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[Korhiann]

Personally I hadn't put the clues together before it was revealed, although I had come to the conclusion that he was a rather poor warden seeing as he apparently did squat during the blight and told me next to nothing about the wardens. Him not being bothered by the calling did make me go "Huh, that's strange. Musn't be as bad as they say".

I made sure that he lived up to the real Blackwall and made him join the wardens. Too bad Bioware didn't add in a joining scene if you recruited the wardens. 

[Cyberpunk]

It's all part of the great game. If you hate him, you should hate virtually everyone in Orlais. 

[Esteed789]

It's all part of the great game. If you hate him, you should hate virtually everyone in Orlais. 

 

My thoughts exactly.  He could have said no, certainly, and that would have been the right choice, but what consequences would he have faced, angering a noble by refusing such a generous offer?  He also says, when you talk to him in prison, that he was told the guy he killed would be with soldiers, not his family.  So there was at least some level of manipulation involved there.

 

EDIT:  To clarify, I look at him as being another victim of the ridiculous Game, and while that doesn't absolve him, it mitigates the situation somewhat in my eyes.

[AtreiyaN7]

Woops, wrong thread - meant to post that somewhere else.

[Arakat]

This just makes me worried what else I missed on the first playthrough.

[Obadiah]

I found a Grey Warden report that conflicted with Blackwell's account of his actions during the Blight, so I suspected something was up.

[Chiramu]

Whatever Blackwall really is he is still an irritating little shite.

[Arakat]

I found a Grey Warden report that conflicted with Blackwell's account of his actions during the Blight, so I suspected something was up.

 

Yeah, the codex entry that was in the World Of Thedas is really different from what he tells you, that really set on some alarm bells.

[introverted_assassin]

sweet mother of pearl it makes all of the sense now. I knew something about him didn't curl all the way over!

[PogueMT]

I'm still confused by the fact if you take him with you on the Warden related quest the other warden senses him, but (from what I understand) he hasn't gone through the joining - how does that work?

[Arakat]

I'm still confused by the fact if you take him with you on the Warden related quest the other warden senses him, but (from what I understand) he hasn't gone through the joining - how does that work?

 

I just thought they saw the griffon on his armor, but it is a bit weird.

[Ivy Lavellan]

My Lavellan romanced him and suspected nothing, poor girl. After the truth came out she took him back into the Inquisition because well, atonement and all, but she couldn't forgive the fact he's been lying to her all this time, so she broke up with him. Actually, she's been so hurt she can't even look at him anymore. Probably would've sent him away from Skyhold if there was such an option.

[rpgfan321]

I don't understand how Alistair can recognize Blackwall as a Grey Warden when you take him with you in the first place. He doesn't have the Blight as part of him. Was it the beard? I bet it was the beard....

 

Duncan and the original Blackwall must have had a mustache-off between themselves and shared the story with Alistair....

[Ananka]

I wasn't expecting it. In the beginning I was a bit peeved at him hanging out in Ferelden on his own during the Blight and "recruiting"  (yeah right) while my Warden had to run around looking for alliances and sacrifice herself against the archdemon. Could have used those recruits, Blackwall. Could have used more Grey Wardens who didn't make a faceplant from a dragon.

 

I brought him back into the Inquisition. No point in killing him when we need people to fight for the Inquisition and he seems to regret what he did. Next time I'll probably give him to the Wardens since it seems like he really wants to be one and since I consider Wardenhood a punishment.

[Corto81]

I thought Blackwall was well done and his story and the twist were among the more memorable stuff in the story/side stories.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

I had figured it out before it happened, but I thought it was a great bit of storytelling. It made him interesting and complex, which is great because if Blackwall had actually been what he had presented himself as, he would have been the least interesting character in the series.

[Kulyok]

I honestly didn't care. "That boring guy is a Warden? Not a Warden? Whatever."

 

Pragmatically, it matters little: we needed a badass warrior, and we got one. That he's not tainted is even better for our cause.

[Chanda]

I was more upset about his murdering of an entire family, including four children. He didn't have to go that far. Murder his target, okay, but leave the children alone. That is never okay.

He is the biggest bag of douchery that ever was. He can hang.

[jtav]

I wish having him serve in the Inquisition had less an air of him getting off scot-free. Being a Warden these days is not likely to help his moral development/atonement. So I'd prefer "Thom Ranier, with the consent of the Crown of Orlais and in light of both the horriffic nature of your crimes and your exemplary conduct since, I hereby formally conscript you into the Inquisition. You are under the same restrictions as other conscripts. Commander Cullen will handle the details." 

[Esteed789]

I was more upset about his murdering of an entire family, including four children. He didn't have to go that far. Murder his target, okay, but leave the children alone. That is never okay.

He is the biggest bag of douchery that ever was. He can hang.

 

He was told that the guy would be with soldiers, not his family.  His men were therefore ordered to kill the guy and everyone with him.  By the time he learned the truth, the corpses were already cold.  The noble that paid him outright lied about that, and while it's possible he'd have still done it, the impression I got is that he wouldn't have taken the money if he'd known it would take slaughtering a whole family.

[daveliam]

I was completely unspoiled on this one.  It was a surprise.  I was wondering why he seemed so disconnected from the Order and why, when I brought him with me to Adamant, he had really minimal extra dialogue.  To be honest, I thought it was just poor writing (I should have known better given his author) and was willing to forgive it.  I did not see it coming.  It is actually a kind of brilliant twist. 

 

It made me wonder:  Do you think that his story about the real Blackwall is true?  The whole thing could have been a cover.  We're just assuming that he was intending to recruit him. 

[Ranadiel Marius]

I was completely unspoiled on this one. It was a surprise. I was wondering why he seemed so disconnected from the Order and why, when I brought him with me to Adamant, he had really minimal extra dialogue. To be honest, I thought it was just poor writing (I should have known better given his author) and was willing to forgive it. I did not see it coming. It is actually a kind of brilliant twist.

It made me wonder: Do you think that his story about the real Blackwall is true? The whole thing could have been a cover. We're just assuming that he was intending to recruit him.

I think the Blackwall story was true. In the story the real Blackwall told him to get a vial of Darkspawn blood, but he never learned why. That fits with what we know regarding Grey Warden recruitment procedures and would be a weird detail for him to learn from a different source without the full context.

[daveliam]

I think the Blackwall story was true. In the story the real Blackwall told him to get a vial of Darkspawn blood, but he never learned why. That fits with what we know regarding Grey Warden recruitment procedures and would be a weird detail for him to learn from a different source without the full context.

 

That's a good point.  I forgot about that line.

 

Come to think of it though, wasn't he with a bunch of Warden recruits when you first meet him.  What was he doing with them?  Was he actually conscripting them?  I remember that he sent them back when he joined the Inquisition, but what would he have done had the Inquisitor not shown up?

[Ranadiel Marius]

That's a good point. I forgot about that line.

Come to think of it though, wasn't he with a bunch of Warden recruits when you first meet him. What was he doing with them? Was he actually conscripting them? I remember that he sent them back when he joined the Inquisition, but what would he have done had the Inquisitor not shown up?

I think he was just training them to protect their village and he would have let them go back home even without the Inq appearance.

[Sir DeLoria]

He screwed up yeah, but he's my quizzies bro, I had to forgive him.