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[Former_Fiend]

In the book Michel concedes to Gaspard because he was honor-bound to do, knowing that it would prolong a conflict that would kill thousands of people, most of whom honestly have no stake in either claimant's victory. In many respects, this could be considered a conventionally immoral decision, and yet "honorable" according to the standards of the code he lives by.

 

 

 

Well, it could be, at least by one whose own understanding of "honor" stands in opposition to the Chevaliers'. And so I will, pointless as it may be.

 

You're catching on.

 

And that's fair enough, so long as we can agree that what is and isn't honorable in a broad sense, outside the scope of a particular honor code, can't be stated objectively.

 

Now, I'd like to give this a rest. Standing up for the chevaliers, even indirectly, is making me sick to my stomach. Though I doubt the holiday over-eating helped much on that front.

[ladyofpayne]

But not the Chevalier's. In most feudal societies, every man who can bear a blade was in the army, trained or not, because their king demanded it. But those who joined say, the Knight-Templars, the Musketeers, the Aztec Jaguar Warriors, or the Medieval Knight were honored and celebrated for their skill and strength of arms. The average peasant couldn't join these illustrious band of brothers. They were pretty picky about who they let in. 

 

In Orzammar the reverse is true, ironically. The casteless can't join the army, but they can join the Legion of the Dead which is an honored military order, much like the Chevalier's, only the life expectancy is much shorter and there are fewer perks. 

That was in real France. We may judge it  but this is how world worked in Medieval.

[Han Shot First]

 

It's possible in the "What's the probability that the person I just killed was a criminal... roll d20" kind of way. I'm sure that's how many will rationalize it in their heads, anyway.

 

 

Well in that scenario I don't see them as just killing a random elf and hoping for the best. I think it is more of a case of going after a specific target, as in someone who is known to be a criminal (no shortage of those in the alienages probably), a Dalish from a clan that is known to have killed humans or engaged in banditry, or a City Elf linked to riots or rebellion plots who had their cover blown in some way.

 

If the devs wanted the Chevaliers to be more gray than LOL Evil, that would be the route to go. You have the 'good' Chevaliers going after troublemakers of various sorts, and the 'evil' Chevaliers being less discriminating and killing any elf regardless of whether or not they've been implicated in criminal or rebellious activity.

[The Baconer]

Well in that scenario I don't see them as just killing a random elf and hoping for the best. I think it is more of a case of going after a specific target, as in someone who is known to be a criminal (no shortage of those in the alienages probably), a Dalish from a clan that is known to have killed humans or engaged in banditry, or a City Elf linked to riots or rebellion plots who had their cover blown in some way.

 

If the devs wanted the Chevaliers to be more gray than LOL Evil, that would be the route to go. You have the 'good' Chevaliers going after troublemakers of various sorts, and the 'evil' Chevaliers being less discriminating and killing any elf regardless of whether or not they've been implicated in criminal or rebellious activity.

 

Well, we already know that isn't what they do. They get inebriated, and are told to kill whoever is out past curfew (which I guess would make the murdered elves "criminals").

[Master Warder Z_]

Well, we already know that isn't what they do. They get inebriated, and are told to kill whoever is out past curfew (which I guess would make the murdered elves "criminals").

Indeed.

Very dangerous and evil criminals flaunting the law.

[ladyofpayne]

Happy new year all of you! I wish all of us to get chevalier in our party. Sign this petittion to make Santa hear  us.

[Sommo James]

They are shiiit (Sera comment on chevalier to inquisitor after gaining champion spec.)

 

I bet that's one more reason for many forum members to support the chevaliers 

[ladyofpayne]

They are shiiit (Sera comment on chevalier to inquisitor after gaining champion spec.)

 

I bet that's one more reason for many forum members to support the chevaliers 

Do you read the topic? Chevaliers suppoerter thread.

[The Ascendant]

Was Blackwall/ Thom Rhainer a Chevalier? He says he was a captain in the Imperial Army, little else.

[raging_monkey]

Was Blackwall/ Thom Rhainer a Chevalier? He says he was a captain in the Imperial Army, little else.

just a captian

[Master Warder Z_]

just a captian

He could have been.

[raging_monkey]

He could have been.

possibly but with him its hard to sift through lies or half-truths

[dragonflight288]

possibly but with him its hard to sift through lies or half-truths

 

I think he was telling the truth on that, as he would have no reason to lie on that topic. 

[Master Warder Z_]

possibly but with him its hard to sift through lies or half-truths

No I meant he had the chance to be one.

He had one offer to mentor him after the Grand Melee.

[raging_monkey]

No I meant he had the chance to be one.

He had one offer to mentor him after the Grand Melee.

oh that thought you ment officially... still puzzled why he turned it down. Odd

[raging_monkey]

I think he was telling the truth on that, as he would have no reason to lie on that topic.

maybe

[ladyofpayne]

Now we have advertisment for our petition

[ladyofpayne]

Chevaliers love dancing

[TEWR]

Chevaliers love dancing

 

I think the spider one's my favorite. Or Varric dancing that Russian dance (don't know the exact name).

[ladyofpayne]

I think the spider one's my favorite. Or Varric dancing that Russian dance (don't know the exact name).

Kasachok. Bu I think Russian folk dance is better known.

[Han Shot First]

He could have been.

 

Ranier (Blackwall) was a commoner and also born in the Free Marches, so its unlikely he was a Chevalier.

 

That being said he did rise to Captain while serving in the Orlesian military, so perhaps he gained a knighthood. I'd still lean towards not being a Chevalier though.

 

On that note are all Orlesian knights Chevaliers, or are the Chevaliers sort of like an elite branch among Orlais' knighted nobles? I had the impression in the games that it was the latter, but the word Chevalier itself is just French for 'knight.'

[Master Warder Z_]

Ranier (Blackwall) was a commoner and also born in the Free Marches, so its unlikely he was a Chevalier.

Couldn't even be bothered to look up eh?

[ladyofpayne]

Oh guys I have bad news. Champion specialisation really supposed to be Chevalier- Gaspard de Chalons himself gives us a remard and the quest is from orlesian lord, we even had skills from the Chevlaiers. We need to start a revolt!

[ladyofpayne]

Corypheys, run and hide! Because angels are home.

Jean Mark Stroud, Michel de Chevin and Gaspard de chalons.