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So, how equitably is the Mage/Templar Conflict portrayed?


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Jazzpha

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This is the one lingering question I'm really hankering for opinions on before I dive into the game next week for my first few concentrated play sessions (which is a long story involving my laptop and the unexpected acquisition of an Xbox One).

 

No spoilers, obviously, but I do want to know if one side gets a noticeably shorter end of the stick. I'll wind up doing both eventually, I'm sure, but I'd like to gear myself up for any narrative shortfalls in advance, if shortfalls are on offer.

 

Of course, I'd be ecstatic if both sides were well-rounded and had pros and cons. That'd certainly be ideal.

 

Thanks! And I'm not trying to stir the pot on the whole preference debate, I'm just interested in the quality of their respective narrative arcs.



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Your experience is probably going to be different then mine, PS3 here so a lot of the incidental fighting was taken out in the hinterlands and stuff



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Your experience is probably going to be different then mine, PS3 here so a lot of the incidental fighting was taken out in the hinterlands and stuff

 

Makes sense. I meant more the story arcs than the gameplay, though. As in, is one side the Snidley Whiplash to the other's Dudley Do-Right, or is it more balanced narratively.

 

Thanks for the reply, though!



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In my game the Templars are being pointed out as the bad guys. It may be because I keep siding with helping the Chantry and the Circle though ;)



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Letter and convos you hear, they definitely seemed to go the route of they are all bad and out of control.



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I did the Templar route and found the story very enjoyable. It's an entirely distinct mission that has ramifications for the rest of the game, and there's no fudge choice. Great stuff.

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Sounds good; glad to hear it.

 

Thanks for the info, everyone! Can't wait to blitz through this game starting Sunday night; got halfway through the prologue before I had to put it down for the week.



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Sounds good; glad to hear it.

 

Thanks for the info, everyone! Can't wait to blitz through this game starting Sunday night; got halfway through the prologue before I had to put it down for the week.

I think you'll enjoy it as long as the crashing stays to a minimum, I'm 20 hours in and just finishing up the complete map for the first area (at least I think I'm finishing it...)



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The mages are fairly helpless at this point, being forced to make deals with unsavory sorts. Their leadership appears weak. There are also always hostile apostates in the Hinterlands.

 

Templars are roughly presented as fairly decent men being misguided by corrupt leadership. There are also always hostile ones in the Hinterlands, and the Red Templars are just monsters.


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Both are crazy lolol, it has been a long time coming.

 

However, my elf mage actually cast her vote with the templars...... I think I like that outcome better



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The Templars are immediately portrayed as pantomime villains. I won't spoil it, but your introduction to them is ridiculous.

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I'm pro-mage 4 lyfe, but there are enough reasonable and noble people in the Chantry and Templar Order in the game that I could see myself siding with them next playthrough. 


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Went pro mage and...

 

SPOILERS

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

...their leader is a complete idiot. Unbelievably stupid. 


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Gonna find spoilers here.
 
 
I have two characters, one warrior, one mage. I played warrior and then re-rolled in about half the story to see will it be more fun playing mage. First one went with templars, other with mages and i found that mages pulled some serious crap in this game and have no redeemable quality whatsoever.
I was like..why? WTF were you thinking? And they were like - We were scared, our bad. Please forgive us?



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LOL...I tjust wouldn't be a Dragon Age game without a mage/templar choice...

 

 

I just wish the franchise had not painted the templars as jackbooted thugs for the better part of 3 games. Yes, there are a few good ones, but most templars come off as douchebags for lack of a better word.

 

It makes it tough to side with them on anything.


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I went the Templar route on my first playthrough since it made more sense to me for my human noble to go with the 'anti-demon trained military force' rather than the 'prone to be possessed by demons force' to fight an invasion by demons.......Fiona by the way is an idiot, if you didn't get that from the book (Asunder) then Inquisition will probably convince you that beyond screaming Freedom! she didn't have any real plan for stage two of the mage rebellion.

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Too bad we have to pick a side. I would have liked a 3rd path that is much more difficult than choosing a side, but ends up with the Inquisition running things in the end.
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Too bad we have to pick a side. I would have liked a 3rd path that is much more difficult than choosing a side, but ends up with the Inquisition running things in the end.

 

These games live for making you choose...I've just come upon a big choice I'm going to have to make.

 

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Gonna find spoilers here.
 
 
I have two characters, one warrior, one mage. I played warrior and then re-rolled in about half the story to see will it be more fun playing mage. First one went with templars, other with mages and i found that mages pulled some serious crap in this game and have no redeemable quality whatsoever.
I was like..why? WTF were you thinking? And they were like - We were scared, our bad. Please forgive us?

 

SPOILERS?

 

Hold on now. The rebel mages that followed Fiona even after she pulled her dumb move were the idiots. Not every single rebel mage in Thedas. I'm sure there are many out there on their own or in groups just surviving in the wilds or incognito in some cities or villages.

 

Even the Fiona led dummies still possess redeeming qualities seeing as how things happened (future demon army) without their knowledge or control that they can't possibly be held accountable for.


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I went the Templar route on my first playthrough since it made more sense to me for my human noble to go with the 'anti-demon trained military force' rather than the 'prone to be possessed by demons force' to fight an invasion by demons.......Fiona by the way is an idiot, if you didn't get that from the book (Asunder) then Inquisition will probably convince you that beyond screaming Freedom! she didn't have any real plan for stage two of the mage rebellion.

Spoiler

 

I agree with you except for the Templars being better at fighting demons thing. Everything the Templars do the mages can do and more. These demons are in the material world physically and as such can possess anyone they want to. Even Templars. They simply have no desire to do so because there is no need to do so any longer.



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LOL...I tjust wouldn't be a Dragon Age game without a mage/templar choice...

 

 

I just wish the franchise had not painted the templars as jackbooted thugs for the better part of 3 games. Yes, there are a few good ones, but most templars come off as douchebags for lack of a better word.

 

It makes it tough to side with them on anything.

 

The Templar order only exists because mundanes want a way to control those with Fade abilities because they fear the power they possess. It's the Us vs Them thing. If fighting magic related bad things was really the number one motive then they would allow mages to join the Templars as well. 



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Without spoilers, I sided with the Templars.  Very epic, demonstrates the best and the worst of the Templars.  No idea how the mage quest is, but if you're pro-Templar like me, and you're worried they won't be represented in the best light, have faith.  Blessed are the peacekeepers, the champions of the just.  



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SPOILERS?

 

Hold on now. The rebel mages that followed Fiona even after she pulled her dumb move were the idiots. Not every single rebel mage in Thedas. I'm sure there are many out there on their own or in groups just surviving in the wilds or incognito in some cities or villages.

 

Even the Fiona led dummies still possess redeeming qualities seeing as how things happened (future demon army) without their knowledge or control that they can't possibly be held accountable for.

Minor spoilers, but still spoilers.

True, but here you are deciding between templars and mage rebellion. And it is implied that "Fiona led dummies" are bulk of the rebellion, also i doubt that every mage is a blood mage or abomination but if you played DA2, 90% sure is. Templars at least had their civil war, and good guys joined inquisition.



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The mage rebellion arc went about as I expected, with the Templars being as blind as I expected.



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Letter and convos you hear, they definitely seemed to go the route of they are all bad and out of control.

 

If you're talking about the Hinterlands, those factions fighting are both fanatical splinter groups. The mages are power-mad apostates who want to dominate the world. The templars are extremist ethnic cleansers who are acting like the KKK and also using the conflict as an excuse to beat and rape civilians.