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[Treacherous J Slither]

Used to think magi were the right and templars wrong now i see them as 2 buffuns with sticks bigger than them. I say abolish everything and let em work it out. No ones gonna be happy so let them kill eachother and let the nobles handle it.

Despite being a promage and only playing mages see them both as fools who should just have at it. Eventually they will go back to the original plan

 

Original plan? Meaning what? The Circle? Tevinter Imperium? Or do you mean before that?

 

I'll assume you mean pre Imperium. What was the plan here then? Mages were free and the world wasn't being ravaged by demons and abominations was it? Guess the whole magic thing isn't really a big deal is it?

 

Free the mages.

[raging_monkey]

Original plan? Meaning what? The Circle? Tevinter Imperium? Or do you mean before that? I'll assume you mean pre Imperium. What was the plan here then? Mages were free and the world wasn't being ravaged by demons and abominations was it? Guess the whole magic thing isn't really a big deal is it? Free the mages.

do i sound crazy of course the circles lol but i wouldnt cry if they were a gesalt of different styles of circle training a bit of south and tevinter. People like assimulation and appropriation lets use it.

Worse case what ever templar/inquisition off shoot can have full annulments war between MT will always happen.

[Storvacker]

Finn isn't a good example, as he leaves for a short period of time with the Hero of Fereldan or Warden Commander who needs him for an extremely important mission. That's special circumstances. Besides, the Knight Commander probably knew the Warden could just conscript Finn if he said no, at least this way he'd get Finn back afterwards.

[Sports72Xtrm]

"I get stuck in a tower, a nice, warm tower! Oh, the horror! And THEN (wait for it) they TEACH me. They provide me with an education to rival a noble's, they teach me how to read and write! What a freak I am, none of my former-peasant-buddies could read or write! And then they give me these disgusting high-quality robes and magical staff, ugh why can't I run around in rags like most other people!? I'm so mad, but thank you for listening, group of people who know exactly how I feel and can relate to me in every way because I'm surrounded by friends, thanks for listening to my horrible mage life. Now, I think I'll get some free food to eat and then go to sleep in my nice bed."

Hyperbole but yea u get it

And yet we have people like Malcolm Hawke, Anders, Rhys, who eschew such  "luxuries" and I use the term loosely.  Even templars like Evangeline and Leliana think its an oppressive institution who goes too far. Pretending that the discord doesn't exist won't solve anything and does little to reach understanding and common ground. It's funny, Dorian has a point about his conversation about Tevinter but it could apply to any political party who bludgeon's their oppressed and abuse their power: Those who are elitists, neurotic, or just paranoid and ignorant always rationalize their fascism and forego ideals because it's expedient. Tevinter can say to their slaves, why are you unhappy being a slave when they freed you from inescapable poverty? The Qunari can say to their Tal-vashoth why are you upset about your station as a tasmaraan who's role is to prostitute themselves so that they tame the Qunari's savage nature. It's called corruption and abuse and should be fought against. Or as Dorian says, "some [insert oppressor] may disagree but that's why we kill them"

[Hazegurl]

The thing is that the mages of the Circle are completely at the mercy of the Templars and the Chantry. Two organizations that they are not allowed to join themselves. There is no equal sharing of power for Circle mages. Whatever they have is given to them and at any time can be taken away by people that believe mages are responsible for nearly destroying the world.

You continue to ignore the fact that Mages do run the Circles. They just aren't doing their jobs, like typical politicians.  Sure they can't say "Everybody get up and leave the Circles now." But they do in fact run them.

[LD Little Dragon]

"I get stuck in a tower, a nice, warm tower! Oh, the horror! And THEN (wait for it) they TEACH me. They provide me with an education to rival a noble's, they teach me how to read and write! What a freak I am, none of my former-peasant-buddies could read or write! And then they give me these disgusting high-quality robes and magical staff, ugh why can't I run around in rags like most other people!? I'm so mad, but thank you for listening, group of people who know exactly how I feel and can relate to me in every way because I'm surrounded by friends, thanks for listening to my horrible mage life. Now, I think I'll get some free food to eat and then go to sleep in my nice bed."

Hyperbole but yea u get it

No amount of 'warm beds, education, good food' can make up for:

 

• Alistair: So you... mentioned you had a son? What happened to him?
• Wynne: I honestly don't know, Alistair. He was... taken from me. Such births are seldom, as there are ways to prevent it, but it does happen. And any child born to a Circle mage belongs to the Chantry.
• Alistair: I... didn't know. I'm sorry.
• Wynne: It's all right. It was a long time ago. A very long time ago.
• Alistair: Couldn't you do something about it?
• Wynne: Do what? I was weak from the birthing process and there were... no, there was nothing I could do.
• Alistair: Do you think about him?
• Wynne: All the time.

And this is Wynne, who had it about as good as a Circle mage can.

 

And even she wasn't trusted.  Or did you forget that in DAO the only way to get Greagoir to stop the Right of Annulment was to find Irving alive.  He wouldn't trust a single other mage's word that they weren't possessed.

 

Oh yeah, life was great in the tower - provided you didn't actually want a life.

[TK514]

There are several good reasons to remove a child from a closed, limited and exclusive society like the Mage Circles.  Starting with the child's lack of magic.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

The Qunari can say to their Tal-vashoth why are you upset about your station as a tasmaraan who's role is to prostitute themselves so that they tame the Qunari's savage nature.

Where do you get that one?

[Lulupab]

That's odd.. I could have sworn that in the first game they made it sound like a prison, saying you can never leave unless something really important comes up. 

 

Its only sort of a prison. Mages who can leave are a small minority.

[Sports72Xtrm]

Where do you get that one?

https://www.youtube....h?v=6Ia7m5drN94 when bull talks about the Qun and sex.

[LD Little Dragon]

There are several good reasons to remove a child from a closed, limited and exclusive society like the Mage Circles.  Starting with the child's lack of magic.

Except Rhys was a mage.  Even after that was discovered he was sent to a different circle for training because that's what the Chantry does for ... reasons.

 

Maker forbid a mage has a hand in raising a child.  Oh wait, other people's children are fine. Just not their own.

[herkles]

I am curious if the mages in the south might be headed dowe the path were thein kingdoms become mageocracies? Ie tevinter style.

[raging_monkey]

I am curious if the mages in the south might be headed dowe the path were thein kingdoms become mageocracies? Ie tevinter style.

gaider said years ago that tevinter is NOT A PANCEA for mages. Seriously why does everyone assume the south we become vints XD

Sides southern magi "evolved" differently from the northern cousins

[herkles]

gaider said years ago that tevinter is NOT A PANCEA for mages. Seriously why does everyone assume the south we become vints XD

Sides southern magi "evolved" differently from the northern cousins

Never said it was a pancea. How ever who will stop the mages when the use blood magic for power and protest anyone investigating the blood magic, Ie orsino? And then using that magic for mind control to dominate politics?

Just curious.

Though I would hope that the templars and/or a group like Harry potters aoror would be used to prevent cases like that.

[raging_monkey]

Never said it was a pancea. How ever who will stop the mages when the use blood magic for power and protest anyone investigating the blood magic, Ie orsino? And then using that magic for mind control to dominate politics?Just curious.Though I would hope that the templars and/or a group like Harry potters aoror would be used to prevent cases like that.

oh i was being harsh just playful teasing need disclaimers really

Any way there will alway be templars/off-shoots to protect the mundanes. And tbh we have no idea how the mage freedom thing will work out

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

https://www.youtube....h?v=6Ia7m5drN94 when bull talks about the Qun and sex.

I'm going to need to find a PC that can actually run this game, aren't I?

[raging_monkey]

I'm going to need to find a PC that can actually run this game, aren't I?

or borrow a console its pretty good

[Nightdragon8]

Why would a mage with no social standing desire to leave the security and comfort of the circles?  Why would they leave free food, cloths and protection to face mundanes that fear and hate them with almost no chance to make money beside being a healer (which is rare even among mages) or a criminal?

 

They are feed, lodged, clothed and protected from people who hate and fear them when in the circles. They even receive an education and if they are competent they even get to find position among nobility. Life in the circles is better than was most peasants have in Thedas (unless you are stuck in the Gallows).

 

Also, the mortalitasi seems to have no issues raising their none-mage nephews, but they might not even step in a circle. Nevarra is just weird that way.

yes but your stuck there for the rest of your life... in that tower.. and yet you have stories and books of the great valleys the wonderful waterfalls. And the most you can do is cast spells and read books.

 

For those that don't want to go outside then its a dream come true. However for those that want to go outside and you know see things? Nope. At least that was the Fereldan Circle and the Kirkwall Circle, after meradith. seems to me before it wasn't that big of an issue. Considering Hawke's dad was a mage and ended up romancing a noble woman and moving to Fereldan. But I guess because the Grey Warden wanted him, they may have thought he was as good as dead, or become a Grey Warden in which case nothing that anyone could do.

[dragonflight288]

Where do you get that one?

 

Dialogue with Iron Bull. My qunari inquisitor had a talk about sexuality among the qunari with him. Turns out they treat sexual urges as a doctor's appointment with the Tamrassan's. 

[raging_monkey]

Dialogue with Iron Bull. My qunari inquisitor had a talk about sexuality among the qunari with him. Turns out they treat sexual urges as a doctor's appointment with the Tamrassan's.

sounds like saturday lol

Im joking