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[karushna5]

Ah, so that's what it's all about. Following some poster around to keep the fight going. Okay I'll ignore the arguments then. lol!

 

I'll just try to say on topic until the thread is locked.

 

Witcher...I admit I didn't like Witcher so I didn't play it much. I did see the sex scene in the bath.

 

I don't really know the context behind the scene but the Witcher protag looks like a hardened man (not sexuality...lol!) and those are rough times. I actually think the sex scene, while graphic does depict the nature of his character.  If we think about sex back in those times, not many were even about romance but either procreation and/or pleasure. I would think that since nobody lived that long they wouldn't be sitting around trying to bring flowers and have some sort of long slow courtship. But then again, that's only what I get out of watching the scene and from the little bit about the game I played.

 

Not true, lots of stories much older then then about romance and even then songs and plays about love were common. Intense love stories were often told. Love always exists, it is often a myth that we think the further back in time we go the less capable of emotion the people who lived then.

 

I will say it fits Geralt, but all the more reason that it would not fit a PC character who has to be a vessel for the player. Those scenes really seem to fit only with a set main character

[CosmicGnosis]

Well, as weird as this might sound, I'm a champion for nudity. I think shame of the human body is one of the most loathsome and asinine inventions of humanity. I hate it. I actually consider it to be somewhat anti-human and self-hating. Therefore, I support attempts to normalize nudity and sex, even in video games. I'm glad that BioWare has finally decided to have more explicit sex scenes. The acts of love and creation with the physical human form should be celebrated more than the acts that destroy it (violence, killing, etc.)

[Hazegurl]

 

 

That isn't what it is about at all. This thread is about people's opinions on sex scenes. People can come in here saying they are fine as is or need to be toned down or not there just as much as people can come in and say they need to be better. Otherwise it isn't a discussion since only one side is getting to speak. 

 

The thread isn't about whether you want them or not. But anyway. It seems I got it right before, that it's about validating your preferences and your belief that more sex scenes equals less asexual romances. That is not the truth. They can still have asexual romances. But when they are going to show sex in a romance and not one you must head canon then they should at least not hold back to appeal to sensibilities. The romances are optional and if a player thinks the sex was too graphic et al then don't romance that person and unlock the content or...add an option to keep the romance without unlocking the sex. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The thread isn't about whether you want them or not. But anyway. It seems I got it right before, that it's about validating your preferences and your belief that more sex scenes equals less asexual romances. That is not the truth. They can still have asexual romances. But when they are going to show sex in a romance and not one you must head canon then they should at least not hold back to appeal to sensibilities. The romances are optional and if a player thinks the sex was too graphic et al then don't romance that person and unlock the content or...add an option to keep the romance without unlocking the sex. 

The OP asks people's opinions on sex scenes. So why are people who don't like them not allowed to post?

As for the asexual thing, asexuals aren't the only people who don't immediately have sex with someone. 

[Atvar88]

The thread isn't about whether you want them or not. But anyway. It seems I got it right before, that it's about validating your preferences and your belief that more sex scenes equals less asexual romances. That is not the truth. They can still have asexual romances. But when they are going to show sex in a romance and not one you must head canon then they should at least not hold back to appeal to sensibilities. The romances are optional and if a player thinks the sex was too graphic et al then don't romance that person and unlock the content or...add an option to keep the romance without unlocking the sex. 

Generally a Lurker, I've refrained until now to make a post.

I think, @Hazegurl, that you're missing the point of Aisabel's post. It has nothing to do w/ being Asexual (whether it's the case or not.) and more to do with substance. 

My opinion? Sex scenes in video games? Heck yes. Meaningless sex scenes? Where it makes sense (like GTAV): Heck yes.
In games where you have followers, cohorts, friends, or other relationships with characters, there should be a more interactive and romantic courting system to give the relationship more substance. I haven't seen anything from Aisabel's posts that suggest that they are AGAINST sex being included in video games, just that they believe that there should be more to it than simply pointing one's genitals in an NPC's general direction to make sex happen.

I think that it would be great if they would give the NPC's more depth and include an actual courting mechanic. It could be that some of them are "easier" than others (I think that this, and their likes/dislikes should shift between replays to keep things a bit more fresh.) and will put out with less effort... but others may be far more "hard to get" and would require more work to court.

[Birdy]

Hehe, Wonder how long after modders crack the game that sex scenes for companions that don't pop up.  XD

[karushna5]

Well, as weird as this might sound, I'm a champion for nudity. I think shame of the human body is one of the most loathsome and asinine inventions of humanity. I hate it. I actually consider it to be somewhat anti-human and self-hating. Therefore, I support attempts to normalize nudity and sex, even in video games. I'm glad that BioWare has finally decided to have more explicit sex scenes. The acts of love and creation with the physical human form should be celebrated more than the acts that destroy it (violence, killing, etc.)

 

This has always been a thing for me. There is a difference between anti-human shaming, and a notion of privacy and the sacred (not in a religious sense).  I think some nudity should certainly exist in these scenes because fans love them. I mean it is as easy as that, and the fact we can avoid those scenes if we want with some of the characters is pretty awesome this go around. I feel like that covers the debate well. 

 

As far as ones that do exist? I think flirting and a bit of tantalizing is the key. Up play the romance, the flirting and most of all the intimacy, and during the nudity make it brief and part of the intimacy and just enough. Okay people like to talk about butts, but giveing it a brief bare shot while they move to kiss you good morning does a whole lot more than just showing it and impling they want to do it.

 

I think sex scenes work better in the context of intimacy. Shown, but it isn't the focus. Is that what you were thinking BattleMage?

[Birdy]

In DA:I it really depends on who you romance. Sera's and Iron Bull's are funny and lighthearted. Blackwall's is angsty. Cullen's and Cassandra's are fluffy and adorable. Josephine's is adorable and romantic. And Solas's is romantic and passionate. The romance scenes accomplish different things and set different moods, which fit the personalities of the characters involved.

 

If you want passionate then I'd say go for Solas or Blackwall (depending on how much you like a tortured soul. Solas's is probably the sweeter of the two).

 

EDIT: Whoops, forgot Dorian. Haven't looked into his romance enough, but I heard it's really really well-done.

 

Lol. Sweeter.  Solas is a heartbreaker full of angst towards the end.  XD

[jellobell]

The thread isn't about whether you want them or not. But anyway. It seems I got it right before, that it's about validating your preferences and your belief that more sex scenes equals less asexual romances. That is not the truth. They can still have asexual romances. But when they are going to show sex in a romance and not one you must head canon then they should at least not hold back to appeal to sensibilities. The romances are optional and if a player thinks the sex was too graphic et al then don't romance that person and unlock the content or...add an option to keep the romance without unlocking the sex. 

This thread is ostensibly about people's feelings about Inquisition's sex scenes (or lack thereof) in comparison with the other games. Expressing that you actually enjoyed that some of the romances didn't have a scene that either fades to black or shows the characters having sex is a legitimate opinion, and is not passing judgement on someone who does enjoy sex being an explicit part of a romantic subplot.

 

I am not asexual, and I don't dislike sex scenes at all. However, I do dislike the tendency for people to only believe a Bioware romance is legitimate if it has a scene where the two characters have sex. Not because I don't want sex in my romance but because that's a really limiting way to think. Do all romantic subplots in movies need to have a scene where the characters are implied to have sex? Of course not, that would be silly. If it happens it happens to aid the narrative, not to tick an imaginary box on an imaginary romance checklist.

 

And Bioware is working with limited resources here. Putting one scene in means you need to cut another. Personally, I think showing a passionate kiss in the Fade is more in keeping with Solas's character than him showing up in the Inquisitor's quarters. Now, that's not to say he doesn't show up in the Inquisitor's quarters over the course of their relationship, but if you're only able to show one of those then I'd rather see the one with the most narrative impact.

[jellobell]

Lol. Sweeter.  Solas is a heartbreaker full of angst towards the end.  XD

Well yeah, but up until that point he's a cuddly sweetheart.

[Birdy]

Well yeah, but up until that point he's a cuddly sweetheart.

I suppose. 

[karushna5]

I think having the option in most of the romances to see the sex scene or not pretty much addresses the issue entirely. We agree this should be in most. Some sex heavy romances (like Bulls) wont. And some that are entirely romance centric (like Josephines) wont. I think the debate was truly solved with this game. I think the OP is addressing about the sex scenes that you can choose to have since most people who don't want them (and I have to admit 9 times out of 10 I don't) will skip them.

 

So he is asking the people who will choose to have them. Saying that some don't I think is already covered.

 

But my first question is can it be a sex scene with no nudity. If not, I would bow out. I don't mind implied sex or brief shows of nudity in a intimate setting. But if a sex scene must have full nudity to count I can recognize it isn't for me and take advantage of the heart option that doesn't lead to a sex scene that they have so kindly offered.

[Hazegurl]

This thread is ostensibly about people's feelings about Inquisition's sex scenes (or lack thereof) in comparison with the other games. Expressing that you actually enjoyed that some of the romances didn't have a scene that either fades to black or shows the characters having sex is a legitimate opinion, and is not passing judgement on someone who does enjoy sex being an explicit part of a romantic subplot.

 

I am not asexual, and I don't dislike sex scenes at all. However, I do dislike the tendency for people to only believe a Bioware romance is legitimate if it has a scene where the two characters have sex. Not because I don't want sex in my romance but because that's a really limiting way to think. Do all romantic subplots in movies need to have a scene where the characters are implied to have sex? Of course not, that would be silly. If it happens it happens to aid the narrative, not to tick an imaginary box on an imaginary romance checklist.

 

And Bioware is working with limited resources here. Putting one scene in means you need to cut another. Personally, I think showing a passionate kiss in the Fade is more in keeping with Solas's character than him showing up in the Inquisitor's quarters. Now, that's not to say he doesn't show up in the Inquisitor's quarters over the course of their relationship, but if you're only able to show one of those then I'd rather see the one with the most narrative impact.

Interpret the OP however you like. I won't bring it up anymore.

 

I don't recall anyone stating that the lack of sex makes the romance illegitimate but that sex adds to the romance and the lack of sex disconnects them. My opinion is that if I'm gonna get a sex scene then give it to me. Even if it's a little more before a fade to black. Like I said I love Kaidan and MShepard's scene. I've waited two whole games to see them together, if they had given me a simple kiss before a fade to black I would have been pissed! lol! What I don't like is the implication (not by you but others) that a sex scene is automatically added for the lulz or have no relevance to the plot based solely on it's existence and nothing more.   That's no more true than claiming that no sex ruins the romance. It's just a matter of what you want, sex or no sex. One is only better or worse based on opinion.

 

As for resources. Honestly I think BW could have cut those stupid side quests in half and used that to give us more romantic content and companion content in general. I barely connected with most of my companions.

 

@Karushna5, I don't think we need nudity, Kaidan and MShepard's weren't and I still loved it and thought it was well done. But, I did enjoyed Dorian's aftersex butt.   However, I do think the underwear during some of the ME scenes looked ridiculous. Traynor taking a shower in her bra???   If they are gonna had a shower scene then yeah nudity makes a lot of since.

 

[ButchHardPec]

Everyone's mad disgusted my Inquisitor hooked up with Sera.

 

The sex scene was good (mostly just laughing at my Inquisitor)—they didn't look wholly like muppets stumbling into the conception of human beings having naked sex (Mass Effect was, yet again, traumatizing.)

 

Thinking about riding the bull.

[Soulscythe81]

Well, as weird as this might sound, I'm a champion for nudity. I think shame of the human body is one of the most loathsome and asinine inventions of humanity. I hate it. I actually consider it to be somewhat anti-human and self-hating. Therefore, I support attempts to normalize nudity and sex, even in video games. I'm glad that BioWare has finally decided to have more explicit sex scenes. The acts of love and creation with the physical human form should be celebrated more than the acts that destroy it (violence, killing, etc.)

Bioware did a good step forward in the right direction with DA:I's scenes. We already have sex scenes in a lot of movies and series, which is a common thing already. Hell, there are breasts and penises all over the place in Game of Thrones and almost no one cares, because it's natural and fitting the times the series take place in. It's meant for a mature audience after all.

 

The only love scene I've seen yet is the one with Dorian and it's great in my opinion. Now they should go from there and combine the caressing, holding each other scenes from DA:O with the more mature approach from DA:I's nudity. That would be perfect in my opinion. The camera angles shouldn't show anything explicit of course, but a bit more from the actual love act, like how they are lying next to each other kissing or like I said, holding each other, giving passionate looks etc. At the moment we got standing there fully clothed, then fade to black and everyone is naked, because it's already over. As much as I hated the underwear in DA:O, I still like how they showed us a sequence of love scenes with the special music theme playing in the background.

 

By the way, does any of the other love scenes show a penis or glimpses of it? Of course, it's not allowed to show erect penises, but a flaccid one shouldn't be a problem these days. The camera angles in the Dorian scene always cover them or the camera turns away before you get to see something. From what I've seen, I assume the character models don't even have a penis modeled on them right now. Like Ken, from Barbie and Ken.

[Kierro Ren]

Simple, "Sex sales" has since the '30s and earlier. Now stop freaking out and going "EW a t!ts or EW a bare ass." -_-' I'd hate to hear about people's irl sex life.

 

Woman - "Honey, lets DO it *pops blouse open*"

 

Man - "I don't know, I...OH GOD!! *covers eyes*

[jellobell]

 

Interpret the OP however you like. I won't bring it up anymore.

 

I don't recall anyone stating that the lack of sex makes the romance illegitimate but that sex adds to the romance and the lack of sex disconnects them. My opinion is that if I'm gonna get a sex scene then give it to me. Even if it's a little more before a fade to black. Like I said I love Kaidan and MShepard's scene. I've waited two whole games to see them together, if they had given me a simple kiss before a fade to black I would have been pissed! lol! What I don't like is the implication (not by you but others) that a sex scene is automatically added for the lulz or have no relevance to the plot based solely on it's existence and nothing more.   That's no more true than claiming that no sex ruins the romance. It's just a matter of what you want, sex or no sex. One is only better or worse based on opinion.

Well there was a whole thread about whether Josie's counted as a "real" romance, where people were saying that the lack of a sex scene meant they just wouldn't bother. It's an opinion that's come up a lot and has been for a long time.

 

I do think that all of the sex scenes in Inquisition are tastefully done and are included with purpose, which is good. And I don't begrudge someone wishing for a sex scene between their Inquisitor and their LI. However I'm annoyed at how often the lack of sex is attributed to "prudishness" or censorship or feminism or what have you. Sex does not need to be explicitly included in a romance to make it legitimate or affecting. The feelings can very obviously be there despite not having a sex scene. And the lack of a sex scene does not imply a lack of feeling or a distance between the two characters. It doesn't even necessarily imply a lack of sex! Bioware got the body language so right in this game that a simple, tender touch on the cheek contains more emotion than all of the DAO sex scenes put together.

[Battlebloodmage]

To be fair, the person who made this thread is a person who went around saying the romances without sex scenes aren't real romances. So validating the preference to not have it is understandable. Especially since to have more sex scenes means there will be less characters without them.

Can you find a quote of me saying that? I would appreciate it if you don't accusing people of stuffs they don't say.

[ButchHardPec]

Well there was a whole thread about whether Josie's counted as a "real" romance, where people were saying that the lack of a sex scene meant they just wouldn't bother. It's an opinion that's come up a lot and has been for a long time.

 

I do think that all of the sex scenes in Inquisition are tastefully done and are included with purpose, which is good. And I don't begrudge someone wishing for a sex scene between their Inquisitor and their LI. However I'm annoyed at how often the lack of sex is attributed to "prudishness" or censorship or feminism or what have you. Sex does not need to be explicitly included in a romance to make it legitimate or affecting. The feelings can very obviously be there despite not having a sex scene. And the lack of a sex scene does not imply a lack of feeling or a distance between the two characters. It doesn't even necessarily imply a lack of sex! Bioware got the body language so right in this game that a simple, tender touch on the cheek contains more emotion than all of the DAO sex scenes put together.

Agree that many opinions on this will come from randos and pervs (The idea of 'the sex scene' as a completion or 'reward' for advancing a romantic narrative is a little wrong-headed, and undoes the tastefulness Bioware has tried to achieve here.), but videogames definitely are starved for representations of human ( not male-centric) sex.

 

Wolfenstein, a videogame about shooting Nazi's, was hilariously praised by some websites for having a rich sex scene. Which is super-duper sad in some sense.

[gottaloveme]

Hows about Bioware giving free dlc with more sex and nudity for those who want it? Sound fair?

[Hazegurl]

Ah yeah, the Josie thread. I admit to being one of the folks who said I wouldn't bother. I meant it. I enjoyed Josie's company and even flirted with her. She was number one on my romance list with Cassandra as number two. I flirted with her and talked to her more than I did Cassandra. Yet she came across as too reserved and closed off. So did Cassandra but with Cass I saw peeks of something more. Josie, not so much. I still enjoyed talking to Josie but after a while I stop clicking flirt options. She came across as too arms length. By the time I spoke to her on the balcony I had friendzoned her. It was still a lovely scene but she was a friend not a lover. Cassandra turned me off with her religion and by then Dorian was taking up my time. Hearing the rest of Josie's romance from others made me glad I followed my instincts to keep her as a friend.  I doubt continuing further with her would have made me feel any different than my initial thoughts. 

[Battlebloodmage]

Bioware did a good step forward in the right direction with DA:I's scenes. We already have sex scenes in a lot of movies and series, which is a common thing already. Hell, there are breasts and penises all over the place in Game of Thrones and almost no one cares, because it's natural and fitting the times the series take place in. It's meant for a mature audience after all.

 

The only love scene I've seen yet is the one with Dorian and it's great in my opinion. Now they should go from there and combine the caressing, holding each other scenes from DA:O with the more mature approach from DA:I's nudity. That would be perfect in my opinion. The camera angles shouldn't show anything explicit of course, but a bit more from the actual love act, like how they are lying next to each other kissing or like I said, holding each other, giving passionate looks etc. At the moment we got standing there fully clothed, then fade to black and everyone is naked, because it's already over. As much as I hated the underwear in DA:O, I still like how they showed us a sequence of love scenes with the special music theme playing in the background.

 

By the way, does any of the other love scenes show a penis or glimpses of it? Of course, it's not allowed to show erect penises, but a flaccid one shouldn't be a problem these days. The camera angles in the Dorian scene always cover them or the camera turns away before you get to see something. From what I've seen, I assume the character models don't even have a penis modeled on them right now. Like Ken, from Barbie and Ken.

I think it's a great compromise, showing the kissing and hugging. I don't need to see anything beyond that. It's just the sense of closeness between two person like with Kaidan and MaleShep was my top favorite scene since it shows a connection and passion between those two. There is also an aftermath of after they wake up. It's basically what you describe, and that what I was hoping to see in DAI.

[Battlebloodmage]

This has always been a thing for me. There is a difference between anti-human shaming, and a notion of privacy and the sacred (not in a religious sense).  I think some nudity should certainly exist in these scenes because fans love them. I mean it is as easy as that, and the fact we can avoid those scenes if we want with some of the characters is pretty awesome this go around. I feel like that covers the debate well. 

 

As far as ones that do exist? I think flirting and a bit of tantalizing is the key. Up play the romance, the flirting and most of all the intimacy, and during the nudity make it brief and part of the intimacy and just enough. Okay people like to talk about butts, but giveing it a brief bare shot while they move to kiss you good morning does a whole lot more than just showing it and impling they want to do it.

 

I think sex scenes work better in the context of intimacy. Shown, but it isn't the focus. Is that what you were thinking BattleMage?

I think this is what I have in mind. I'm very much a snuggle and hug kind of person, maybe also with a kiss here and there in the scene. I don't need to actually see penetration, but just the closeness of the scene that needs to be conveyed. Even with nudity, I still find ME3 to be better because they convey the emotions during the sex scene a whole lot better than what I feel like DAI did.

[myahele]

Maybe to satisfy both parties they can give us an option to see love scenes or skip them straight to aftermath dialogue.