relationship. It's fine that there is no nudity for us, the player, because it is very much so implied for us, the Inquisitor. I think that's a mature approach from Bioware's perspective.

 

I'm a *little* disappointed, but honestly I'm more disappointed that I get no where with that flirt, Scout Harding. "You've been reassigned, you're to be scouting out the mountains for Fennecs from Lavellan's balcony for one night".

[Xilizhra]

So because Josephine doesn't have sex with you in the game most people think she's asexual and never plans on having the relationship becoming physical.

 

Hmm. Perhaps I'm just misunderstanding a few people here but I think that something of a unfounded assumption your making. But, hey, if some people are going to discount an entire romantic story line because it doesn't end in sexual gratification that's their right to do so I suppose. 

Your implication that sex is somehow a shallow or unworthy thing to desire is no better than others attacking asexuals.

 

But not at the expense of straight male gamers (or also lesbian players in this case).

Well, not at the expense of anyone.

 

 

I like the subtlety. It doesn't need to be explicit, and that suits her character. It suits the relationship. It's fine that there is no nudity for us, the player, because it is very much so implied for us, the Inquisitor. I think that's a mature approach from Bioware's perspective.

I firmly disagree. I think that sex itself has enough emotional and roleplaying aspects that it should always be present assuming that, for certain characters, it can be skipped if one doesn't desire it. But the point being that it can be skipped, not that it always is.

[Uccio]

Well, not at the expense of anyone.

 

Yes that, just badly formed.

[Muspade]

Your implication that sex is somehow a shallow or unworthy thing to desire is no better than others attacking asexuals.

"If you don't put out, we can't be together!"

Yes, I can see how that's not shallow at all. That's my peeve with this.

[Xilizhra]

"If you don't put out, we can't be together!"

Yes, I can see how that's not shallow at all.

Well, I have little doubt that Josephine does, it's just not shown. But at any rate, yes; for me personally, I wouldn't see a romantic relationship as being complete without including sex. It doesn't have to be immediate or anything, but it is, to me, highly important.

[Tamyn]

Solas also doesn't have a sex scene. Yet nobody complains about that one.

 

We've complained. We just don't make a separate thread and beat our chests about it. For me, there are enough outside references by NPCs to satisfy my character's canon.

[AresKeith]

Are they big enough to warrant a market? Just as Bioware stated that gay relationship will never have more than straight relationship, like "putting the horse before the cart". I accepted that. Asexual is also a subset of either gay or straight, so the asexual romance will likely to replace the sexual romance from either one, and either groups will get upset because their sexual romance wasn't there. They tried it with Josephine, and that's why a lot of people are complaining about it. I personally would rather for them to make it an extra romance rather than counting it as part of the straight or gay romance if they really want to add the romance. 

 

Except Josephine isn't an asexual romance 

[EmperorSahlertz]

Are they big enough to warrant a market? Just as Bioware stated that gay relationship will never have more than straight relationship, like "putting the horse before the cart". I accepted that. Asexual is also a subset of either gay or straight, so the asexual romance will likely to replace the sexual romance from either one, and either groups will get upset because their sexual romance wasn't there. They tried it with Josephine, and that's why a lot of people are complaining about it. I personally would rather for them to make it an extra romance rather than counting it as part of the straight or gay romance if they really want to add the romance. 

Well.. If you REALLY want to look into the science of it, and the cold hard statistics, then it goes something like this:

90% (at least) of the worlds population are heterosexual, thus comprises the vast majority obviously. The remaining 10% (or less) are divided amongst ALL other sexualities you can think of, of which homosexuality/bisexuality (some studies lump these two together, since they can be difficult to verify from eachother) are the largest at around 8% roughly. Leaving ALL other sexualities (bestiality, necrophelia, pedophelia, asexuality and a truck load of others) to the last 2% of the worlds population.

Now when you look at it from a percentage point of view, it may not seem like much, but the 10% "other than hetero" still numbers over 700 million people, which is a sizable market. So I'd say that it is very valuable to try to create content for them (the legal ones at least.........).

 

Now what they did with Josephine is kind of having your cake and eating it too. Since sexual relations or not directly shown but implied. So if you want to, you can head-canon that it didn't happen, or that it did if you want to. However, since some of the other romances directly show the sexual relationship, some of the Josephine romancers who wanted the sex, feels "cheated" of it.

[Quaddis]

I felt that Josephine scenes are romantic and well done. This is actually little disturbing, peoples problem with not seeing her boobs. 
Just go watch some porn with some Hispanic actress or something. But please, don't complain to people that you dint get you imaginary sex here, its wird.

[Xilizhra]

I felt that Josephine scenes are romantic and well done. This is actually little disturbing, peoples problem with not seeing her boobs. 
Just go watch some porn with some Hispanic actress or something. But please, don't complain to people that you dint get you imaginary sex here, its wird.

I will continue this, and for reasons unrelated to a desire for porn, fear not.

[prosthetic soul]

Have you people forgotten Bioware's statements prior to them releasing the game? 

 

"Dragon Age's sex scenes will be mature and tasteful." 

 

Can you blame people for getting angry when Bioware keeps lying to our faces like this?  They say there will be sex scenes....and then there are no sex scenes.  The reasons for wanting a sex scene or not wanting a sex scene are irrelevant and inconsequential.  If you say there will be sex scenes in a game and there are none....that's called LYING. 

[AresKeith]

Have you people forgotten Bioware's statements prior to them releasing the game? 

 

"Dragon Age's sex scenes will be mature and tasteful." 

 

Can you blame people for getting angry when Bioware keeps lying to our faces like this?  They say there will be sex scenes....and then there are no sex scenes.  The reasons for wanting a sex scene or not wanting a sex scene are irrelevant and inconsequential.  If you say there will be sex scenes in a game and there are none....that's called LYING. 

 

Ummm there are sex scenes, just because all of the romances doesn't have one don't make that statement a lie

[prosthetic soul]

Ummm there are sex scenes, just because all of the romances doesn't have one don't make that statement a lie

So far I haven't seen any actual "Sex scenes."  Cassandra was a typical fade to black implied sex scene.  Sera's was more nudity and flailing about.  Haven't seen Dorian's so I Can't speak on that one.

[Pierce Miller]

There's a dialogue option with Josephine durig what pride had wrought that strongly implies sex, It's something along the lines of once this is done we'll be spending a lot of alone time together

[AresKeith]

So far I haven't seen any actual "Sex scenes."  Cassandra was a typical fade to black implied sex scene.  Sera's was more nudity and flailing about.  Haven't seen Dorian's so I Can't speak on that one.

 

Actually expecting full sex scenes

[prosthetic soul]

Well, at any rate, glad I saw this topic before I started another play through.  Won't bother to romance Jospehine now.  

 

Looks like we heteroys have only one good option in this game: Cassandra.  Oh well.   

[prosthetic soul]

Actually expecting full sex scenes

Witcher 2 did em in a way.  Sort of. 

[Former_Fiend]

"If you don't put out, we can't be together!"

Yes, I can see how that's not shallow at all. That's my peeve with this.

 

Physical passion and intimacy are very worthy goals. If one party desires it is no more fair for the other to deny them than it is for someone to demand it of someone who is unwilling or uninterested.

 

I'd never be in a relationship with someone who had no interest in sex because I believe that between two people who care for one another it's the closest you can be with one another, and among the best feelings in the world. That type of sex isn't shallow; it's deeply spiritual. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

You all know that having a romance that doesn't necessarily have sex doesn't just appease asexuals, right? There are hundreds of millions, if not billions, of people who do not have sex that soon after starting a relationship for various reasons. That includes tens of millions of heterosexual men, thus makes perfect sense to count as an option. 

[prosthetic soul]

You all know that having a romance that doesn't necessarily have sex doesn't just appease asexuals, right? There are hundreds of millions, if not billions, of people who do not have sex that soon after starting a relationship for various reasons. 

Sorry, but I don't believe in relationships without sex.  What's the bloody point?

[AresKeith]

Well, at any rate, glad I saw this topic before I started another play through.  Won't bother to romance Jospehine now.  
 
Looks like we heteroys have only one good option in this game: Cassandra.  Oh well.

 
<--- Is hetero and considers Josephine just as good of an option as Cassandra 
 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

Witcher 2 did em in a way.  Sort of.

 
Which looked stupid, outside of one scene

[prosthetic soul]

 
<--- Is hetero and considers Josephine just as good of an option as Cassandra 
 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

 
Which looked stupid, outside of one scene

That's like...your opinion man. 

[daveliam]

You all know that having a romance that doesn't necessarily have sex doesn't just appease asexuals, right? There are hundreds of millions, if not billions, of people who do not have sex that soon after starting a relationship for various reasons. That includes tens of millions of heterosexual men, thus makes perfect sense to count as an option. 

 

I feel like your statistics might not be accurate.  But I do agree that the romance is not intended only for asexuals or demisexuals. 

[Charcoal15]

Sorry, but I don't believe in relationships without sex.  What's the bloody point?

Love? Or did the fact that to people can love eachother a lot without being physical skip your mind?