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[godModeAlpha]

Still, I didn't feel the passion in DAI games, yes, there is nudity that takes place after the sex, but ME3 was a lot more passionate because of the interaction. I like snuggle and hugging that convey passion than just seeing nude parts. There are porn everywhere on the internet for free or I can get it in real life. I want to see the romance like reading the book, the passion. It seems like ME3 does it right, I'm disappointed with DAI to be honest. If there is no weird underwear sex, it would have been perfect. That's why I said I prefer something like DAI and ME3 combined. I hope that's what we get with ME4.

Agree somewhat,nothing beats ME3 romance. I remember Liara crying and injured when Shep was going into the citadel. Epic

In Dragon age, I still rate DAO as the standard for romance in this series.

[CitizenThom]

I love Red Dead Redemption's open world randomness and it's story line. The one scene of nudity & sex (I assume we're talking about Mexico?) felt like it had been shoe-horned into the game... it was the only part of the game that didn't flow with all the rest. Yeah it told you something about one of the characters...but not anything you wouldn't have known otherwise from dialogue. It really isn't all that better than what your accusing Dragon Age's of in its approach to sex scenes.

[karushna5]

Still, I didn't feel the passion in DAI games, yes, there is nudity that takes place after the sex, but ME3 was a lot more passionate because of the interaction. I like snuggle and hugging that convey passion than just seeing nude parts. There are porn everywhere on the internet for free or I can get it in real life. I want to see the romance like reading the book, the passion. It seems like ME3 does it right, I'm disappointed with DAI to be honest. If there is no weird underwear sex, it would have been perfect. That's why I said I prefer something like DAI and ME3 combined. I hope that's what we get with ME4.

 

that is what I agree with. For example, Iron Bull was almost completely about sex as part of his "romance" I actually found it a bit strange, especially since you only find out about the BDSM afterwards. Sera is very crude, strangely also quite romantic, but still. Those are the only ones I have seen, and from the looks of it, they focused a whole lot more on the sex than the romance. Personally I think the underwear kinda makes sense, but I agree that in ME3/even the previous ones, there was more of a sense of a relationship.

[jellobell]

Still, I didn't feel the passion in DAI games, yes, there is nudity that takes place after the sex, but ME3 was a lot more passionate because of the interaction. I like snuggle and hugging that convey passion than just seeing nude parts. There are porn everywhere on the internet for free or I can get it in real life. I want to see the romance like reading the book, the passion. It seems like ME3 does it right, I'm disappointed with DAI to be honest. If there is no weird underwear sex, it would have been perfect. That's why I said I prefer something like DAI and ME3 combined. I hope that's what we get with ME4.

In DA:I it really depends on who you romance. Sera's and Iron Bull's are funny and lighthearted. Blackwall's is angsty. Cullen's and Cassandra's are fluffy and adorable. Josephine's is adorable and romantic. And Solas's is romantic and passionate. The romance scenes accomplish different things and set different moods, which fit the personalities of the characters involved.

 

If you want passionate then I'd say go for Solas or Blackwall (depending on how much you like a tortured soul. Solas's is probably the sweeter of the two).

 

EDIT: Whoops, forgot Dorian. Haven't looked into his romance enough, but I heard it's really really well-done.

[Jaron Oberyn]

that is what I agree with. For example, Iron Bull was almost completely about sex as part of his "romance" I actually found it a bit strange, especially since you only find out about the BDSM afterwards. Sera is very crude, strangely also quite romantic, but still. Those are the only ones I have seen, and from the looks of it, they focused a whole lot more on the sex than the romance. Personally I think the underwear kinda makes sense, but I agree that in ME3/even the previous ones, there was more of a sense of a relationship.

 

Look at the Cassandra, Josephine, and Cullen romances. Those are probably the best Bioware has written in any game. They're very natural, and it progresses through the story very well. It's more about the relationship than the sex scene, and there are a lot of subtleties that  are in there if you romance them or not. Particularly Cassandra's and Josephine's. Those two tops any of the ME3 romances, as good as those were in their time. 

[Aisabel]

Why does everyone have to judge the romance based on its sex scene? There's more to it than that, and this is the first game where they've managed to make it a realistic relationship throughout the game as opposed to previous games where its flirt mid game > sex scene before last fight. The romances in this game (at least cassandra and Josephine) are weaves throughout every aspect of the main story in addition to their unique content. I'm glad they took this approach as it feels more natural.

Thank you for this! I, myself, am asexual and see love as more than just the sex parts. I enjoyed romancing the Blackwall character for that reason alone, because it seemed like his was one of the most realistic relationships. I enjoyed the romance especially because there was more than just sex to it. Also- he kind of reminded me of my husband especially when he mentions

Spoiler

that his future aspirations are a house and a dog as well as the Inquisitor cooking eggs, but, that it didn't matter as long as he was by her side. My husband has been aspiring to have a house with a corgi and me by his side and got excited when we first started dating 7 years ago and I was getting a culinary degree- he mentioned wanting me to make him lots of scrambled eggs. =P

[Battlebloodmage]

Thank you for this! I, myself, am asexual and see love as more than just the sex parts. I enjoyed romancing the Blackwall character for that reason alone, because it seemed like his was one of the most realistic relationships. I enjoyed the romance especially because there was more than just sex to it. Also- he kind of reminded me of my husband especially when he mentions

Spoiler

that his future aspirations are a house and a dog as well as the Inquisitor cooking eggs, but, that it didn't matter as long as he was by her side. My husband has been aspiring to have a house with a corgi and me by his side and got excited when we first started dating 7 years ago and I was getting a culinary degree- he mentioned wanting me to make him lots of scrambled eggs. =P

Is your husband asexual as well? Off topic, just out of curiosity.

 

In a real relationship, no sex is a deal breaker for me, but that is a topic for another thread since I want to focus on the sex scene that we have and if they're satisfied with it or how we can make it better. If people are asexual or don't want sex then that's cool, too. This thread is more about discussing the sex aspect of what we do have and if it's romantic or passionate. I just find the sex scene wasn't as satisfying as ME3 even though they have nudity. The romance in itself is fine and different, but Iron Bull romance was pretty jokey while I can't get past Dorian's cliche coming out story. That's why I go with Cassandra instead. Her romance was very sweet and romantic, and the sex scene happens very naturally. I find her romance to be the best. 

[Battlebloodmage]

To get back to topic, how do people feel about Witcher sex scenes? Are they too much or would it be something people want for DA games as well?

[Hazegurl]

I agree that Dorian's romance is the typical "coming out" story or more like "not accepted" story since he was openly gay for a while. It does show how sexuality is treated among the nobility and helps flesh out the world. I can imagine that not many nobles would be happy with a gay son who has no desire to produce heirs. Tevinter seems very legacy driven.

 

I saw iron Bull's "romance" on youtube. Horrible. Glad others like it though.

 

I would have romanced Cassandra but she was too religious for me. She came across as too much of a devotee than a partner but I would like to see her scene since everyone who romanced her likes it. I saw Sera's and it was just as I expected it. She's so loopy. lol!

[Hanako Ikezawa]

To get back to topic, how do people feel about Witcher sex scenes? Are they too much or would it be something people want for DA games as well?

Which ones? The ones where you collected them as trading cards, the ones where the woman is nude and Geralt is dry humping them through his buttoned up pants, or the one with Triss in the elven bath? 

[Battlebloodmage]

Which ones? The ones where you collected them as trading cards, the ones where the woman is nude and Geralt is dry humping them through his buttoned up pants, or the one with Triss in the elven bath? 

Just talk about the nudity and sex and how much they show, except without the pants of course for the males. Try avoid trashing the other game since it could make the thread goes off-topic. 

[Aisabel]

I find it odd that asexuals would come into a thread about sex just to tell everyone that they don't care about the sex.

Because you were speaking about the romances as well. Asexuality is in a wide range from never having or wanting sex to simply not being interested in sex and having no sex drive, but, to have sex as a form of romance. I was simply trying to state that people never seem to see the romances in these games as nothing but sex and just wanted to discuss that I wanted to see friendship in a romance. 

[jellobell]

I find it odd that asexuals would come into a thread about sex just to tell everyone that they don't care about the sex.

Because it's an interesting perspective? Not everyone, asexual or not, particularly cares for sex scenes. 

[Aisabel]

Is your husband asexual as well? Off topic, just out of curiosity.

 

In a real relationship, no sex is a deal breaker for me, but that is a topic for another thread since I want to focus on the sex scene that we have and if they're satisfied with it or how we can make it better. If people are asexual or don't want sex then that's cool, too. This thread is more about discussing the sex aspect of what we do have and if it's romantic or passionate. I just find the sex scene wasn't as satisfying as ME3 even though they have nudity. The romance in itself is fine and different, but Iron Bull romance was pretty jokey while I can't get past Dorian's cliche coming out story. That's why I go with Cassandra instead. Her romance was very sweet and romantic, and the sex scene happens very naturally. I find her romance to be the best. 

Thank you for your respectfulness. My husband is asexual as well. We'd rather hang out, travel, cook, eat, play games, talk, relax, cuddle.. 

 

I, too, wanted more passion and romance in the scenes as well as friendship. I like the romances in the Bioware games, but, felt that sex was the main focus on most of them. 

[Aisabel]

Because it's an interesting perspective? Not everyone, asexual or not, particularly cares for sex scenes. 

Thank you for this! I made a whole post on the romances saying I wanted to see more talking and friendship and more options for romances. I like the romances because they're fun for my character- for me to "re-experience love for the first time". 

[Jaron Oberyn]

Thank you for this! I, myself, am asexual and see love as more than just the sex parts. I enjoyed romancing the Blackwall character for that reason alone, because it seemed like his was one of the most realistic relationships. I enjoyed the romance especially because there was more than just sex to it. Also- he kind of reminded me of my husband especially when he mentions

Spoiler

that his future aspirations are a house and a dog as well as the Inquisitor cooking eggs, but, that it didn't matter as long as he was by her side. My husband has been aspiring to have a house with a corgi and me by his side and got excited when we first started dating 7 years ago and I was getting a culinary degree- he mentioned wanting me to make him lots of scrambled eggs. =P

 

This is exactly what I mean. In real life love is more than just sex, which is nice to see reflected in a video game for once. Even though Cass had a sex scene for example, the majority of the romance was about the relationship between her and the inquisitor, and how she feared losing him. You get a sense as the game progresses that she genuinely cares for the character, which wasn't really properly shown with previous romances in previous games. It was very touching. 

 

To get back to topic, how do people feel about Witcher sex scenes? Are they too much or would it be something people want for DA games as well?

 

I don't remember if I said it in this thread, or another. But CDPR said themselves that they wanted to get away from TW1/2 sex centric romances that were hollow, and move toward actual relationships for TW3. It remains to be seen how well they execute it, but even they noticed the shallow approach of their previous games which left much to be desired. 

[Battlebloodmage]

I stated in the topic thread that we should discuss the sexual aspects of the game only because there are already many other threads to talk about romance and asexuality, so I want this thread to focus on the ones that have the sex scenes instead. How they feel they're being implemented and how they could be make better. I have nothing against asexuality, but I just want this thread to not go off-topic since it got locked the last time. I'm ok with talking about how the romance play out or how it leads to the sex scenes because I want it to be more about romance and sex rather than sexual orientation discussion or asexuality. Please understand that. 

[Aisabel]

I stated in the topic thread that we should discuss the sexual aspects of the game only because there are already many other threads to talk about romance and asexuality, so I want this thread to focus on the ones that have the sex scenes instead. How they feel they're being implemented and how they could be make better. I have nothing against asexuality, but I just want this thread to not go off-topic since it got locked the last time. I'm ok with talking about how the romance play out or how it leads to the sex scenes because I want it to be more about romance and sex rather than sexual orientation discussion or asexuality. Please understand that. 

Of course I wanted to simply discuss that the main focus for the relationships seems to be the sexuality. I feel they make the sex scenes the main importance and sometimes (such as the Iron Bull one) they can be awkward. I just wanted to state that I was more into the friendship of a relationship- something I felt needed to be change in the games. I wrote a huge topic post on how they need to have more dialogue and whatnot that leads up to the sex scenes. It just feels odd that after only a few talks your character just jumps into bed with whomever they flirted with. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Just talk about the nudity and sex and how much they show, except without the pants of course for the males. Try avoid trashing the other game since it could make the thread goes off-topic. 

I wasn't trying to trash. That is the three ways the series has handled sex scenes, so was curious which one you meant. 

 

But to answer your clarification, I don't see sex scenes as necessary, but if they must have them I think The Witcher goes too far with them with the dry humping, fake moaning, etc to the point they aren't mature or tasteful at all. I'd rather they do the sex scenes like they did Mass Effect 1 or Liara's in Mass Effect 3. 

[gottaloveme]

What I really dislike is coyness. Mods are far more risque but you choose to download or not. In ME the sex scene (at least femShep and Kaidan) had decently shot nudity and in ME3 the little touches, stroke of a cheek, finger across the lips were nicely done. If things keep going backwards they'll soon be sleeping with one foot touching the floor and kissing with their mouths closed.

 

To the point if you're going to have sex scenes then have them - sans underwear and don't be coy about. (But also don't be gross).

[karushna5]

I guess the question is what is a sex scene. Like in DA2 they talked maybe kissed and fade to black  to show in bed. That was a sex scene. I mean is it the culmination scene? Sera had like 2 scenes that implied sex(or just plain showed it), and I think Iron Bull had 3. Are we talking about The sex scene, the scene where you are locked in at? Or all scenes that have sex with a given character?

 

I guess before a conversation can be had I am curious whether people think there should be several, or just 1? I agree that at least 1 or 2 should not have a sex scene. It seems strange that unless they make it very very clear people are having sex the  assumption is they are not having it and is thus unrealistic.

 

As far as the sex scenes themselves, they never really show the act itself, not really. So all we really are getting is flirting, kissing, and maybe some slight forplay with the implication of sex. I think that is a good place to be, and I agree ME3 seemed to get it right. The implication, the romance, flirting, and then kissing. More sex often seems to equate in media as less romantic

 

If people really need nudity as proof their characters boinked, I think it should be in pillow talk scenes, it seems to make more sense there, uncovered chests and cuddling seem to get it done. But the idea if nudity is needed in the "sex scene" is I think up for debate. I still feel underwear and clothing are not silly at all in bed, even realistic. I mean people have sex everyday wearing a whole lot more than just underwear. So people just want to see nudity which IS something I get. Add it in an afterscene IMO. Or some romances have it more than others which is the experiment here I think. Then as always with romances it is the luck of the draw?

[Aisabel]

I guess the question is what is a sex scene. Like in DA2 they talked maybe kissed and fade to black  to show in bed. That was a sex scene. I mean is it the culmination scene? Sera had like 2 scenes that implied sex(or just plain showed it), and I think Iron Bull had 3. Are we talking about The sex scene, the scene where you are locked in at? Or all scenes that have sex with a given character?

 

I guess before a conversation can be had I am curious whether people think there should be several, or just 1? I agree that at least 1 or 2 should not have a sex scene. It seems strange that unless they make it very very clear people are having sex the  assumption is they are not having it and is thus unrealistic.

 

As far as the sex scenes themselves, they never really show the act itself, not really. So all we really are getting is flirting, kissing, and maybe some slight forplay with the implication of sex. I think that is a good place to be, and I agree ME3 seemed to get it right. The implication, the romance, flirting, and then kissing. More sex often seems to equate in media as less romantic

 

If people really need nudity as proof their characters boinked, I think it should be in pillow talk scenes, it seems to make more sense there, uncovered chests and cuddling seem to get it done. But the idea if nudity is needed in the "sex scene" is I think up for debate. I still feel underwear and clothing are not silly at all in bed, even realistic. I mean people have sex everyday wearing a whole lot more than just underwear. So people just want to see nudity which IS something I get. Add it in an afterscene IMO. Or some romances have it more than others which is the experiment here I think. Then as always with romances it is the luck of the draw?

Kind of like how, in Baldur's Gate 2, your characters flirted and made it known they were going to do the deed and then it cut to a camp scene of a tent and a fire and that was that. I think, like you were saying, the flirts and the little things like that are what I was trying to point out- to make me really get into the romances of the games I want to believe they're in love- not just flirting once and then they're in bed.

[jellobell]

What I really dislike is coyness. Mods are far more risque but you choose to download or not. In ME the sex scene (at least femShep and Kaidan) had decently shot nudity and in ME3 the little touches, stroke of a cheek, finger across the lips were nicely done. If things keep going backwards they'll soon be sleeping with one foot touching the floor and kissing with their mouths closed.

Solas's is the only romance I've seen in full, but just based off his you can see how far Bioware has come, in the facial expressions and body language especially. They can say so much with so little now. If you can imply intimacy rather than resorting to an outright sex scene or a fade to black, then that allows for a lot more subtlety. The way the characters look at each other, the way they hold each other. All of that implies an affection and depth of feeling that is, imo, way more effective than Mass Effect 1's tasteful but cookie-cutter sex scenes, or DAO's...whatever those were. Sex is not the only way to show that you care for someone. And certain romances are more focused on sex, but not all of them. It depends on the tone of the romance.

[Aisabel]

Solas's is the only romance I've seen in full, but just based off his you can see how far Bioware has come, in the facial expressions and body language especially. They can say so much with so little now. If you can imply intimacy rather than resorting to an outright sex scene or a fade to black, then that allows for a lot more subtlety. The way the characters look at each other, the way they hold each other. All of that implies an affection and depth of feeling that is, imo, way more effective than Mass Effect's tasteful but cookie-cutter sex scenes, or DAO's...whatever those were. Sex is not the only way to show that you care for someone. And certain romances are more focused on sex, but not all of them. It depends on the tone of the romance.

Could not have said it better myself. Exactly what I was trying to say.

[gottaloveme]

I enjoyed Dorian's scene but so far that is the only one I have seen. He does have a really nice butt. However, No Dragon Age sex scene has compared to ME's. They prove that you can put together a tasteful sex scene. I personally love the more intimate contact between the couples.  If done right it can convey quite a bit about how the two interact on a different level than how they simply speak to each other. From Kaidan and Shepard's scene, they come across as a playful couple, Liara and Shepard as more romantic, and Miranda and Shepard as sexually charged. None is better than the other, they just each have their own personality in the way they move together. Body language during sex is actually very interesting.  No one is judging the romance solely on the sex or lack thereof, yes there are other factors. But sex is another layer to flesh out the romance.

 

I don't even like Liara but hot damn!

 

 

And let's not leave out Kaidan and Shepard

 

 

And for the sheer heck of it. Miranda and Shepard. *Vid won't show up*

https://www.youtube....h?v=xijbArxskqc

 

This was what I was saying