Here we go again, this isn't about speedrun (which nobody done with this game yet) but a normal playthrough...
Definition of normal playthrough? I wager many of the whiners flew past the cut scenes, npc voice overs etc. which is a huge part of a story driven game.
Once again, all I shall say is determinist...
So question, does length equate quality?
Game quality? Not entirely. Story quality? You can bet it does...
Game quality? Not entirely. Story quality? You can bet it does...
How? example please.
Definition of normal playthrough? I wager many of the whiners flew past the cut scenes, npc voice overs etc. which is a huge part of a story driven game.
My first playthrough was 30 hours that involves sidequests to get power, dragon killing, a lot of companion conversations (none skipped, not even in story) and a bit of afking at Skyhold...
I'm sitting at 86 hours and I have yet to go to the ball, although I have completed the fade. My power is in the 130-something range. I think it depends on the kind of player you are. I'm a completionist, at least on the 1st playthrough. That said, I don't think reams of extra stuff really makes a better game. So far, I very much prefer DA2 to DAI and I don't know if that will change when I reach the end of DAI, but....I doubt it.
How? example please.
What example? It's obvious, a short good story is nowhere as good as a long good story.
What would you say if your favourite movie would be 20 minutes instead of 90-120?
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I'd say it wasnt a movie but a episode 
I'm sitting at 86 hours and I have yet to go to the ball, although I have completed the fade. My power is in the 130-something range. I think it depends on the kind of player you are. I'm a completionist, at least on the 1st playthrough. That said, I don't think reams of extra stuff really makes a better game. So far, I very much prefer DA2 to DAI and I don't know if that will change when I reach the end of DAI, but....I doubt it.
Or you have aged 10 years since Origins and just growing old of the franchise.
What example? It's obvious, a short good story is nowhere as good as a long good story.
What would you say if your favourite movie would be 20 minutes instead of 90-120?
I would say it's my favorite movie, and tell you why.
See, it is not obvious. Back up the claim. Give an example.
I'm sitting at 86 hours and I have yet to go to the ball, although I have completed the fade. My power is in the 130-something range. I think it depends on the kind of player you are. I'm a completionist, at least on the 1st playthrough. That said, I don't think reams of extra stuff really makes a better game. So far, I very much prefer DA2 to DAI and I don't know if that will change when I reach the end of DAI, but....I doubt it.
Are people even reading what this thread is about?
"But Mike Laidlaw was completely full of it when he said the game would take 50 hours if we ignored every sidequest."
Seems we have a definition Problem here
some say they did Main Story+ only nessesarry Side stuff and took 60h some say 30h
I honestly think Bioware didnt Lie.... but at the risk of making myself unpopular... I think anyone who takes less then 50h has kinda missed the point of the Game...
Its not like DA:O or DA2 where you relaitvly linear follow the Main Quest ... you explore the world... look for stuff..
Some Reviewer said it best "some people will completly missunderstand the Game because they dont understand that they need to slow down.. it is a game that needs your time to be fun... ALOT of your time but YOU have to invest it the Game wont do that for you"
Im not trying to tell anyone how to play... but i think this game is not great for people who run blindly from main quest to main quest... the Game is made for people who wanted Skyrim with a Party and a better cinematic Main Plot
also i am totally sure that Laidlaw said "our developers take around 50h doing mainly main mission"
but that does not mean that ANYONE will get GARANTIED 50h out of it..
if you are not one bit into exploring.. maybe its the wrong game for you
DAO can be completed in 35 minutes by speedrunners and I have never seen anyone complain that the dev lied about how long it takes to finish it...
Not really a good example since it takes exploiting and glitching through walls to achieve that.
Mass effect 1 though, have completed that game in less than 6 hours and could probably cut it down to 4-5 or so with some effort.
My first play through was 70+ hours and that included all areas and most side quests completed and finished with over 250 power spare. I've also killed all the dragons and collected all the shards, areas ,landmarks and spent huge amount time in Skyhold talking to everyone there making sure i didn't miss any companion quests or dialogue and made them all "loyal"/"Friends".
it was on normal though maybe it will take longer on hard or nightmare on my next play through but i enjoyed all time I spent, I do wish there was more content (due to how much i was enjoying it) but i cant complain about the length and I wish that I didn't kill all the dragons before the last mission, as my character reached level 24 at the end with inquisition level of 17.
But yeah main story felt like was 15-20ish
Not really a good example since it takes exploiting and glitching through walls to achieve that.
Mass effect 1 though, have completed that game in less than 6 hours and could probably cut it down to 4-5 or so with some effort.
i keep asking this yet no one really answers: why would you play a RPG this fast?
for most people RPGs are about immersing themselves in a world.. getting lost and spending as much time as they can in a great world... but some here seem to want it to be over quickly.. why??
i keep asking this yet no one really answers: why would you play a RPG this fast?
for most people RPGs are about immersing themselves in a world.. getting lost and spending as much time as they can in a great world... but some here seem to want it to be over quickly.. why??
I played Mass Effect within 20 hours several times, just to set up playthroughs for Mass Effect 2 and 3.
It was worth it then when I had the time. But that's about it.
Are people even reading what this thread is about?
"But Mike Laidlaw was completely full of it when he said the game would take 50 hours if we ignored every sidequest."
I read the entire thread before I posted, but people were comparing how many hours they put into it so I threw mine out there too. *shrug* The truth is, you CAN'T ignore every sidequest anyway, so it's a moot point. How else are you supposed to level up and gain power, as well as companions (who are necessary to the story IMO) if you don't do at least some sidequesting?
The answer: It totally depends on the player, so is therefore completely subjective. What takes you 5 hours may take me 25 etc. You can't play the main story and totally divorce from all side content in DAI is what I'm trying to say.
The OP is really silly to me, and just attempts to vilify Mike Laidlaw, so I think I will bow out of this thread.
i keep asking this yet no one really answers: why would you play a RPG this fast?
for most people RPGs are about immersing themselves in a world.. getting lost and spending as much time as they can in a great world... but some here seem to want it to be over quickly.. why??
When it comes to that particular game, pretty much all of the "exploration" content is dreadfully boring and drags on for nearly 20 hours, I have done it all when I wanted a 100% import for the other 2 in the franchise which was vastly better at that point but other than that i see no point to bothering with it. Not to hate on Mass Effect 1, its a great game but its main story is very short.
With DA:I, where I actually enjoyed the side content somewhat, I clocked in at 80 hours on nightmare mode a day back.
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Was actually surprised at how short the main quest is, although to be fair i did enjoy every bit of it from start to finish
Depends on whether you consider the companion quests to be "Story" or "Side". Also, kind of a meaningless statement because you can't ignore the side quests entirely. You need a hundred something power from somewhere. Not to mention the xp and crafting stuff to make good gear.
No you don't. The reason I stopped being depressed about the game is exactly because you can finish it very quickly, yeah when you start playing it seems like you have trouble getting power + exp + equip but no, you really don't (Morrigan'd), rifts and requisitions and you get to hundreds in no time. And you can find/forge armor good enough to complete the last mission, or just go Knight Enchanter and you don't even bother with it, you can start and finish the game with Solas/Cassandra/Varric
I would say it's my favorite movie, and tell you why.
See, it is not obvious. Back up the claim. Give an example.
It is if you are not biased.
Here are a some reasons why short stories are worse:
1. Not enough time to explore characters.
2. Not enough character progression.
4. Not enough closure of the plot arcs. Like the Venetori, we never even bothered to beat them directly...
3. Lastly the more the better isn't it? If the enjoyment lasts longer then it's better (Why do you think is good to last long in bed? Same reason)
I read the entire thread before I posted, but people were comparing how many hours they put into it so I threw mine out there too. *shrug* The truth is, you CAN'T ignore every sidequest anyway, so it's a moot point. How else are you supposed to level up and gain power, as well as companions (who are necessary to the story IMO) if you don't do at least some sidequesting?
The answer: It totally depends on the player, so is therefore completely subjective. What takes you 5 hours may take me 25 etc. You can't play the main story and totally divorce from all side content in DAI is what I'm trying to say.
The OP is really silly to me, and just attempts to vilify Mike Laidlaw, so I think I will bow out of this thread.
And still even if you count the necessary sidequests to progress further in the main story it won't be 50 hours on average, not even close. (more like 25 hours)
About some players needing 5 hours, other 25....well, I'm sure there are also some players who will need 100 hours. So why didn't he say the main story is 100 hours long? I'm sure there are some people claiming they needed that long. If he want's to be honest he has to give a realistic and average playtime and not the playtime of the slowest player out there.I wouldn't even call his statement an exaggeration. It's a straight lie.
And still even if you count the necessary sidequests to progress further in the main story it won't be 50 hours on average, not even close. (more like 25 hours)
About some players needing 5 hours, other 25....well, I'm sure there are also some players who will need 100 hours. So why didn't he say the main story is 100 hours long? I'm sure there are some people claiming they needed that long. If he want's to be honest he has to give a realistic and average playtime and not the playtime of the slowest player out there.I wouldn't even call his statement an exaggeration. It's a straight lie.
No its not.. its just an statement how long people from Bioware needed to play what HE THINKS as "main quest" that doesnt mean he purposly lied in any way
he propably said that with clear consiousness and best intention... there is NO way you know before releasing the Game how long Player x or y will need
as we are seeing here there is anything from 15 to 80 hours ... it seems there is no exact number everyone feels different about it.. so does Mike.. hes human too you know?
Honestly, this would all be solved by doubling the power requirement of the last two missions from 20 and 40 to 40 and 80.
Bam! "Core story" now needs 70+ hour investment, and makes the ludicrously over-populated side-content meaningful.
This is the biggest improvement you could make to the game.
I LOVE the content, and have completed most of it in my 98 hour playthrough- but with a constant niggling sense of just kicking around the place for no reason. Approached the endgame with 100+ power for no purpose and dispiritedly kicked off the last mission.
Tying power requirements to a difficulty level at the start of the game could solve this. Would be easy to implement (I imagine but can't be sure of course). Golly, I hope that's a possibility.
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