As a fellow straight male atheist I'd like to encourage you to get over yourself.
Other straight male atheists have standards you know...We lay down the line when it comes to religious women...I personally have seen and been around enough of them to be wary of them...In DAO, Morrigan is not religious...In DA2 Isabela is not religious either and Merrill is not an Andrastian...But in this game ? Both options are religious, are Andrastian and one is an asexual...
*Disgusted noise*
That's because your conception of a ''proper woman'' (lol) is boring, reductive, and done to death. I'm glad Bioware is branching out and offering varied and complex characters instead of your traditional Blushing virgin option 1 and Femme fatale option 2.
So complex variety = 1 religiously naive woman who believes that everything is the Maker's work and has a poor taste in literature + 1 asexual woman with the same Andrastian religious viewpoint...
If this is what you consider complex and variety....Small wonder relationships and marriage in real life is taking a sharp decline in the West to the point of becoming nonexistent... 
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Other straight male atheists have standards you know...We lay down the line when it comes to religious women...I personally have seen and been around enough of them to be wary of them...In DAO, Morrigan is not religious...In DA2 Isabela is not religious either and Merrill is not an Andrastian...But in this game ? Both options are religious, are Andrastian and one is an asexual...
*Disgusted noise*
LMFAO
Uh huh, sure you do.
As an asexual, from the description of the romance (I haven't seen it myself), it certainly does sound like she could be asexual.Poor man, just two romances and one doesn't have a sex scene!
Please
Also, asexual? Why, because they don't show her ****** bouncing for your pleasure? Get real dude
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What's the problem with an athiest not being attracted to a religious person?
Nothing wrong with that. And im pretty sure no one has said there is anything wrong with that. Im an atheist as well, and personally im fine being with a religious woman, as long as she isn't pushing her beliefs on me. I see no reason to ignore them and maybe miss out on something wonderful just because they hold different beliefs. I also feel no need to 'lay down the law' with anyone.(thats a hilarious term btw)
Nothing wrong with that. And im pretty sure no one has said there is anything wrong with that. Im an atheist as well, and personally im fine being with a religious woman, as long as she isn't pushing her beliefs on me. I see no reason to ignore them and maybe miss out on something wonderful just because they hold different beliefs. I also feel no need to 'lay down the law' with anyone.(thats a hilarious term btw)
Some people do feel like Cassandra pushes her beliefs on them. I agree that a single "Cassandra disapproves" could end up being insignificant, but at the same time, it's one of the first interactions you can have with her. First impressions are important.
Also, the phrase that person used was "lay down the line," not "lay down the law." He was essentially saying that some atheists really take a stand against religious partners; they "draw their line in the sand."
So Josephine is the virginal romance in DAI?
Ahhh OK, been wondering... *g*
Good old Bioware and their fascination with virgins ;D
I'd be mad if it was restricted to female companions and if I didn't find Alistair's romance so very cute.
Now we just need the incest DLC.
What's the problem with an athiest not being attracted to a religious person?
Because apparently not liking Cassandra for what she is, around here in BSN, translates as "You cannot handle a strong real independent women !" + White Knights to the rescue !....
It could not possibly be because of something like... "She is religious, she believes in something that has no actual evidence of existing, she believes that she is doing the work of someone that no one is certain even exist and that makes her unappealing to someone who values rational thinking in their significant other"
****. I just realized how... stunted this romance is. Can I ditch her now and go with someone else? Hahahah.
As a fellow straight male atheist I'd like to encourage you to get over yourself.
Unlike you I don't like to conform to the masses. I like to urge you to think for yourself and not be a sycophant....
Also, I didn't know I had to "get over myself" and do something that goes against what I feel.
That's because your conception of a ''proper woman'' (lol) is boring, reductive, and done to death. I'm glad Bioware is branching out and offering varied and complex characters instead of your traditional Blushing virgin option 1 and Femme fatale option 2.
The irony.
The blushing virgin = Josephine romance
Femme fatale (lethal woman) = Cassandra to a tee.
Just started a romance with Josephine and uuugh she's so adorable. I don't even care if there's no sex man, I don't need sex in a video game. She's like the cutest thing ever.
So..wait. Josephine isn't a full romance, leaving Cass as the only one - and Cass' romance is bugged.
Thanks awfully, Bioware.
So..wait. Josephine isn't a full romance, leaving Cass as the only one - and Cass' romance is bugged.
Thanks awfully, Bioware.
Bugged how?
On my first playthrough I romanced her and the only thing that seems odd is that now post-end, everytime I talk to her she refers to me as the "Inquisitor" only instead of using the romance dialogue. This is the bug?
Bugged how?
On my first playthrough I romanced her and the only thing that seems odd is that now post-end, everytime I talk to her she refers to me as the "Inquisitor" only, instead of using the romance dialogue. This is the bug?
It may be platform specific (Xbox 360), but the romance scene does the ol' "hangs and will never advance unless you hit the skip button, meaning you miss about half of it" dance, like a particular MQ scene in the Western Approach.
Other straight male atheists have standards you know...We lay down the line when it comes to religious women...I personally have seen and been around enough of them to be wary of them...In DAO, Morrigan is not religious...In DA2 Isabela is not religious either and Merrill is not an Andrastian...But in this game ? Both options are religious, are Andrastian and one is an asexual...
*Disgusted noise*
Not platform specific. People got it in other platforms as well.It may be platform specific (Xbox 360), but the romance scene does the ol' "hangs and will never advance unless you hit the skip button, meaning you miss about half of it" dance, like a particular MQ scene in the Western Approach.
Unlike you I don't like to conform to the masses. I like to urge you to think for yourself and not be a sycophant....
Also, I didn't know I had to "get over myself" and do something that goes against what I feel.
One *could* say that we'd all get along better if we didn't reject people based on ONE character trait... it's not like she tortures animals or something. Believing in god is not a flaw, you know. Being a religious nut and rejecting all other beliefs and world views is. But then again they share that with a lot of atheists...
I used to hate religion with a passion. I'm agnostic, but I hated all those "stupid" religious people for all the horrible stuff religion has done to mankind. I still strongly dislike religious institutions. They have little to do with the original teachings and just foster hatred around the world. But religion and faith are two different things.
I'm in the process of getting over my hatred for all things religious. I'm no better than a religious nut if I'm this dogmatic about my own world view.
I strongly advise everyone to let go of their resentment for everyone who does not agree with their opinion.
I'm a vegetarian but I don't hate everyone who eats meat. I don't reject relationship partners based on that either. I'd be happier if they were vegetarian or vegan, too. But that shouldn't be what makes me like or dislike a person. In fact, I dislike many vegans because they feel sooo superior and push the vegan agenda at you like the biggest religious zealots.
Yes, being religious or not is a big part of a person. But it does not automatically make somebody good or bad. Smart or dumb. In fact, I've come to appreciate people who believe in *something*. I much prefer them over gloomy disillusioned people. They are often less angry.
In the case of Cassandra: I love her character. She's a very moderate and open-minded religious woman. She saw herself forced to REJECT the Chantry because she realized they have lost their way! So she's religious but not a religious zealot. BIG difference. Cassandra is a very moral, kind woman. There is so much to like about her. She represents pretty much an ideal to me. She hates the abuse of power, that includes the Chantry. She supports equality and a better life for everyone. She's quick to disapprove but then always softens up and sees things from your point of view. When she asked what my character believes in, I answered the Elven gods. Of course, she disapproved a little, just as anyone would when somebody disagrees. But she wasn't condescending about it at all. I thought her almost timid question if there was room for one more god, was very cute. That's not pushing religion to me. She accepts you even if she doesn't always approve right away. That's more than most people in real life do.
Can't say about Josephine yet. We haven't talked about religion yet.
One *could* say that we'd all get along better if we didn't reject people based on ONE character trait... it's not like she tortures animals or something. Believing in god is not a flaw, you know. Being a religious nut and rejecting all other beliefs and world views is. But then again they share that with a lot of atheists...
I used to hate religion with a passion. I'm agnostic, but I hated all those "stupid" religious people for all the horrible stuff religion has done to mankind. I still strongly dislike religious institutions. They have little to do with the original teachings and just foster hatred around the world. But religion and faith are two different things.
I'm in the process of getting over my hatred for all things religious. I'm no better than a religious nut if I'm this dogmatic about my own world view.
I strongly advise everyone to let go of their resentment for everyone who does not agree with their opinion.
I'm a vegetarian but I don't hate everyone who eats meat. I don't reject relationship partners based on that either. I'd be happier if they were vegetarian or vegan, too. But that shouldn't be what makes me like or dislike a person. In fact, I dislike many vegans because they feel sooo superior and push the vegan agenda at you like the biggest religious zealots.
Yes, being religious or not is a big part of a person. But it does not automatically make somebody good or bad. Smart or dumb. In fact, I've come to appreciate people who believe in *something*. I much prefer them over gloomy disillusioned people. They are often less angry.
In the case of Cassandra: I love her character. She's a very moderate and open-minded religious woman. She saw herself forced to REJECT the Chantry because she realized they have lost their way! So she's religious but not a religious zealot. BIG difference. Cassandra is a very moral, kind woman. There is so much to like about her. She represents pretty much an ideal to me. She hates the abuse of power, that includes the Chantry. She supports equality and a better life for everyone. She's quick to disapprove but then always softens up and sees things from your point of view. When she asked what my character believes in, I answered the Elven gods. Of course, she disapproved a little, just as anyone would when somebody disagrees. But she wasn't condescending about it at all. I thought her almost timid question if there was room for one more god, was very cute. That's not pushing religion to me. She accepts you even if she doesn't always approve right away. That's more than most people in real life do.
Can't say about Josephine yet. We haven't talked about religion yet.
This creates another problem...well,not problem...but honestly, Cassandra is the best option for the Divine in the game...Her moves are fair and equal to everyone, mage and non mage alike....
But that means the Cassandra x Inquisitor romance will have to end so....
This creates another problem...well,not problem...but honestly, Cassandra is the best option for the Divine in the game...Her moves are fair and equal to everyone, mage and non mage alike....
But that means the Cassandra x Inquisitor romance will have to end so....
SPOILERS FOR CASSANDRA ROMANCE AND PLOT DEVELOPMENT
Oh, absolutely. When I accidentally read the spoiler about deciding who becomes the new Divine (I'm not even halfway through the game), I thought of her immediately. Then I kind of dismissed that idea again because Cassandra is more of a warrior. Not sure she'd even want to be Divine. But I agree that she'd be perfect.
But why should that keep people from romancing her? Makes for an epic tragic love story ;P Sometimes we have to let people go so they can become what they were meant to be. If you choose her as a love interest and make her Divine, that's pretty awesome. A very noble and selfless act for the greater good. Screw your selfish needs, you recognized the opportunity for real change and acted on it. Love is all about helping people be the best they can be.
That, and Leliana can teach you a few things about secret love affairs with religious leaders ;P
I do get the "problem" though when you don't want a romance revolve around religion. Depending on what you choose, Cassandra's romance becomes highly politically and religiously charged... you can always choose differently though. But yeah, bit difficult to ignore all that when you romance her, I guess.
Personally, I think it sounds like a beautiful romance that ties into the main plot. Like Liara in Mass Effect. But I understand that it sucks if you don't want it to.
There are so many spoilers in this thread... 
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