I don't think he would have been as desperate if it was as easy as getting a permission slip then BOOM free for life.
That's assuming Anders would act reasonably and level headed about the whole thing. Anders would escape just to prove a point.
Besides, according to Finn in Witch Hunt, Anders' first escape attempt happened when they were both apprentices. That probably didn't help his chances of getting on the list once he passed his harrowing.
Nope!Have we seen any mage get released permenantly who wasn't either a hero or related to a hero? I'm genuinely curious because I can't think of one.
Have we seen any mage get released permenantly who wasn't either a hero or related to a hero? I'm genuinely curious because I can't think of one.
I don't think mages that fit that description have fallen into the purview of relevant to the story.
I don't think he would have been as desperate if it was as easy as getting a permission slip then BOOM free for life.
Anders attempted to escape already as an apprentice. Pretty sure the First Enchanter would be hesitant to allow Anders leave to go outside the Circle. Which would also explain why Anders hated Irving so much, and also why Irving regardless kept his hand over Anders (since he understood WHY Anders did what he did).
However, most mages do not know what freedom was as they were taken at a young age and grew up in the ways of the circle. Anders was at least 14 when he was taken to the circle and knew of life outside the circle beforehand. So of course he wouldn't be complaint with the rules.That's assuming Anders would act reasonably and level headed about the whole thing. Anders would escape just to prove a point.
Besides, according to Finn in Witch Hunt, Anders' first escape attempt happened when they were both apprentices. That probably didn't help his chances of getting on the list once he passed his harrowing.
Start a mage in DAO, finish the Harrowing, then go ask the Templars at the door to let you leave. They basically tell you the only way to leave on your own is by jumping from the tower.
I don't think mages that fit that description have fallen into the purview of relevant to the story.
I'm actually pretty sure we would have seen them by now. At least one. Mages are rare, but not that rare.
As im anti-mage this is pretty much retcon circle mage outside circle was extreme rarity not norm and mostly that was either because such individual got get out of circle card like wynne or whillhelm because what they did or in case of research.
Hell even wynne was allowed travel only after blight.
So basicly commit sucide was his solution. Hush don't use facts from the game! LolStart a mage in DAO, finish the Harrowing, then go ask the Templars at the door to let you leave. They basically tell you the only way to leave on your own is by jumping from the tower.
Perhaps, but I think the conflict needed to happen, for several reasons.
For a good story, yeah. But within their world. Not really. Mages already had freedoms and a much better life than most. It wasn't perfect and changes needed to be made but it could have been done without the bloodshed. Actually if you read Asunder, you'll notice that the mages who could make those changes were busy playing noble instead of doing anything.
the Circle would have been your entire future had the mages not rebelled against Chantry rule
This pretty much seals it for me. Doesn't sound like mage Trevelyan was ever going to be up for leave, at least.
Have we seen any mage get released permenantly who wasn't either a hero or related to a hero? I'm genuinely curious because I can't think of one.
Why would a mage with no social standing desire to leave the security and comfort of the circles? Why would they leave free food, cloths and protection to face mundanes that fear and hate them with almost no chance to make money beside being a healer (which is rare even among mages) or a criminal?
They are feed, lodged, clothed and protected from people who hate and fear them when in the circles. They even receive an education and if they are competent they even get to find position among nobility. Life in the circles is better than was most peasants have in Thedas (unless you are stuck in the Gallows).
Also, the mortalitasi seems to have no issues raising their none-mage nephews, but they might not even step in a circle. Nevarra is just weird that way.
I'm actually pretty sure we would have seen them by now. At least one. Mages are rare, but not that rare.
But would we, though? The whole of DA2 takes place in the one city where this never happens. DAI takes place after all mages are apostates. The only time we would have seen it is in DAO when the mage situation simply wasn't central enough to the plot to necessarily warrant this having specific attention drawn to it.
DAI addresses this in the only way it really can; having a circle mage companion explain it.
Why would a mage with no social standing desire to leave the security and comfort of the circles? Why would they leave free food, cloths and protection to face mundanes that fear and hate them with almost no chance to make money beside being a healer (which is rare even among mages) or a criminal?
They are feed, lodged, clothed and protected from people who hate and fear them when in the circles. They even receive an education and if they are competent they even get to find position among nobility. Life in the circles is better than was most peasants have in Thedas (unless you are stuck in the Gallows).
Also, the mortalitasi seems to have no issues raising their none-mage nephews, but they might not even step in a circle. Nevarra is just weird that way.
I'm not saying all mages would take the opportunity, but a lot would. At least for a while, to try it out.
All I'm saying is if these mages existed we would have seen one by now.
Guys, Duncan is at the Circle Tower in the Mage origin to try and wrestle more than seven mages out of the circle for the war efforts against the entire darkspawn threat in the south. Greagoir is seen arguing with Irving that they've let more than enough mages free, and any more would be a danger. Seven senior enchanters. For the entire army. most of them probably healers like Wynne. Do you really think it's that easy, just pass the harrowing, get a slip and that's it? the templars weren't willing to let more than seven mages out of the tower for the king's army on his personal request. Joe McAveragellon that just wants to go open a bakery in redcliffe and get married to a pretty girl doesn't stand a chance of ever leaving the tower if he's not Tranquil.
Finn was accompanying the Hero of Ferelden/The Warden-Commander of Ferelden as an advisor. He was needed. Vivienne is cunning and political. Normal people don't usually get these opportunities
But would we, though? The whole of DA2 takes place in the one city where this never happens. DAI takes place after all mages are apostates. The only time we would have seen it is in DAO when the mage situation simply wasn't central enough to the plot to necessarily warrant this having specific attention drawn to it.
DAI addresses this in the only way it really can; having a circle mage companion explain it.
And DAI also has a description blurb that directly contradicts it. Where does that leave us?
For a good story, yeah. But within their world. Not really. Mages already had freedoms and a much better life than most. It wasn't perfect and changes needed to be made but it could have been done without the bloodshed. Actually if you read Asunder, you'll notice that the mages who could make those changes were busy playing noble instead of doing anything.
That's the problem; the changes that needed to be made weren't going to come until all the factions involved (and the people they serve) had a wake-up call. The war is that wake-up call. It was costly, yes, but it was the most effective way to show the people of Thedas why they can't afford to be complacent.
Also that the Seekers are a worthless, cancerous tumor.
Have we seen any mage get released permenantly who wasn't either a hero or related to a hero? I'm genuinely curious because I can't think of one.
To be fair most of the mages we interact with are the heroic types. So *shrug*
If only we could've been a CE mage. We could've saw if they were allowed to leave. Alas we're only a noble mage.
So basicly commit sucide was his solution. Hush don't use facts from the game! Lol
We're ignoring that you can ask Irving about that not three minutes later and he'll tell you he'll discuss it with you later suggesting that yes this is something that's open to discussion and not an automatic no.
This pretty much seals it for me. Doesn't sound like mage Trevelyan was ever going to be up for leave, at least.
But that seems odd because my Mage Trevelyan knew a lot about noble customs and even remarked how the ball reminded him of home. It doesn't seem like he was taken to the Circle as a child or the Circle was all he knew. But maybe it's a story thing, something a Trevelyan would talk about no matter what class they were.
To be fair most of the mages we interact with are the heroic types. So *shrug*
If only we could've been a CE mage. We could've saw if they were allowed to leave. Alas we're only a noble mage.
I think city elves would be the least likely to leave. The ones we would see leave the most would probably be those who have ties on the outside. And most of those mages would have noble backgrounds.
I think city elves would be the least likely to leave. The ones we would see leave the most would probably be those who have ties on the outside. And most of those mages would have noble backgrounds.
But we're not sure on that. Being able to say "I couldn't leave" or "I could leave" as a CE mage would've told us that for sure.
But that seems odd because my Mage Trevelyan knew a lot about noble customs and even remarked how the ball reminded him of home. It doesn't seem like he was taken to the Circle as a child or the Circle was all he knew. But maybe it's a story thing, something a Trevelyan would talk about no matter what class they were.
Wasn't Anders in his early teens when he was taken?
I don't know how it is in Ostwick, but mages would sometimes visit balls in Kirkwall, right (before everything became so strict)? That's how mama and papa Hawke met.
There is something really, very deliberately screwy with the writing in DA games regarding how mages are shown.
You have mages who want to get so badly they’re willing to turn to demons and blood magic. You have mages like Finn and Vivienne who say that, pffft, getting a pass is easy and more mages should just do that instead of going crazy and banging against the walls. You have Templars who tell you the only way out is to jump out the window (and according to them that some mages have tried that), and you have Knight-Commander who says that First Enchanter has the final word.
Those towers remind me of feudal city in Thedas. There are lines between people, slums and nobles of mage tower, Templars acting like a city guard with curfew and a permission to kill if necessary, mages at the bottom of the ladder who will never go out, and mages like Vivienne who know how to play the game and will get what they want. Even locked away connections are everything, unless your Knight-Commander is Meredith.
In theory, getting a permission should be easy if you’re a good little mage and it probably was in the early days of the Circle – in practice, not so much.
Mages are far from equal in the tower. If you do not prove your usefulness to the Circle, if you do not know the right people, say the right words in the right ear, or even share someone’s bed if required, you will never go out.
That's the problem; the changes that needed to be made weren't going to come until all the factions involved (and the people they serve) had a wake-up call. The war is that wake-up call. It was costly, yes, but it was the most effective way to show the people of Thedas why they can't afford to be complacent.
Also that the Seekers are a worthless, cancerous tumor.
I agree, it certainly made a lot of people want to make a change..or more like Cory blowing up the conclave helped it along. But this whole thing could have ended so badly for the mages. Seems to me like they were gonna get sold off to real slavery, which I would have found hilarious. Let's see them start a rebellion in Tevinter.
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