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[House Lannister]

DAO can be completed in 35 minutes by speedrunners and I have never seen anyone complain that the dev lied about how long it takes to finish it...

How is that even possible?

[Moondoggie]

If you know exactly what to do you can finish something like Skyrim or Fallout 3 in a couple hours it's the same with all of these games but the point is the exploration and finding new quests that's the fun of the game. If you do absolutely everything possible and explore everywhere you can get 100+ hours out of the game. Skyrim probably double that. Does it really matter how quickly the main story quest can be finished when you were given a world to explore,characters to meet and Dragons to slay and so on?

[Moondoggie]

How is that even possible?

 

Glitches and exploits mostly using tools to assist them. There is a whole community online for pro speed runners some of the stuff they pull off is pretty amazing. Skyrim can be done in about the same amount of time.

[berrieh]

Can I just say I find it amusing that 7 pages in, still no one has found this quote where Mike Laidlaw supposedly lied to us? 

 

Restarting can fix the bug? At one point I had to pull out the power-cord, because the skip convo bit stopped working too. And the menu button on the controller didn't respond anymore either. Fun times.

 

The warden storyline is the one I am having the most issues with too. When I meet Stroud and Hawke in the desert. It really kicks in there.

 

Waiting fixed that bug for me. I was all freaked out about it, but then I just waited about a minute, and it continued smoothly and my game never did it again. I had gotten it and used "Skip" in some Dorian scenes before that. I only thought to wait because I read it worked for lots of others on Reddit. 

 

There isn't 150-200 hours worth of content here though like was mentioned in the previews unless you replay. If I really want to do everything outside of finish the game on nightmare it would take about 80-90 hours ish. I reckon.

 

Origins took about 30 hours, DA2 took about 20 maybe a bit more.

 

How?

 

You don't read everything, do you? Maybe that makes up some of the difference. Because my playthrough where I finished, I took about 75 hours and while I did almost 100% the Hinterlands and the Storm Coast, I didn't even set foot in 5 zones (briefly went to Emprise, only for Blackwall's artifacts, did most of Fallow Mire, and went to the Western only for the story stuff). And that was on Casual with basically never dying. I couldn't imagine doing everything in 80-90 hours, but I stop and read every piece of text that pops up, listen to the songs, etc. I could easily see a 100% playthrough being 150 hours or more. 

[Julia Luna]

How is that even possible?

It is not. But some stupid people does not realize we are not talking about cheating we are talking about doing the main quest line, complete without exploits, cheats, hacks or anything else. If you follow only the main quest line DAi is very small, smaller than DAO. It is not a competition about how fast the game can be beaten it is about the lack of main story content (ehich is a big problem since everything besides the main story is crappy content).

[AlanC9]

If you follow only the main quest line DAi is very small, smaller than DAO.

But that kind of goes with the territory of an open-world game. The way you make the game open is to break more content out of the main quest and put it into sidequests.

I'm not really a fan of the design approach, but it's not like Bio didn't tell us that they were going this route with DAI.

[Abaddon_86]

What? Dishonest?

 

They successfully stretched 30 to (with good will) 40 hours of quality content to 70 to 100 hours by utilizing infamous MMORPG tactics like increasing the map size by an unreasonable factor of 3 or 4, use a as confusing as possible map design (frikkin mountains and the paths to cross them!) and combine it with an equally confusing radar, include a shitload of fetch quest (with higher than usual requirements to finish, e.g. get 1 keys, not just 3 to open that door)... these kind of infamous tactics, you know, which they are well experienced by now thanks to SWTOR (which was my first and last MMORPG btw).

 

I don't see how anyone could possibly call that 'lying' or 'being dishonest'.

[Fearsome1]

I wouldn't call him a liar either. His opinion of what portion of the game consitutes a minimum playthrough just might be different from anyone elses, but sure, go ahead and make up your very own - personal - theory built upon the assumption that the guy is LYING??

[TheRealJayDee]

Can I just say I find it amusing that 7 pages in, still no one has found this quote where Mike Laidlaw supposedly lied to us? 

 

For your convenience I'll repost the stuff from the last page (which took about 5-10 minutes to dig up):

 

 

The part in question starts at 10:27, but I'll repost the quote as well:

 

There is kind of a fast way through it. If all you wanna do is just story, story, story, and you wanna just kind of optimize for that... I don't know, 50?

[Kleon]

Troll Age: Fetchquisition

 

Embard on an epic tedious journey as a leader of fetch organization. Perform fetch quests in many unnecessarily vast regions. The game is ful of vast open and empty spaces for you to explore while being knocked of a mount by mobs spawning randomly. Fetchqusition is a huge improvement over Troll Wallet 2 where enemies were dropping from the sky, now they appeart right in front of you, from nowhere. 

 

Enjoy hours of pointless running around to find numerous pointless items with amazingly annoying radar ability.

 

Troll Age: Fetchquisition offers over 120 hours of fetch quests and 20 hours of story. 

[berrieh]

For your convenience I'll repost the stuff from the last page (which took about 5-10 minutes to dig up):

 

 

The part in question starts at 10:27, but I'll repost the quote as well:

 

Sorry, I didn't see that - maybe because of the vid (usually skip those posts). Honestly didn't see that, was looking for where people had quoted it. Based on just the context you've posted here, I don't see a "lie." I feel like my first run was story, story, story (besides collecting a few shards in the Hinterlands, almost everything I did was story-based and I didn't even go to half the areas) and it was almost 70 hours. So 50 sounds about right - assuming story also means having companion conversations and reading Codex entries (which to me is all story). Definitely didn't see where it said without any side quests in what you pulled out. 

[TheRealJayDee]

Sorry, I didn't see that - maybe because of the vid (usually skip those posts). Honestly didn't see that, was looking for where people had quoted it. Based on just the context you've posted here, I don't see a "lie." I feel like my first run was story, story, story besides collecting a few shards in the Hinterlands, and it was almost 70 hours. So 50 sounds about right - assuming story also means having companion conversations and reading Codex entries (which to me is all story). Definitely didn't see where it said without any side quests in what you pulled out. 

 

No problem.  Yup, he didn't say exactly what people say he did with the side quests. 

[Father_Jerusalem]

There is kind of a fast way through it. If all you wanna do is just story, story, story, and you wanna just kind of optimize for that... I don't know, 50?

 

So, taking a half hearted guess of "I don't know, 50?" means - to some people - that he's making an absolute statement that there is EXACTLY 50 HOURS OF CONTENT IN THE MAIN QUEST and that if you complete it in 49 hours that OMGZ BIOWAREZ LIED TO US ALL AND THEY SUCK AND ARE EEEEEVIL.

 

Got it.

 

BSN = still a cesspool. Just in case anyone was wondering.

[Keithian]

Troll Age: Fetchquisition

 

Embard on an epic tedious journey as a leader of fetch organization. Perform fetch quests in many unnecessarily vast regions. The game is ful of vast open and empty spaces for you to explore while being knocked of a mount by mobs spawning randomly. Fetchqusition is a huge improvement over Troll Wallet 2 where enemies were dropping from the sky, now they appeart right in front of you, from nowhere. 

 

Enjoy hours of pointless running around to find numerous pointless items with amazingly annoying radar ability.

 

Troll Age: Fetchquisition offers over 120 hours of fetch quests and 20 hours of story. 

Childishly call it whatever you like. I don't agree. To me its the most additive game I have seen since Skyrim and I feel totally immersed in the world. Go figure. I would suspect most not in these forums agree since the user reviews on the PS4 store which are now in the thousands give it almost a full 5 stars. Maybe you and others whining in this thread are the vocal minority, along with the other useless bashing in the metacritic user reviews.

[Avejajed]

I was at about sixty hours and the only real sidequests I did were camps for power, companion quests, and anything I happened to do accidentally on the way to a main quest.

[azarhal]

How is that even possible?

 

Explained here.

[RVallant]

Are people even reading what this thread is about?

"But Mike Laidlaw was completely full of it when he said the game would take 50 hours if we ignored every sidequest."

 

I got to Skyhold at 60hours, that was with all sidequests completed. I tracked the time to do the main quests up to that point;

 

Haven, Val Royeux and Champions of the Just + Haven finale = 7 hours, at a slow pace, so slow, I missed only one codex entry (boo!)

 

Champs of Just = 3 hours, Haven Finale 2-3 hours (but then there's that epic damn cutscene afterwards), Val Royeux is literally 5 minutes if you don't bother with Viv and Sera and the start is easily an hour if you know what you're doing, less if you definitely know it inside out.

 

I can't imagine the last few quests are going to be 10+ each.

[Potatoespotate]

Completing the game in a sensible way (doing a few side quests, as well as most of the companion quests) it took me ~35 hours to complete. I'm pretty happy about that. I didn't even go to Emprise Du Lion the first playthrough and that has a ton of stuff in it, I also only got 1 keep, didn't kill any dragons etc.

[MadMaximoff]

Speed runner ran with either an Knight Enchanter or Reaver on the easiest difficulty more than likely.

 

I'm 40+ hours in, still not finished just taking it a day at a time and enjoying what the game has to offer, just because you blitzed it down on the easiest difficulty doesn't mean that Bioware were lying.

[suliabryon]

OMG, seriously. What, do people just delight in trying to prove the developers wrong? Plus, he didn't "promise" anything in that article. He made a guess, based on what he thought would be necessary to complete the main quest (which includes, as others have pointed out, needing some side missions for Power etc., and may include Companion quests.)

 

There is a ton of content. YMMV, based on what you consider important to the main quest. If your idea of a fun time is blazing through as fast as you can, utilizing as little content as you can, well, to each their own I guess. I just don't see how that makes for a good RPG experience in any game. Might as well go play something like Assassin's Creed, instead. Me, I am with MadMaximoff above - almost 40 hours in, maybe a bit over half done, taking my time and having a lot of fun while I'm at it.

[xkg]

Never look at speed runners for playthrough time. Speed running is all about taking all the shortcuts and using all of the glitches and bugs (but not cheats, mind you).

 

If you want to look at average/min/max  time to finish the game on various platforms, this site would be a better idea:

(linking it directly to DAI, you can browse for other games)

http://www.howlongto...me.php?id=11627

 

Btw, I thought they said the main story alone is 20-40 hours. That's what Cameron Lee hinted in this interview:

http://www.polygon.c...ition-long-game

[aries1001]

If you, like me, very much likes to play adventure games (like Sherlock Holmes games), you'd know that these games range from maybe 5-6 hours to 10 or at most 20 hours played. And all of these adventure games are great, I find. So, no, game length these days doesn't necessarily equals quality. Or I could quote what my professor at university sad: "Much rubbish can be written in 100 pages, twice as much rubbish can be written in 200 pages." And he said it with this in the eyes. Just to clarify that no, length in a game, book, or novel doesn't mean quality. A good story can be written in say 500 words or 100-120 pages, a good main story in game can be told in 15-20 hours or in 20-25 hours. 

On topic, though: The main story in this game is - becoming the inquisitor, finding out who's responsible for the big bad rift in the sky, defeat him or her, choose sides between the mages and the templars - at least that's what I would think after reading the info her on BSN. And this would take ? - maybe - 20-25 hours, if you just do the main story in this game....
 

[aries1001]

For those of you complaining about boring sidequests or lots and lots of fetch quest, please go play DA:O again. The chanter's board, the mages's board, the blackstone irregulars all have quests which I would label af fetch quests. Go bring me 10 potions of lyrium, bring 10 deep mushrooms to the chantry, go find out what happened to the caravan, etc. etc. etc. Also, plese remember that before there were MMO's, there were Baldur's Gate and BG2. These two games also had fetch quests. IN BG1 there's even a fetch quest where you get two wash some pantaloons, and you need to find (fetch) a ring for lady etc. etc. IN BG2 there are similar fetch quest. And they are in the game in order for the player to learn the ropes of the game and earn experience points and grow stronger.

[CrazyRah]

So, taking a half hearted guess of "I don't know, 50?" means - to some people - that he's making an absolute statement that there is EXACTLY 50 HOURS OF CONTENT IN THE MAIN QUEST and that if you complete it in 49 hours that OMGZ BIOWAREZ LIED TO US ALL AND THEY SUCK AND ARE EEEEEVIL.

 

Got it.

 

BSN = still a cesspool. Just in case anyone was wondering.

 

The BSN is famous for grabbing whatever it can and blow it up to the most ridiculous proportion possible. It's really an art form by this point