Point of order: isn't the reason Cassandra poached him for you because of his part in that? As for Cullen falling off the wagon my understanding of the quest is that he'll try to Cold Turkey despite what it's doing to him unless you tell him not to.
I find it more amusing not to help him and simply watch the show.
Well, in the event Anders lives, Sebastian invades Kirkwall and Aveline is leading the resistance against him.
Josephine wants to bow out of the conflict and let them duke it out, Leliana wants to support Sebastian and Cullen wants to support Aveline because he doesn't want Sebastian to punish people who may be associated with Anders and not even responsible for his actions.
Hawke: While what I said just now is true, I was also working for a former raider who hired me to seize his cargo of poison that was being lawfully held in the dock at the favor of a pirate. Oh and don't mind the fact that I went against the guard's and magistrate's orders and killed a man without a trial because of how he treats elves.
The ones holding the cargo are Ianto's raiders; it's definitely not in anyone's lawful possession. And that one other guy was not only someone who was begging to be killed, but arresting him would only serve the corrupt parts of law enforcement.
Well, in the event Anders lives, Sebastian invades Kirkwall and Aveline is leading the resistance against him.
Josephine wants to bow out of the conflict and let them duke it out, Leliana wants to support Sebastian and Cullen wants to support Aveline because he doesn't want Sebastian to punish people who may be associated with Anders and not even responsible for his actions.
Strictly speaking, Leliana is trying to trick Sebastian into a position where he won't be able to take Kirkwall itself.
The ones holding the cargo are Ianto's raiders; it's definitely not in anyone's lawful possession. And that one other guy was not only someone who was begging to be killed, but arresting him would only serve the corrupt parts of law enforcement.
*shrug* fair enough but my point still remains standing in that Hawke broke the law to get in and steal the cargo.
And no matter where you stand on mages and templars, and I know where you stand, sneaking into the Gallows to investigate and eventually kill Alrik, while the guy was a scumbag who deserved it, was also illegal and an act of murder.
Hawke is more akin to a vigilante who breaks the law in favor of order (depending on the quest) or simply breaks the law unless he's working with the Viscount's or Aveline's permission.
I mean, killing Lord Herriman (if you go that route in the quest) is essentially being paid to commit a murder on a noble in Act 1.
The ones holding the cargo are Ianto's raiders; it's definitely not in anyone's lawful possession. And that one other guy was not only someone who was begging to be killed, but arresting him would only serve the corrupt parts of law enforcement.
You can by poison anywhere in kirkwall. No law is ageist it.
You can by poison anywhere in kirkwall. No law is ageist it.
Stealing entire crates of it, however is.
Stealing entire crates of it, however is.
Hawke: We were just stealing back what was stole in the first place. And we gave it back to the original owner, too. We're basically the Gray Wolf of Kirkwall.(Who ever the beautiful person the real Gray Wolf is.
Fem Warden Tabris greatly Approves
Hawke: We were just stealing back what was stole in the first place. And we gave it back to the original owner, too. We're basically the Gray Wolf of Kirkwall.(Who ever the beautiful person the real Gray Wolf is.
Fem Warden Tabris greatly Approves
Male Warden Brosca: *thumbs up* Now, where' my cut Slim Cauldry.
EDIT: Amell: Working with the crows is justified because I'm a protagonist. 
Well, in the event Anders lives, Sebastian invades Kirkwall and Aveline is leading the resistance against him.
Josephine wants to bow out of the conflict and let them duke it out, Leliana wants to support Sebastian and Cullen wants to support Aveline because he doesn't want Sebastian to punish people who may be associated with Anders and not even responsible for his actions.
I'd understood Leiliana's plan as one of sabotaging Sebastian in such a way as causes him to think he owes you his thanks by strengthening him in a way that requires Kirkwall to fight him more intelligently, rather than as one of actually helping Sebastian.
Edit: Should maybe have read Xilizhra's post before posting.
I'd understood Leiliana's plan as one of sabotaging Sebastian in such a way as causes him to think he owes you his thanks by strengthening him in a way that requires Kirkwall to fight him more intelligently, rather than as one of actually helping Sebastian.
Edit: Should maybe have read Xilizhra's post before posting.
Ah, well I probably misread it then.
I had Cullen do that quest.
His "No. This is ridiculous" is because that bard is playing silly games with someone she's had "issues" with, and she wants you to play them with her--and he has no truck with that (and it's true, she IS).
As I've previously noted, that other bard is badmouthing the Inquisition. Cullen's response is understandable, but the wiki says you get no reward for it, and I can understand why.
As I've previously noted, that other bard is badmouthing the Inquisition. Cullen's response is understandable, but the wiki says you get no reward for it, and I can understand why.
Ruining or mutilating someone over our own pride isn't any better. For my part, I realize we are forced to play the "Game" to an extent, but I don't want to gleefully wallow in that cesspit like every other power-grabbing sh*twit with a grotesquely overblown ego and no care for anyone else. The dangers of corruption are a frequent theme in this story, one that my Inquisitor is very much aware of, and doing this sort of thing is one of the quickest ways to fall into that trap and become no better than any other sadistic tyrant or once-noble-but-now-wholly-selfish cause. Likewise the early mission with the refugees. The mere notion of turning the Inquisition's power against people who had already lost everything made me wonder if both Leliana and Josephine are really that despicable and callous, or if the war table missions pidgeonhole the advisors to the point of breaking character at times.
She only mess up once and that's because she can't be every where at once or hear everything that's going on in kirkwall. She's not terrible.
Ruining or mutilating someone over our own pride isn't any better. For my part, I realize we are forced to play the "Game" to an extent, but I don't want to gleefully wallow in that cesspit like every other power-grabbing sh*twit with a grotesquely overblown ego and no care for anyone else. The dangers of corruption are a frequent theme in this story, one that my Inquisitor is very much aware of, and doing this sort of thing is one of the quickest ways to fall into that trap and become no better than any other sadistic tyrant or once-noble-but-now-wholly-selfish cause. Likewise the early mission with the refugees. The mere notion of turning the Inquisition's power against people who had already lost everything made me wonder if both Leliana and Josephine are really that despicable and callous, or if the war table missions pidgeonhole the advisors to the point of breaking character at times.
Well, I've been trying to stop just short of saying one should take Josephine's option of ruining that bard, if that's what this is talking about. Since it's not entirely clear (at least to me) that that's the case given how much the bard will suffer. All I'm saying is that the PR problem is a factor in this, and that I think some people aren't acknowledging that.
For that matter, I don't think Lady_Artifice has explicitly come down in favor of any particular solution.
It's about the bard, yes, but IMO if PR is a greater worry than abuse, one has already set at least one foot on the slippery slope to corruption. You could say that bard is asking for it, reaping what she's sown, etc. etc. but again, I want my Inquisition to be better than just any other self-serving powermonger. As much as I disagree with Solas on some issues, I vaguely remember him making a very good point about organizations that turn more towards protecting themselves instead of serving their original cause. And if PR does becomes a real issue due to baseless rumors, I'd rather correct the problem by providing a positive counterpoint to the "Game's" casual everyday atrocities. Saying "No. This is ridiculous" and going on with the little matter of saving the world should mean more to the people who actually matter than letting every hopped-up yokel's petty lies drag me that much closer to becoming what I'm supposed to fight: a might-makes-right-cower-at-my-feet-and-worship-me-OR-ELSE abomination.
The more power the Inquisition gathers, the more carefully it has to be used -- and those who wield it need to question themselves and what they do ever more harshly instead of letting it all get to their heads. (Yes, my Inquisitor's gravestone in the Nightmare's lair would have "corruption" written on it in big bold letters. )
I'm not even sure the Maryden mission should be taken that seriously tbh. The fact alone that Maryden feels compelled to tell us that the other bard used to pull her hair speaks volumes
Personally, I almost always tried to avoid Cullen on war table missions, unless if I checked beforehand on wiki that it was the best option. Which doesn't happen often. So I used him primarily to pick up flowers and rocks, which he does nicely.
Surely, he's always the one having the most free time on my war table, while Josie is always up on a mission and almost never available, sweet busy bee!
I think all advisors have quite equally some ridiculous proposes, some overreacting proposes and some proposes that don't feel like they fit to situation and finally some proposes that fail if you choose them. I think that's how the work table is designed so there is some challenge and role-playing opportunities to the player as well.
There are some occasions where Cullen's choices are excellent. For example - improving morale for soldiers in the Approach.
Josephine recommends sending books - maybe it's just me, but that seems out of touch. Especially if many soldiers are uneducated commoners.
Leliana recommends good shoes - stops them getting blisters etc so that's good, but doesn't leave you happy.
Cullen recommends good food - perfect! It's practical becuase it nourishes and gives them energy, but also provides something to look forward to at the end of the day.
Cullen is also the reason Sutherland gets started as a company leader. The Inquisition does have a lot of soldiers in it, so sometimes he makes a good choice.
She can't figure out corruption in her own ranks in Act II which leads to a diplomatic disaster. She then fails to investigate and coddles two rapists, leading to a second diplomatic incident. She fails to catch a serial killer, though she does ask her best buddy to help investigate. In Act III she misses on another two conspiracies. We never actually see her do anything right.
Have ever been a Catian of a station of a city to say it's so easy? It's far from not. First of all people need to point it out and talk about it. If to guard partners cover it up and no one on the streets talk about it, how would she know? The only way she would know about it is if she has her own spy network watching over the guards to see it happen. What happen to her with Kirkwall corruption with some of it's guards are the same issues police districts face to day. And about that serial killer, everyone including Hawke fail the catch the serial killer, that also far from her fault as well. It's more of the fault of Orsino and Meredith then anything else.
There are some occasions where Cullen's choices are excellent. For example - improving morale for soldiers in the Approach.
Josephine recommends sending books - maybe it's just me, but that seems out of touch. Especially if many soldiers are uneducated commoners.
Leliana recommends good shoes - stops them getting blisters etc so that's good, but doesn't leave you happy.
Cullen recommends good food - perfect! It's practical becuase it nourishes and gives them energy, but also provides something to look forward to at the end of the day.
Cullen is also the reason Sutherland gets started as a company leader. The Inquisition does have a lot of soldiers in it, so sometimes he makes a good choice.
Also, the quest after the dalish learn the truth about what happened in the dales. He got the point of it while the other two wanted to manipulate the action.
I'm not even sure the Maryden mission should be taken that seriously tbh. The fact alone that Maryden feels compelled to tell us that the other bard used to pull her hair speaks volumes
As does the fact that ignoring it results in no influence and punishing the bard Maryden says is telling lies results in 30.
It's about the bard, yes, but IMO if PR is a greater worry than abuse, one has already set at least one foot on the slippery slope to corruption. You could say that bard is asking for it, reaping what she's sown, etc. etc. but again, I want my Inquisition to be better than just any other self-serving powermonger. As much as I disagree with Solas on some issues, I vaguely remember him making a very good point about organizations that turn more towards protecting themselves instead of serving their original cause. And if PR does becomes a real issue due to baseless rumors, I'd rather correct the problem by providing a positive counterpoint to the "Game's" casual everyday atrocities. Saying "No. This is ridiculous" and going on with the little matter of saving the world should mean more to the people who actually matter than letting every hopped-up yokel's petty lies drag me that much closer to becoming what I'm supposed to fight: a might-makes-right-cower-at-my-feet-and-worship-me-OR-ELSE abomination.
The more power the Inquisition gathers, the more carefully it has to be used -- and those who wield it need to question themselves and what they do ever more harshly instead of letting it all get to their heads. (Yes, my Inquisitor's gravestone in the Nightmare's lair would have "corruption" written on it in big bold letters.
Look, I'm not saying the end justifies the means. I'm just saying that you have to keep the end in mind. I'm not even saying that it should be what makes up your mind instead of mercy to someone who (from all we can tell) is relatively innocent.
And about that serial killer, everyone including Hawke fail the catch the serial killer, that also far from her fault as well. It's more of the fault of Orsino and Meredith then anything else.
Now that doesn't really absolve Aveline. Especially since she knew of one area the serial killer had been using and apparently failed to adequately search it or set up a stakeout. Hawke knew about it too, but even if Hawke could be expected to act as a trained professional (he/she arguably can't) that wouldn't mean that Aveline not thinking about it wasn't an indicator of incompetence.
About the Serial Killer. I think, if she accompanied Hawke to find the bones in Act 1 and fought the shades and demons with him, she knows there's magic at work.
We can tell Emerick this same information.
Now, Aveline isn't Guard Captain in act 1, but she did know about it, and she would've seen someone flee the scene right before we fight demons. And since we pass the report to Emerick who says he's taking it to his superiors, we can assume Meredith knows as well.
What we find is three years later that Aveline and Meredith both have dismissed the case and the evidence and Emerick forbidden from continuing his investigation.
In this regard, I'd say both Aveline and the Templars showed a huge case of incompetency.
I have to ask. Aside from the writers and Gaider and such. What stops my Inquisitor from booting Cullen to the curb? Not like my Advisers can overrule me can they?
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